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[LobselVith8]

I hope you are given at least some dialogue responses that are unique to Dalish players remarking on such things. I'm tempted to run a Dalish Warrior Templar. I wonder if you can also enlist city elves as well as Dalish to become a part of your Inquisition Army.

 

I'd really like to be able to allow elves to enlist in the Inquisition.

 

Also, since you are marked by some heavy duty magic that's possibly spirit/demon related, I wonder how other Dalish will regard you. Would they care? Would they only tolerate you because you are trying to stop the Breach? Would they think you are some demon in disguise? Damn, this is gonna be interesting.

 

The Dalish would say spirit, not demon. Merrill and Anders have several arguments over the fact that the Dalish view them all as dangerous spirits, and not Spirits and Demons. Anders goes into several spiels about Chantry teachings, saying at one point "have you never studied the types of demons? They break down very clearly into different sins", which always came across as strange, since he had trouble grasping that the Dalish had a different cultural and religious view of the Beyond (the Fade) than Andrastian humans.

 

As for how the Dalish might regard the Inquisitor, I don't see the People shunning the elven protagonist, as long as the main character doesn't use magic that directly involves spirits; closing the Breach doesn't seem to involve that. It might come up for a necromancer, given their negative view of using magic that involves spirits, although there's also the possibility that the clans might view the elven Inquisitor as their chance to help them in the Dales.

[Hellion Rex]

The Dalish would say spirit, not demon. Merrill and Anders have several arguments over the fact that the Dalish view them all as dangerous spirits, and not Spirits and Demons. Anders goes into several spiels about Chantry teachings, saying at one point "have you never studied the types of demons? They break down very clearly into different sins", which always came across as strange, since he had trouble grasping that the Dalish had a different cultural and religious view of the Beyond (the Fade) than Andrastian humans.

 

We're splitting hairs here, Lob. I am aware of the Dalish view of spirits, but I was using the term demons from my own perspective, not how the Dalish would define those entities within the game itself. When I say demons, I mean the "spirits" that want to eat you alive or end the world basically.

 

As for how the Dalish might regard the Inquisitor, I don't see the People shunning the elven protagonist, as long as the main character doesn't use magic that directly involves spirits; closing the Breach doesn't seem to involve that. It might come up for a necromancer, given their negative view of using magic that involves spirits, although there's also the possibility that the clans might view the elven Inquisitor as their chance to help them in the Dales.

Oh God, a Dalish necromancer. I'd bet they'd have a field day with that one!

[Dirgegun]

Speaking of Dalish! I'm working on replaying DA:O (again) and it's time to replay a Dalish, but this time I want to pay more attention to the lore and language, so does anyone know a site where there's a list of names that would suit a Dalish character? I'm not very well versed in what we know of the languages in Dragon Age, admittedly. 

[Icy Magebane]

I'm not talking from an in-game perspective, though. I'm talking about on the forums. I've been reading posts, and maybe I'm seeing intention where there is none, and I apologise for that if that's the case, but some of what's being said feels like 'you like playing Andrastian humans? Wow, you're a scumbag for having anything to do with that religion.' or 'you like playing Dalish? You agree with being jerks to everyone then, huh?'.

This seems like an oversimplification... I know that I certainly don't feel that way.  I try to just look at the argument that's being presented and ignore any personal feelings I have towards the person making the argument.  But I don't recall saying anything rude, so maybe this isn't even about me...

[Kalamah]

  Darn it, now I kind of really want to make my Lavellan a necromancer. Just once. For the mayhem.

[LobselVith8]

We're splitting hairs here, Lob. I am aware of the Dalish view of spirits, but I was using the term demons from my own perspective, not how the Dalish would define those entities within the game itself. When I say demons, I mean the "spirits" that want to eat you alive or end the world basically.

 

Fair enough.

 

Oh God, a Dalish necromancer. I'd bet they'd have a field day with that one!

 

I believe Xil is contemplating this type of elven Inquisitor, which should be interesting for her. I think it's an unorthodox elven protagonist, but we had a rather interesting type of Dalish who didn't fit the traditional mold with Merrill, so I believe that type of character can explore some interesting avenues, especially if the people and the world around her reacts to the choice. From what I understand, a Nevarran like Cassandra might have a much more positive view of necromancy than someone from Ferelden or Orlais.

 

Personally, I'm leaning more towards Rift Mage with my elven Inquisitor, since I'm looking to play a more traditional type of character (mainly in terms of avoiding magic that involves spirits, which is a nice shift for me as I've played a blood mage with my two previous canon protagonists).

[Hellion Rex]

Speaking of Dalish! I'm working on replaying DA:O (again) and it's time to replay a Dalish, but this time I want to pay more attention to the lore and language, so does anyone know a site where there's a list of names that would suit a Dalish character? I'm not very well versed in what we know of the languages in Dragon Age, admittedly. 

http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_language

 

You can probably work from here

[Icy Magebane]

Well, if I go with mage, then I'm going to make my Dalish a Knight Enchanter... which still seems weird since it's a style native to the Circle.  If I go with warrior, which I will do eventually, it'll be Reaver.  Maybe on the thrid or fifth playthrough I'd go with Dalish Templar...  could be an interesting rp.

[Hellion Rex]

 

Personally, I'm leaning more towards Rift Mage with my elven Inquisitor, since I'm looking to play a more traditional type of character (mainly in terms of avoiding magic that involves spirits, which is a nice shift for me as I've played a blood mage with my two previous canon protagonists).

Hmmm, the Rift Mage is an interesting choice. I think it'll involve the manipulation of rifts, i.e. spatial manipulation, localized teleportation, and other such feats.

 

I honestly think that Rift Mage will be my favorite, and will probably spec all my mages as that type of caster.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm still a bit sore that we don't have a Keeper/Nature tree usable by Dalish mages, cause I absolutely love plant manipulation magic.

[Dirgegun]

This seems like an oversimplification... I know that I certainly don't feel that way.  I try to just look at the argument that's being presented and ignore any personal feelings I have towards the person making the argument.  But I don't recall saying anything rude, so maybe this isn't even about me...

 

I didn't mean to make it seem like I was oversimplifying anything, just that I don't want to see anyone feel like they should feel shame for the characters they enjoy/for enjoying the Dalish or the Andrastian religion.

 

http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_language

 

You can probably work from here

 

Oh, thankee! I had no idea there was a wiki page for it! Teaches me to check before asking silly questions. 

[Kalamah]

Hmm... now to decide if my Inquisitor will take Velanna as her name, or go with Mien'harel. Subtle is not in her skillset. She's gonna spill some shemlen blood and glory in it, then raise the dead and have them fight the rest of the shems. Because why not.

[Hellion Rex]

Hmm... now to decide if my Inquisitor will take Velanna as her name, or go with Mien'harel. Subtle is not in her skillset. She's gonna spill some shemlen blood and glory in it, then raise the dead and have them fight the rest of the shems. Because why not.

Well, if blood and mayhem's your game, you certainly can't go wrong with Velanna lol

[Icy Magebane]

Hmm... now to decide if my Inquisitor will take Velanna as her name, or go with Mien'harel. Subtle is not in her skillset. She's gonna spill some shemlen blood and glory in it, then raise the dead and have them fight the rest of the shems. Because why not.

Good choice.  I was thinking of that too, but didn't like the city elf connotation... right now I'm thinking maybe Suledin?  I dunno...

[LobselVith8]

Hmmm, the Rift Mage is an interesting choice. I think it'll involve the manipulation of rifts, i.e. spatial manipulation, localized teleportation, and other such feats.

 

I honestly think that Rift Mage will be my favorite, and will probably spec all my mages as that type of caster.

 

You could be right. I have a feeling it could be quite interesting. LadyInsanity said (in her raptr Q&A wrapup) that the player would have to earn one of the specializations, so it seems like some work could be involved in acquiring the knowledge to use one of the specializations.

 

We'll have to have a mini-Arlathvenn and see how our elven Inquisitors are all doing. Two necromancers, a Knight Enchanter, and two Rift Mages so far.

 

I'm still a bit sore that we don't have a Keeper/Nature tree usable by Dalish mages, cause I absolutely love plant manipulation magic.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dalish mage had some spells from that school, like having roots attack an enemy, or travelling under the earth to reach another location, similar to Velanna and Merrill. It's exclusion would be quite awkward.

[Kalamah]

Well, if blood and mayhem's your game, you certainly can't go wrong with Velanna lol

It's part of her charm. I think she'd take Iron Bull up on that offer Sera refused.

[Icy Magebane]

Eh... I'm gonna have to remember to swing by tomorrow to drop some likes.  This daily limit hit me hard today... lol...

[Hellion Rex]

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dalish mage had some spells from that school, like having roots attack an enemy, or travelling under the earth to reach another location, similar to Velanna and Merrill. It's exclusion would be quite awkward.

I agree that its exclusion is awkward. However, if Dalish get a few extra spells, I feel like the other mages have to be compensated in some way...perhaps the Nature spells are something that replaces a similar kind of spell available to other mages.

 

Or, maybe the Dalish mages don't have access to the "Spirit" tree and have access to something else.

[Icy Magebane]

I agree that its exclusion is awkward. However, if Dalish get a few extra spells, I feel like the other mages have to be compensated in some way...perhaps the Nature spells are something that replaces a similar kind of spell available to other mages.

 

Or, maybe the Dalish mages don't have access to the "Spirit" tree and have access to something else.

I hope that they a least attempted to differentiate between the magic of each race... seems like a missed opportunity otherwise.  I wouldn't want this to wind up being a mostly superficial choice.

[Kalamah]

Or, maybe the Dalish mages don't have access to the "Spirit" tree and have access to something else.

Considering the lore, I did blink when Merrill was able to learn the Spirit tree and not Creation, but I headcanon'd it as her blood mage thing.

 

As far as speculation on the spell trees, I'm not putting too much stock in the demos and what they showed, given how limited the demos were. If it does turn out that Dalish mages get the same spells as other mages... I will be displeased.

[Dirgegun]

It's part of her charm. I think she'd take Iron Bull up on that offer Sera refused.

 

I'm upset he still had that exact dialogue even in the Dwarf!Inquisitor demo. Damn it, Bull! The Inquisitor is an option in that circumstance too!  

[Hellion Rex]

 

]As far as speculation on the spell trees, I'm not putting too much stock in the demos and what they showed

Oh, I agree. Plus, one of the devs said that the E3 demo they were showing was already 3-4 months old by the time that they showed it.

[Kalamah]

I'm upset he still had that exact dialogue even in the Dwarf!Inquisitor demo. Damn it, Bull! The Inquisitor is an option in that circumstance too!  

Dwarfquisitor was recorded?! Where? *runs off to youtube*

 

I'm hoping the actual banter accounts for Inquisitor race and such, as has been implied. I'm fairly confident that they've improved the reactivity since Origins, and now that they've finally added specialization/class reactivity, things should be interesting.

[LobselVith8]

Considering the lore, I did blink when Merrill was able to learn the Spirit tree and not Creation, but I headcanon'd it as her blood mage thing.

 

As far as speculation on the spell trees, I'm not putting too much stock in the demos and what they showed, given how limited the demos were. If it does turn out that Dalish mages get the same spells as other mages... I will be displeased.

 

Yeah, the magic tree for the elven Inquisitor should reflect some of the spells that we know Dalish mages can perform; their exclusion would stick out. I'd also like to see elven magic addressed in dialogue, as mages like Vivienne or Solas may have some interest or curiosity, and perhaps the Inquisitor can even talk to Morrigan about her shapeshifting abilities, as the Dalish Warden can mention that some of the Dalish mages also know how to shapeshift.

[Dirgegun]

Dwarfquisitor was recorded?! Where? *runs off to youtube*

 

I'm hoping the actual banter accounts for Inquisitor race and such, as has been implied. I'm fairly confident that they've improved the reactivity since Origins, and now that they've finally added specialization/class reactivity, things should be interesting.

 

Yeah! I'm not sure if it was taken down, though. I'll have a look for you!

 

That's my understanding too. I certainly hope that's the case!