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[TK514]

Yeah, I'm thinking something along those lines for the less "political" options. If the Fade explosion that causes the Breach and creates the Inquisitor kills thousands of people, it's not like someone just set off a cherry bomb in a peace conference toilet. That thing has a serious blast radius.

 

Agreed.  If I weren't pretty sure that the devs said all the origins were at/near the conference, I wouldn't necessarily believe that some of them were even in the area.  When the Fade explodes, there's nothing to say that a person couldn't be yanked from the Marches to Ferelden via breach.  I certainly look forward to finding out.

[MisterJB]

And here we've come right back to square one, with you acting as if the Dalish have no right to exist on lands that aren't "theirs" while ignoring they have no lands because of humans taking them over and driving them out, and acting as if their hostility toward humans happened in a magical vacuum wherein the only possible reason they're hostile is because they're illegal squatters who resent being chased out of anywhere they "claim" temporarily just to survive, which essentially means you don't think they have a right to survival because human supremacy.

No, I don't think elves have a right to settle anywhere they please, start consuming resources and drive off the people who live there under threat of death.

Homelessness does not justify thievery.

 

Reminder that this all started centuries ago because humans decided they didn't want to coexist peacefully with elves, again and again, and kept driving elves out of their own lands for reasons of being unable to share, and then accusing the elves of being hostile squatters.  Your logic is flawed.

The elves contributed to the animosity; either by allowing human cities to be destroyed by Darkspawn or sacking them themselves.

[Hellion Rex]

Agreed.  If I weren't pretty sure that the devs said all the origins were at/near the conference, I wouldn't necessarily believe that some of them were even in the area.  When the Fade explodes, there's nothing to say that a person couldn't be yanked from the Marches to Ferelden via breach.  I certainly look forward to finding out.

Huh. Interesting idea. The Breach warping space and pulling them to the mountain.

[Dabrikishaw]

Yeah, I'm thinking something along those lines for the less "political" options. If the Fade explosion that causes the Breach and creates the Inquisitor kills thousands of people, it's not like someone just set off a cherry bomb in a peace conference toilet. That thing has a serious blast radius.

It has real interesting repercussions that's for sure.

[MisterJB]

Kirkwall played a role in the present mess and there are mages and Templars from every nation besides Tevinter involved in it. Why wouldn't a Free Marches city send a representative from a noble house?

[Hellion Rex]

Kirkwall played a role in the present mess and there are mages and Templars from every nation besides Tevinter involved in it. Why wouldn't a Free Marches city send a representative from a noble house?

But still, why send us? Nobles wouldn't have a part in this since the nobility has no say in Circle law.

[Jazzpha]

It has real interesting repercussions that's for sure.

Yup. For all intents and purposes, the creation of the Breach is the kickoff of a massive extinction event, and/or outright apocalypse. It's a hole in the sky that can be seen a long, long way off. I'm assuming that there's going to be a heinously massive no-man's land in the area around the detonation point.

[TK514]

Kirkwall played a role in the present mess and there are mages and Templars from every nation besides Tevinter involved in it. Why wouldn't a Free Marches city send a representative from a noble house?

I can see this.  If for no other reason that assuring all parties that the rest of the Marches has nothing to do with Kirkwall's insanity or the actions of it's Champion.

[Hellion Rex]

Yup. For all intents and purposes, the creation of the Breach is the kickoff of a massive extinction event, and/or outright apocalypse. It's a hole in the sky that can be seen a long, long way off. I'm assuming that there's going to be a heinously massive no-man's land in the area around the detonation point.

Indeed. It probably vaporized Haven as well. Granted, it says the blast killed "thousands". Thousands of what? I thought there'd be a thousand at most on the mountain, comprised of Seekers, Mages, Templars, and Chantry people.

[TK514]

Yup. For all intents and purposes, the creation of the Breach is the kickoff of a massive extinction event, and/or outright apocalypse. It's a hole in the sky that can be seen a long, long way off. I'm assuming that there's going to be a heinously massive no-man's land in the area around the detonation point.

 

Can be seen from a long way off is right.  If the E3 demo is any indication, you can see it from Redcliffe.  I imagine the guards outside Orzammar looking up, saying "Nope nope nope" and locking the door behind them as they go inside.  Forever.

[MisterJB]

But still, why send us? Nobles wouldn't have a part in this since the nobility has no say in Circle law.

Maybe because nobles would like to make sure nothing will be decided there that will negativelly affect them. I imagine they are an uninterested in having mages around without checks and balances as the common man. Then there are other issues like citizenship of mages.

 

Or maybe we're a third, neutral party because the Chantry has lost the trust of both groups.

[Hellion Rex]

I can see this.  If for no other reason that assuring all parties that the rest of the Marches has nothing to do with Kirkwall's insanity or the actions of it's Champion.

You know what? The more I think on it, it does make sense. If the Chantry is creating new rules in regards to the Circle, it'd make sense that each nation/province would send a representative to observe and to carry the new laws back to their respective nation. Even if we ourselves are not the diplomat/representative, we could be an aide or something, perhaps even one of their guards.

[Dabrikishaw]

Yup. For all intents and purposes, the creation of the Breach is the kickoff of a massive extinction event, and/or outright apocalypse. It's a hole in the sky that can be seen a long, long way off. I'm assuming that there's going to be a heinously massive no-man's land in the area around the detonation point.

Just thinking about all the commotion and scandal it will cause, whole allegiances being born just to figure out what happened.  

[Hellion Rex]

Just thinking about all the commotion and scandal it will cause, whole allegiances being born just to figure out what happened.  

Probably a lot of people will be aimed against you due to the fact that since you can close Veil tears, they figure that you can open them as well, and may have opened the Breach itself.

[Jazzpha]

Just thinking about all the commotion and scandal it will cause, whole allegiances being born just to figure out what happened.

Oh yeah. Whoever set up us the bomb is going to have literally the entirety of Thedas screaming for their head. Talk about public enemy number one.

The fact that whatever the desired outcome of the Breach is is worth attracting that kind of heat is more than a little horrifying.

[Dabrikishaw]

Probably a lot of people will be aimed against you due to the fact that since you can close Veil tears, they figure that you can open them as well, and may have opened the Breach itself.

One of several possibilities . I can also see some factions using our survival as a means of incurring hope for the rest of Thedas.

[Jazzpha]

One of several possibilities . I can also see some factions using our survival as a means of incurring hope for the rest of Thedas.

Agreed. And if I recall correctly, seeing the inquisitor as a beacon of hope in a dying world is precisely why some of your companions choose to follow you, like Vivienne and Blackwall.

[Myusha123]

Some City Elves do run away to try and join the Dalish. Learning more about the clan is good, but leaving it open to interpretation about your own character is nice.
Same with Surface Dwarf. Maybe exiled? (Being the inquisition's leader, would exempt them from any 'EXILED' intolerance) Or born among the Surface Dwarves?

I like dialogue options that let you fill in the gaps yourself. 

Although it's kind of give and take. The more left definable by the player, the less likely they can make dialogue accordingly to account. 
If you get choices that let you define your background in dialogue, it's good but less likely to be brought up in casual conversation, or even considered when having to make tough choices. (Like Mage Hawke with Templars.)

But if you let your story be defined to an extent, you can bring it up more so and talk about it and relate it into the plot (Hawke being a refugee)

[OctagonalSquare]

Bleargh.

 

Forgive me, but that feels like playing a human noble atheist in DAO.

Meaning...?

[cjones91]

The Anti Dalish crowd is amusing with their double standards and waving away of human violence against elves.

 

The Dalish aren't the only ones with skeletons in their closet you know?

[TK514]

The Anti Dalish crowd is amusing with their double standards and waving away of human violence against elves.

 

The Dalish aren't the only ones with skeletons in their closet you know?

 

No one has said they were.

[cjones91]

No one has said they were.

I've seen several people argue the Dalish are worse because one and I repeat "one" clan unleashed a ultra powerful human upon the world.

 

That's small fry compared to what the other races did,hell the entire state of chaos currently raging in Thedas was caused by a group of humans.

 

Both the Dalish and humans don't have clean hands here.

[Jazzpha]

This thread is turning into an Ouroboros of invective. And as much as I love the fact that that gave me cause to use the words 'ouroboros' and 'invective' in a sentence, it's a little wearying.

 

Anyway, enough kvetching. I do have an on-topic question. Do we know if the various races are going to be class-gated, like in DAO? I assume Dwarves can't be mages again because of the lore, but what about the Dalish Inquisitor? I'll be running a Mage every time regardless, but it'd be interesting to have Warrior open as a possibility.

[cjones91]

This thread is turning into an Ouroboros of invective. And as much as I love the fact that that gave me cause to use the words 'ouroboros' and 'invective' in a sentence, it's a little wearying.

 

Anyway, enough kvetching. I do have an on-topic question. Do we know if the various races are going to be class-gated, like in DAO? I assume Dwarves can't be mages again because of the lore, but what about the Dalish Inquisitor? I'll be running a Mage every time regardless, but it'd be interesting to have Warrior open as a possibility.

I don't see why not,the Dalish have warriors as well as mages so the class should be open to the Dalish Inquisitor.

[Samahl]

Do we know if the various races are going to be class-gated, like in DAO? I assume Dwarves can't be mages again because of the lore, but what about the Dalish Inquisitor? I'll be running a Mage every time regardless, but it'd be interesting to have Warrior open as a possibility.

 

Why wouldn't they let you be a warrior?