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[krogan warlord83]

Actually no it's not flawed. As mentioned there is a time window, as more time passes the likely hood of someone buying DLC for a game decreases, and altering the price won't affect that, because the reason they are unlikely to buy the DLC is because they have moved on. The period of time when they where thinking 'Oh man I really want to play that game and see more of it' has passed by. Creating a situation then where Gamers are waiting for the price drop is playing chicken with that point, it's going to come, you can't avoid it coming, when then have you passed the point where the number of people who won't replay your game and therefore buy the DLC has grown beyond where making the DLC is worth it for how much you'll get back?

 

Is it worth playing that game of chicken at all? 

 

Those people who do replay your game after the next big one has come out, on the other hand or even a few years down the line have shown that well to be frank? They think the replay value is worth it, and are liable to pay full price for the DLC without too much concern a sale isn't going to sell that many more, and indeed still encourages the whole chicken game, maybe you run the occasional sale to catch people who are replaying but...

 

what about the rest of the year when other people are replaying how likely is it they will wait around for your DLC sale before moving on? Where as having it at the same flat price, avoids that whole issue, it doesn't matter when you buy the DLC so you may as well buy it now rather than 'Waiting' for the price to go down.

 

Or long story short, he was saying the point of Sales is to make more money by selling more but in the case of DLC regular sales or a decrease in price would actually lead to less DLC being sold, due to the nature of well the Games industry.

exactly i have ryse son of rome season pass because i liked the few free updates and packs that came out for shorty after release  now all dlc is out(as crytek might be in trouble i doubt  they going release more) still haven't gone back too it because i have too be frank moved on .

 

id wager im not the only one.

[Vapaa]

Because the person who spend 3 bucks on ME3 during the ORIGIN sale will gladly throw away FIFTY dollars for all its story DLCs ? you're kidding, right ?

 

I don't understand how this is even an argument, as the only ME3 DLC that doesn't use BW points (the Deluxe package) DOES actually go on sale.

[Dan Fango]

The short answer imo is story based DLC doesnt lose its value in the same way as a gun might (since I am from ME I am using it as an example). I mean if another gun pack comes out and has a gun you like more, you will probably shelve your old one and never look back. But a piece of story DLC you will probably never skip in a playthrough. So in that regard it has more value, regardless of the time that passes.
 
A game will lose its value over time since the competition increases, but a DLC will not since: once the game is back in the tray (so to speak), the dlc, is instantly valuable again.
 
Furthermore if you put on regular sales of DLC people may come to "expect" that your DLC will be on sale and then you wont be able to sell for full price. Because the most likely scenario is going to be someone that says oh the DLC will be on sale in a month so I wont pick it up now. Then they never return to buy it (even discounted).
 
I know this answer/my opinion may seem "money hungry" but I mean I am not going to lie I like people spending money on our products since, it means I end up with a job as a result.

It's been said already, but if story based DLC doesn't lose its value, why then does it go on sale on some platforms and not on others? I mean, I've no issue with BioWare wanting to protect themselves from the used game market Bryan, but you'll not convince (or train) me to believe that it's in any way reasonable to charge day 1 prices for DLC that is years old.

Come on now!

[Amaror]

Actually no it's not flawed. As mentioned there is a time window, as more time passes the likely hood of someone buying DLC for a game decreases, and altering the price won't affect that, because the reason they are unlikely to buy the DLC is because they have moved on. The period of time when they where thinking 'Oh man I really want to play that game and see more of it' has passed by. Creating a situation then where Gamers are waiting for the price drop is playing chicken with that point, it's going to come, you can't avoid it coming, when then have you passed the point where the number of people who won't replay your game and therefore buy the DLC has grown beyond where making the DLC is worth it for how much you'll get back?

 

Is it worth playing that game of chicken at all? 

 

Those people who do replay your game after the next big one has come out, on the other hand or even a few years down the line have shown that well to be frank? They think the replay value is worth it, and are liable to pay full price for the DLC without too much concern a sale isn't going to sell that many more, and indeed still encourages the whole chicken game, maybe you run the occasional sale to catch people who are replaying but...

 

what about the rest of the year when other people are replaying how likely is it they will wait around for your DLC sale before moving on? Where as having it at the same flat price, avoids that whole issue, it doesn't matter when you buy the DLC so you may as well buy it now rather than 'Waiting' for the price to go down.

 

Or long story short, he was saying the point of Sales is to make more money by selling more but in the case of DLC regular sales or a decrease in price would actually lead to less DLC being sold, due to the nature of well the Games industry.

 

You do know that people exists that don't buy the game at launch right? I think you will also know that those people still would like the full experience of the game.

When such a person buys, say ME 3, on sale for 3 bucks i am pretty sure they will be more than happy to shell out another 50 bucks for about a fith of the content, right?

You do know how stupid that sounds, don't you`?

 

Oh and what about the people that do replay games very often but are not fanatic enough to get blatantly ripped of by rediculous dlc prices. You know, people like me.

[Darvins]

You do know that people exists that don't buy the game at launch right? I think you will also know that those people still would like the full experience of the game.

When such a person buys, say ME 3, on sale for 3 bucks i am pretty sure they will be more than happy to shell out another 50 bucks for about a fith of the content, right?

You do know how stupid that sounds, don't you`?

 

Oh and what about the people that do replay games very often but are not fanatic enough to get blatantly ripped of by rediculous dlc prices. You know, people like me.

 

Yes they do, and the same issue arises with them, also what does it matter if you got a game on sale and now are not getting the DLC for the same sale price, your still saving money on the original game, fantastically so, now you have the option of paying for DLC, and getting several hours of content added, going by most of BioWares DLC your still paying less per hour of gameplay fun on a a single playthrough than you would for a Cinema ticket. That's amazing value. I cannot think of any entertainment industry that offers the same value per $ or £ spent than the gaming industry and people still think they are being overcharged.

 

Tell me why does the fact you made a saving on the main game entitle you to pay less for the DLC, you still made your saving.

[Kantr]

Short Answer: Everyone else does it.

[Dan Fango]

Consumers trying to make the case for less in the way of added value on behalf of BioWare? Perhaps Bryan was right after all!

[Lux]

Sigh... there's no amount of rationalization that can justify points and frozen prices for all time. It's a ripoff for consumers, period.

[Lexxbomb]

We should have some clarity on this subject sometime this month.

News Flash, Bioware to announce DLC on PC will be purchased using the Souls of the Gamer's Children or those of Console Gamers.

[Vapaa]

Short Answer: Everyone else does it.

 

This, BW points are ridiculous in this day and age.

[Amaror]

Yes they do, and the same issue arises with them, also what does it matter if you got a game on sale and now are not getting the DLC for the same sale price, your still saving money on the original game, fantastically so, now you have the option of paying for DLC, and getting several hours of content added, going by most of BioWares DLC your still paying less per hour of gameplay fun on a a single playthrough than you would for a Cinema ticket. That's amazing value. I cannot think of any entertainment industry that offers the same value per $ or £ spent than the gaming industry and people still think they are being overcharged.

 

Tell me why does the fact you made a saving on the main game entitle you to pay less for the DLC, you still made your saving.

 

Still talking about old content here, mate.

Show me a single at least a year old movie that you can buy now that costs 15 Euros (!!) for 2 hours of content. 

For an additional challenge, show me any content that is a few years old and still costs the same than the day it was released outside of the gaming industry. 

I am waiting....

[AtalaSirion]

I hope those future DLC's gonna be avaliable for cash, and for points at the same time.

So everyone gonna be happy about it 

I still have 1300 points to spend and i was saving them for Inquisition.  

[Lux]

I still have 1300 points to spend and i was saving them for Inquisition.  

 

Or you could get a refund similar to what other companies did. I had Microsoft points which were converted in cash to my account when they got rid of points.

[AtalaSirion]

Or you could get a refund similar to what other companies did. I had Microsoft points which were converted in cash to my account when they got rid of points.

is there an option to do that? sorry i'm a noob when it come to things like that

[Lux]

is there an option to do that? sorry i'm a noob when it come to things like that

 

With BioWare, not yet. I used an example of what Microsoft did when they changed their payment system. BioWare could do something similar.

[AtalaSirion]

With BioWare, not yet. I used an example of what Microsoft did when they changed their payment system. BioWare could do something similar.

Ohhh i see, thank you for information. If they get rid of points i hope we can somehow transfer them in cash 

[BloodyTalon]

I only have 40 points left so no big deal if they do away with such things.

[Vapaa]

I disagree about the argument that DLC retains its value longer than base games. That doesn't make much sense to me, both base games and DLC diminish in value the older they get. Its not that the content doesn't have value, but it certainly doesn't have the same value that it did when it launched 1-4 years ago. 

 

That doesn't make sense for a lot of people because EVERY DLC GAME on Steam or heck even Origin, generally at the time as the game.

 

With Bioware games being Origin-only, Bioware points only serve as money grabbing, I would not take well if they maintain that system.

[AlanC9]

That doesn't make sense for a lot of people because EVERY DLC GAME on Steam or heck even Origin, generally at the time as the game.
 
With Bioware games being Origin-only, Bioware points only serve as money grabbing, I would not take well if they maintain that system.

I don't follow this . Bio points don't go on sale because Bio doesn't want to have a sale. if Bio doesn't want to have a sale, putting the DLC on Steam wouldn't change that, would it? They still control their own pricing, right?

[CronoDragoon]

Edit: Additionaly after that enlightening post of Bryan Johnson i am not sure i even want Bioware to have my money. If all devs of Bioware are this greedy than i will say goodbye right here and now.

 

You will be missed, I'm sure.

[Dan Fango]

You will be missed, I'm sure.

Care to explain to us all why you 'liked' Bryans post CronoDragoon? Genuine question.

[CronoDragoon]

Care to explain to us all why you 'liked' Bryans post CronoDragoon? Genuine question.

 

Because I enjoy devs having the honesty to tell us the reasons behind their company's business practice, instead of 1) not saying anything or 2) giving us B.S. PR speak.

[Vapaa]

I don't follow this . Bio points don't go on sale because Bio doesn't want to have a sale. if Bio doesn't want to have a sale, putting the DLC on Steam wouldn't change that, would it? They still control their own pricing, right?

 

I'm not saying they should put it on Steam, I'm saying that apart from Bioware, EVERYONE that puts a game on sale, puts the eventual DLC on sale too...so the "should DLC go on sale ?" argument is moot anyway.

 

They have to drop the BW points, it had a purpose when the games were scattered between different platforms, but now that Bioware games on PC are Origin-only, what is it for ?

[Dan Fango]

Because I enjoy devs having the honesty to tell us the reasons behind their company's business practice, instead of 1) not saying anything or 2) giving us B.S. PR speak.

So you're happy to support BioWares double standards so long as they are forthright about it? Good grief!