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#26
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Well, his ineffectualality is dependent on the job he was actually given. Sure, he was raising Maric's illegitimate son, but Maric never recognized Alistair as his, so Eamon's job may have been to keep Alistair out of trouble and keep him ever feeling like he'd have a chance at being king so as to prevent a civil war, preserve Rowan's dignity in the eyes of the people, and generally keep him from ever feeling like he'd have any chance of being a threat to Cailan's rule, as ultimately if the nobles knew about Alistair, many probably work to get Alistair on the throne as a puppet-king to advance their own agenda's. And many nobles rebelled after Cailan's death to advance their own agenda's, not just Teagan's idealistic ones. 

 

If his job was to keep Alistair down, out of the way, and unnoticed, Eamon would have done a superb job at it. 

If any of that was Maric's intention, why didn't he just have Alistair killed and been done with it? Loghain would have done the deed and not even felt bad about it.

 

Sending him to Eamon to be looked after seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to for a child you don't care about. If you go with the assumption that Fiona is Alistair's mother, then the whole thing makes much more sense. Fiona didn't want Alistair raised with knowledge of his parentage so that he could live his life free of the burdens of who his parents were. This would explain why Maric placed Alistair in Eamon's care (Redcliffe is about as far from Denerim as you can get), since Eamon was his brother-in-law and an ardent royalist, he could be reasonably trusted to look after to the boy. Personally, I always thought that making Alistair think he could never be king was Eamon's way of ensuring that his blood nephew would inherit the throne without the threat of the illegitimate bastard creating instability. Of course, never telling Alistair that his father was the king would have seemed like a more effective way of achieving the same result. I suspect a bit it was pettiness at Maric having a child with someone else after Rowan's death, which he took out on Alistair. I imagine he did the letter of his duty to Maric (ensuring the boy was fed, clothed, and housed), but otherwise tried to keep him at arms length. But in spite of himself and his anger at Maric, he ended up becoming fond of Alistair, hence his visits to the Chantry and repairing the amulet.

 

Regarding the nobles, I felt that they rebelled mainly against Loghain's attempt to simply take other without the Landsmeet having a say, as is the established process. If Loghain had gathered the Landsmeet and submitted himself as a candidate, they might well have elected him, but he stormed in like a bull in a China shop and just tried to bully everyone into submission and so they rebelled against his temerity and disrespect to them.



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I don't think Maric had it in him to order the death of his son. 

 

If Loghain joins the party, the warden can ask him why Maric never claimed Alistair as his son. Loghain says that Maric nearly did and he did care for Alistair. But he didn't recognize him as his son and a potential heir so as to spare Queen Rowan disgrace. 

 

So he had Alistair put in the keeping of his brother-in-law. He could keep an eye on him while also keeping Alistair away from the throne and preventing a civil war.

 

I suspect you're right about Eamon there, as Alistair is living proof that his sister was cheated on. Or if

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I don't think Maric had it in him to order the death of his son. 

 

If Loghain joins the party, the warden can ask him why Maric never claimed Alistair as his son. Loghain says that Maric nearly did and he did care for Alistair. But he didn't recognize him as his son and a potential heir so as to spare Queen Rowan disgrace. 

 

So he had Alistair put in the keeping of his brother-in-law. He could keep an eye on him while also keeping Alistair away from the throne and preventing a civil war.

 

I suspect you're right about Eamon there, as Alistair is living proof that his sister was cheated on. Or if

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Yea, but Alistair isn't that old.  Rowan died some time before Maric slept with Fiona or the Redcliffe maid, which means he wasn't cheating on Rowan.  I think his backstory is still full of plotholes from when he was intended to be a much older Grey Warden.

 

Giving him to Eamon makes more sense if the mother is the Redcliffe maid, but less so for Fiona.  Why Eamon?  Why not the Couslands?  Eamon, being his brother in law would have been the worst possible choice if he felt slighted by any perceived adultery going on.

 

And I'd take anything Loghain says about Maric's fatherly attitudes with a grain of salt.  He's hardly father of the year material himself.



#29
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I don't think Isolde is overly concerned with titles. Her family probably disowned her when she married the man that robbed them of their Ferelden holdings. Rather than play the game she chose to stay behind in a foreign land where everyone is strange, smells like dogs and finds her accent annoying. Now she's stuck living out her days in a rural village where the local nobles can be counted on your fingers and I imagine the closest thing she has to a friend is Teagan. As for her husband well he hasn't aged well and whatever affection he had for her seems dead. He shows no signs of caring if you let a blood mage sacrifice her and her codex entry suggests that the lack of a second heir is telling.

Some have speculated that Isolde has moved on to Teagan romantically, and I can't actually find any evidence to contradict that. Especially since they appear to be on a date, or at least a date in all but name, in Mark of the Assassin.



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Yea, but Alistair isn't that old.  Rowan died some time before Maric slept with Fiona or the Redcliffe maid, which means he wasn't cheating on Rowan.  I think his backstory is still full of plotholes from when he was intended to be a much older Grey Warden.

 

Giving him to Eamon makes more sense if the mother is the Redcliffe maid, but less so for Fiona.  Why Eamon?  Why not the Couslands?  Eamon, being his brother in law would have been the worst possible choice if he felt slighted by any perceived adultery going on.

 

And I'd take anything Loghain says about Maric's fatherly attitudes with a grain of salt.  He's hardly father of the year material himself.

 

Because Eamon is not only a traditional royalist, but also the King's brother-in-law, so Maric may have easily put Alistair there because he felt a stronger connection through Rowan?



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Because Eamon is not only a traditional royalist, but also the King's brother-in-law, so Maric may have easily put Alistair there because he felt a stronger connection through Rowan?

 

Maybe.  More than anything it just seems like the whole situation is one giant plot hole Bioware didn't feel warranted clarifying, leaving the players to speculate.