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[suliabryon]

Unfortunately, I can't confirm that it's the ultra ultimate definite no-take-backsies release date, although I'd be ridiculously surprised if it slipped again. Take that for what it's worth.

Some of us may have our holidays impacted too, if it's any consolation.


As for the thread in general, I admit I am a bit confused. I realize it may not be the same people saying the previous complaints, but with all the assertions that EA (and by extension BioWare) isn't concerned about quality and more concerned about shipping a game regardless of what state it's in, but the messages I'm getting here is the opposite. I can understand reticence (hmm, they're delaying the game... obviously they aren't happy with where it's currently at), but at the same time... if we didn't think the game would be high enough quality for October 7th, should we still release it then anyways because people really want it and don't like waiting?


Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but some seem to be thinking that us spending the extra month will actually make the game worse than if we were to just release in October? Or is it "this delay makes me think the game is just in a bad state" simply because a delay means it's not ready when we would have liked?

 

While I am sad to have to wait longer, I am happy if it means a more polished experience. Seriously. DA2 didn't get any of the extra time that has been taken with DAI, and that is something oft-complained about by fans. So how can we turn around and complain again when Bioware IS taking the time to make DAI as good as they possibly can? Another month won't kill me.

[godModeAlpha]

BioWare isn't your parents or your grandparents.

If I reacted that way over a toy, my grandma would have whooped my ass.

 

Sounds like what folks would have done too. Tis what my parents called the good news, was the only kind of good news I knew was bad news.

[Giffygas]

Please, don't act as if people were right just because the game got delayed. Doomsayers will be right some times, it doesn't mean they have more knowledge.

hang on a second just because it's not something you appreciate hearing doesn't make it doomsaying. And as far as knowledge goes look back 1 or 2 of the people saying things displayed a lot of knowledge.

[Darvins]

Am I dancing in the streets... well I don't do that anyway but you get my point. No, am I even a little disappointed of course. Do I begrudge the extra time, no. Am I seeing the upside of now having a clear path to enjoy all the games I am really looking forward too one after the other, giving them the attention they deserve each. Hell yes. Do I wish it was Shadows that was getting the delay so I could play Inquisition first, well yeah this (DA: I)was the game I was most looking forward to, but this is okay. 

 

That is all to say, while sad at the delay it's not the end of the universe and I am content to wait till they think it's really going to be ready.

[Allan Schumacher]

I think some people are automatically assuming that delay = better quality, which is not entirely true.  As others have mentioned Watch Dogs is a good example of this.  In addition, let us not forget the messes that were Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem.  Do I think that DA:I will be this type of bad quality and that the delay won't make the game better? Absolutely not; however, if there is another delay that pushes the game back I will have to cancel my preorder and await player reviews just as a precaution.  I do not foresee this happening though and have a strong belief that the game will be better.  Now let us just hope that Bioware has some extra marketing stuff for us to make the extended timeframe go more quickly.

It's fine to be concerned if the game's quality isn't that of our marketing stuff (you should do that anyways, after stuff like Colonial Marines).

But the idea that those games were "made worse" between the marketing shots and the game's release is a very perplexing one for me

It's absolutely true that a delayed game doesn't mean the game will definitely be without issues, and it's perfectly fine to take the news as a concerning thing because it means the game wasn't ready for October 7th.  But I'd be very surprised if the games you mentioned would have been higher quality if they had simply released what they had at an earlier point of time.

[wolfsite]

Dang, I understand developers wanting to take the time to get things done right.  But October 7 was my birthday and this would have been a great gift.... that I paid for myself.......

 

 

Oh well one month isn't long at all, I can wait.

 

 

Can also look at it this way, one less month between Inquisition and the next Bioware game

[Ispan]

I'm very disappointed. Delaying the game once again is NOT COOL Bioware.

 

Can we at least get Character Creator or a Demo then?

 

They pushed back the date because they needed more time just to get the game out (even though they knew it would upset fans), so it might be a little awkward if they spent time and resources on non-essential things like this.

[pdusen]

people with demanding jobs that require you to set vacation times months in advance.

 

Must... fight... urge... to... give... perspective...

[Beltan]

Whew. I got more time to finish DAO DLC, Awakenings and DA2.  Yay for the delay !

[lady_v23]

Unfortunately, I can't confirm that it's the ultra ultimate definite no-take-backsies release date, although I'd be ridiculously surprised if it slipped again. Take that for what it's worth.

Some of us may have our holidays impacted too, if it's any consolation.


As for the thread in general, I admit I am a bit confused. I realize it may not be the same people saying the previous complaints, but with all the assertions that EA (and by extension BioWare) isn't concerned about quality and more concerned about shipping a game regardless of what state it's in, but the messages I'm getting here is the opposite. I can understand reticence (hmm, they're delaying the game... obviously they aren't happy with where it's currently at), but at the same time... if we didn't think the game would be high enough quality for October 7th, should we still release it then anyways because people really want it and don't like waiting?


Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but some seem to be thinking that us spending the extra month will actually make the game worse than if we were to just release in October? Or is it "this delay makes me think the game is just in a bad state" simply because a delay means it's not ready when we would have liked?

People are just disappointed. And that's good! It shows we care.

[Hrungr]

Disappointed...  no question. But mostly because now I have to try and shift around my holiday time around. And that's... not always easy.

 

But on the other hand, it really is hard to argue with more polish and bug fixing.

 

So in the end... I'm sanguine.

[Savber100]

What people are saying here is more or less due to their disappointment, there is no other word that can describe it.

In your second line, the latter is overreaction that I've barely even seen, the former is because there was another game that was super hyped and got delayed for the exact same amount of time in the name of "polishing", then got released with a ****ton of bugs and optimization issues.

Thirdly, the point of an analogy is not to be taken literally, if that's the case then I shouldn't even pay for the game since what kind of parents use their kids money to buy his gift. It's simply to show what level of disappointment/sadness fans will be feeling.

Finally a business that simply aims to create a product to sell, is a failure business, the product has to also show how good the business is. Like if a Musical Artist produces a second album that sells 100k copies, that's a really good sale figure! But was the music good? Was there improvement from the last album? Does the artist deliver what he tries to promise his fans? If everything went well, then he's all good and will probably start to sell even more in future albums, but if he failed then that's a good bye to his career, or he'll go through a really tough time. That said the game was promised at October 7th, so much hype was sparked for that date, they've already delayed for a year and gave the impression everything is finalized and they had enough time, but they postpone it for another 40 days. 

 

Disappointment doesn't mean you're justified in whining and baseless assumptions. I'm directing my statements towards said people and not necessarily EVERYONE here if that wasn't clear already. 

 

Second, my comments were directed at him and people like him. Nothing more. If you know that wasn't directed at the ENTIRE fanbase, then what's the issue here? Also Watch Dogs issue was due to over-promising and blatant lies... Where is the connection here to Dragon Age? The only correlation is the fact that both games got delayed. That's it.

Third, once again, you prove my point in that fans are overreacting in giving nonsensical analogies that have no application to the situation. It's an exaggeration based on disappointment (which is a fickle emotion). 

 

Lastly,, 
 

"Finally a business that simply aims to create a product to sell, is a failure business, the product has to also show how good the business is"

HENCE THE DELAY. 

You talk about artist delivering what they preach. 

Do you think fans will give more of a damn about the release date or the actual quality of the product in the end? 

[Lukas Trevelyan]

People are just disappointed. And that's good! It shows we care.

^This is basically the simplest and most accurate summary of what's going on.

Let's not read too much into things or take things too far now shall we?

[Shadow Fox]

Well I'll have LBX and hopefully Gundam Build Fighters TRY to help me cope.

 

Thank you Japan for little plastic toy robots.

[BloodyTalon]

But to be honest, rather have a delay then not one. Given some games lately have very poor pc optiomizing, means they can nail down those things for pc mean and crush more bugs hopefully.

Still think its a little more marketing choice then anything since its a little over a month of extra and the perfect choice of dates before the first major holidays.

My only regreat will be deviding time up between killing a lot of crap in far cry 4 and enjoying a story like dragon age typically offers. But at-least my free time for the holidays will be consumed.

[MrMrPendragon]

Andd here I thought I was going to fail my midterms because I'd be too busy playing DA:I. Turns out I don't have to fail them. The delay actually worked perfectly with my schedule

[Joxer]

I believe there is nothing wrong with the game, but it'll outsale no-pools game so... Better not to be a competition to your own company.

Sorry but I don't believe in polish PR.

 

Oh and Watch Dogs... It would have been better if Ubi didn't cut out graphisc that prove PC as superior platform to nextgen. Luckily a modder unlocked those things.

[Swagger7]

My morning: 

Checking the internet:  "Ooh, the DA twitter says there's news!"  November 18.  "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

 

Intellectually, I'm glad that you guys are going to take the time to polish it and make it better.  I just can't deny that five more weeks makes me very sad. 

[BlazinAces30]

Just my luck 

 

I have asked off for the 7th of October 

 

Which was granted 

 

Looks like I will have to work that day and re-ask for the 18th of Nov off

 

the waiting is killing me 

 

plus i need sometime away from work

[Allan Schumacher]

People are just disappointed. And that's good! It shows we care.

 

That's what I was figure but it can be difficult to filter it out.

[Swagger7]

Dang, I understand developers wanting to take the time to get things done right.  But October 7 was my birthday and this would have been a great gift.... that I paid for myself.......

 

 

Oh well one month isn't long at all, I can wait.

 

 

Can also look at it this way, one less month between Inquisition and the next Bioware game

Nah, they pushed that one back by five weeks too. 

[fchopin]

Take all the time you need.

[HellaciousHutch]

I'm relatively sure the DA fanbase would be happy with a game that wins a billion GOTY awards, but yeah tastes vary.

 

I lol'ed.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

For those of you with other things to look forward to, good on you, for those of us without anything to distract, and look forward to: We dun be boned.

[hangmans tree]

OK, since I see Allan takes part in this discussion I will post it here (and the necroed thread may slip into oblivion):

How much should we have?

 

How much did our other games have?  How much do other studios games have?  By what basis are you drawing from your concern that this may not be enough time?  Just a hunch?

Hi again, lets talk about my hunch...

 

4-5 months is a very, very long time in game development.  But when I see a post like this, I don't see questions, I see judgment:

 

 

 

 

 

 

This coming after someone had tweeted Cameron who said this is pretty normal.  You did not give the impression of asking "Is this enough time?"  You gave the impression "This is alarming because it's not enough time" as well as "This timetable is different than that of other games."  So that's why I was asking you how much time we needed, because it seemed like you knew how much time we should have, because your first post made it pretty clear that you didn't feel it was enough time.  I mean, you literally ask if there's a new timetable for alpha/beta, which tells me that you know what the timetable should be, and that our current one is wrong.

 

Hence why I was asking questions.  No, you didn't make yourself clear... you weren't asking questions, you were making declarations.

 

 

In the future, if you are looking for the answer for a question, be quick and concise:  "Will you have enough time for Alpha and Beta?  This seems really late to me" instead of going on about how we're using a new timetable for alpha and beta that you're not aware of.  When you say that, you're telling me that you are aware of some other timetable.  I was curious what that was.

I would like to "impose" my question again - do you have...errr... did Bioware had enough time? Considering all the replies to my 1st post, where I was almost stomped to the ground by making... a judgement as you put it, let me ask: why the delay? And please dont give me that PR talk about an extra time to make things shine for us players to make it an awesome game (which, in truth, is partially true I belive). The backlog says to me BW was short on time it seems, so they had to move the release back (forward?), to November.

"Will you have enough time for Alpha and Beta?  This seems really late to me".

 

If anyone wishes to continue ni respective thread here's the link:

http://forum.bioware...ne-alpha/page-8