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#51
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I hope we can "decide" our origin like in the mage origin in DAO. (dalish or city elf)

I'm not a big fan of the Dalish, I prefer much more the City Elves. Dalish are way too...extremist, for my tastes. and until now I have seen so few tolerable dalish characters.

 

I'd like to rolepaly (since we must be dalish) a dalish who don't like the ways of the People, and her parents where City Elves. I'd probably not put valaslin on my elf. she would refuse the to have her face painted, as a sign of protest to ways that she doesn't find hers (the clan would always consider her and the others CE flat ears. so why should she paint herself like them?is a kind of respect they don't deserve from her. she is an elf, with or without tatooes.) or simply found useless.

 

I love a lot play an elven character, but I don't like the Dalish.


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I hope we can "decide" our origin like in the mage origin in DAO. (dalish or city elf)
I'm not a big fan of the Dalish, I prefer much more the City Elves. Dalish are way too...extremist, for my tastes. and until now I have seen so few tolerable dalish characters.
 
I'd like to rolepaly (since we must be dalish) a dalish who don't like the ways of the People, and her parents where City Elves. I'd probably not put valaslin on my elf. she would refuse the to have her face painted, as a sign of protest to ways that she doesn't find hers (the clan would always consider her and the others CE flat ears. so why should she paint herself like them?is a kind of respect they don't deserve from her. she is an elf, with or without tatooes.) or simply found useless.
 
I love a lot play an elven character, but I don't like the Dalish.


All elves are Dalish. But if it helps, I plan on playing a very similar character who is very disillusioned with the Dalish and doesn't think they are doing anything positive to help the elves.
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All elves are Dalish. But if it helps, I plan on playing a very similar character who is very disillusioned with the Dalish and doesn't think they are doing anything positive to help the elves.

Bleargh.

 

Forgive me, but that feels like playing a human noble atheist in DAO.



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I hope we can "decide" our origin like in the mage origin in DAO. (dalish or city elf)

I'm not a big fan of the Dalish, I prefer much more the City Elves. Dalish are way too...extremist, for my tastes. and until now I have seen so few tolerable dalish characters.

 

I'd like to rolepaly (since we must be dalish) a dalish who don't like the ways of the People, and her parents where City Elves. I'd probably not put valaslin on my elf. she would refuse the to have her face painted, as a sign of protest to ways that she doesn't find hers (the clan would always consider her and the others CE flat ears. so why should she paint herself like them?is a kind of respect they don't deserve from her. she is an elf, with or without tatooes.) or simply found useless.

 

I love a lot play an elven character, but I don't like the Dalish.

I have a similar plan for my Elf Mage. Basically, she will be Toph from Avatar: The Last Airbender. :D


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Well at least the ears are an improvement, the ones you had in DAO as an elf were weak sauce, didn't look very elf like at all, just pointy human ears.

 

And I hope that is just war paint, who gives their Dalish elf blue tatts? :lol:

 

In the CC for DA2, you could make your tats any color or level of opacity that you wanted.  I don't remember whether that was the case for Origins too.  Tattoo or war paint, it's still a permanent facial marking that you put on in the CC, so it amounts to the same thing.



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I think it really depends how the rest of the Dalish Inquisitor's clans acts for me. If the clan isn't filled to the brim with complete and utter jerks who don't even want to acknowledge other elves as elves, simply because they were born in the city, then yeah, I want to roleplay my Dalish Inquisitor as being pretty bothered by those attitude. Hate just breeds more hate.

 

If the clan isn't full of jerks, then my Dalish Inquisitor will be at much more peace with their clan.


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Tats should be race exclusive though... There shouldn't be humans/dwarves/qunari running around with vallaslin on their face.

I actually think it might be war paint. It looks kinda chalky. Either way I will drop all my plans to play as an elf if they don't get exclusive Dalish tats.

 

Maybe the elven ones will be exclusive?

 

I don't remember how they did it in the CC for DA:O (and my game is so heavily modded I can't just check XD).  I do remember that humans could not select Dalish tattoos but I'm not sure if the Dalish PC had access to others besides the Dalish ones.



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I think it really depends how the rest of the Dalish Inquisitor's clans acts for me. If the clan isn't filled to the brim with complete and utter jerks who don't even want to acknowledge other elves as elves, simply because they were born in the city, then yeah, I want to roleplay my Dalish Inquisitor as being pretty bothered by those attitude. Hate just breeds more hate.

 

If the clan isn't full of jerks, then my Dalish Inquisitor will be at much more peace with their clan.

It's not a matter of being city-born, it's a matter of denying Dalish culture and being affiliated with an inherently antagonistic religious body.



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Maybe the elven ones will be exclusive?

 

I don't remember how they did it in the CC for DA:O (and my game is so heavily modded I can't just check XD).  I do remember that humans could not select Dalish tattoos but I'm not sure if the Dalish PC had access to others besides the Dalish ones.

The Dalish only had access to Dalish tattoos. 


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I have a similar plan for my Elf Mage. Basically, she will be Toph from Avatar: The Last Airbender. :D

 

I approve of this Inquisitor!  :lol:

 

I plan to make at least one Inquisitor, maybe even my main girl, based on Asami Sato. That girl be the only reason I watch Legend of Korra any more.  :wub:


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In the CC for DA2, you could make your tats any color or level of opacity that you wanted.  I don't remember whether that was the case for Origins too.  Tattoo or war paint, it's still a permanent facial marking that you put on in the CC, so it amounts to the same thing.

 

Welp I for one will never give my Dalish elf coloured facial tatts, I prefer to stick to the traditionally style black/grey tatt. It looks so much better IMO.



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It's not a matter of being city-born, it's a matter of denying Dalish culture and being affiliated with an inherently antagonistic religious body.

But if they are accepting of Dalish culture, then they are also affiliated with an inherently antagonistic religious body.  ;)



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Maybe the elven ones will be exclusive?

 

I don't remember how they did it in the CC for DA:O (and my game is so heavily modded I can't just check XD).  I do remember that humans could not select Dalish tattoos but I'm not sure if the Dalish PC had access to others besides the Dalish ones.

 

The Dalish Warden only had Dalish tats to choose from. Judging by the tattoo the Dalish Inquisitor has in that screen shot floating around, unless it's a new Valaslin, there'll be more of a selection this go around. :)



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On that topic, the Dalish Inquisitor we've seen has a tattoo that doesn't look Dalish at all.  I hope this doesn't mean that the tattoos are more generic in this game.  The race-specific tattoos were one of the coolest parts of the Origins CC--especially the Dalish ones, since they have such particular meaning.

 

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WOW that's pretty - Okay, I'm convinced, the elves' design have improved and I approve of it.

 

EDIT: Where is this screenshot from?



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But if they are accepting of Dalish culture, then they are also affiliated with an inherently antagonistic religious body.  ;)

No. The Dalish aren't inherently hostile towards other religions, other religions are inherently hostile towards them. Primarily the Chantry... well, the Andrastian Chantry. The Imperial Chantry might harmonize acceptably with the Dalish, but in that case it's Tevinter itself that's hostile.


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No. The Dalish aren't inherently hostile towards other religions, other religions are inherently hostile towards them. Primarily the Chantry... well, the Andrastian Chantry. The Imperial Chantry might harmonize acceptably with the Dalish, but in that case it's Tevinter itself that's hostile.

Yes, because kicking out missionaries so they can't talk isn't being hostile towards other religions at all.  :rolleyes:

 

And this is ignoring the whole "If we keep the humans away, we get our immortality back." 



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It's not a matter of being city-born, it's a matter of denying Dalish culture and being affiliated with an inherently antagonistic religious body.

 

I personally would keep my Dalish believing in their religious figures and culture, it's just their clan/the clan's ways they'd be bothered by if they ARE antagonistic and needlessly horrible towards every outsider. I'm not expecting to find that to be a Dalish norm, though. Both clans in DA:O and DAII weren't like that. 

 

Edit: They were suspicious, but they had reason to be. Being suspicious/cautious is different to outright hostility and being prejudice towards other elves, simply because they don't know of the old ways.



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Yes, because kicking out missionaries so they can't talk isn't being hostile towards other religions at all.  :rolleyes:

 

And this is ignoring the whole "If we keep the humans away, we get our immortality back." 

The latter has nothing to do with religion, and I'm not even sure how canon it is ever since the Dalish having a longer lifespan was retconned.

 

As for the former... no, it's not hostile. Hostility would be an unprovoked attack on the Chantry, not removing foreign nationals with an army at their backs. The Chantry cannot abide free mages and would never let the Dalish be.


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The Dalish Warden only had Dalish tats to choose from. Judging by the tattoo the Dalish Inquisitor has in that screen shot floating around, unless it's a new Valaslin, there'll be more of a selection this go around. :)

 

Yeah, and I'm not sure I like that.  Something so inherently tied to their culture should be racially locked.  Even if you want to play a Dalish who goes against her culture, she might still have cultural markers that she probably got when she was young.  That tattoo looks human.

 

Yes, because kicking out missionaries so they can't talk isn't being hostile towards other religions at all.  :rolleyes:

 

And this is ignoring the whole "If we keep the humans away, we get our immortality back." 

 

If missionaries from a religion/culture/race who had a history of genocide against my people showed up, I'd kick them out too.  Seems to me they just want to be left alone.


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I'm still gonna be suspicious of Shemies, I will work with you but I won't be overly trusting. :whistle:  



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I've been wondering about the situation with regard to elf mages during the Long March.     Did they only come from the ranks of children of liberated parents or did elves who had received training from Tevinter humans comprise the first wave?    Currently if someone demonstrates magical ability in Tevinter they are immediately elevated above the ranks of non-mages, even non-mage nobility.   Has that always been the case?    So would an elf mage identify more with non-mage elves or human mages?   The Canticle of Shartan describes his elves using bows in the battle and other texts mention how they made weapons from anything they could get hold of.    Naturally I suppose any reference to elf mages assisting in the fight would have been expunged but I wonder if they did?

 

Considering that there were mages among Arlathan (as proven by Witch Hunt), it doesn't seem to have made much difference with Tevinter humans enslaving the elves in the first place. As for Shartan and his elven army, I wouldn't be surprised if mages comprised some of the men and women willing to topple the Imperium, but it's never been specified if that's the case. The story of Shartan's escape reads:

 

They say that Shartan's followers stole whatever they could find to make weapons. They fought with knives of sharpened stone and glass, and with bows made from broken barrels or firewood. This bow was ox horn, made in secret over the course of months by a slave who worked in the slaughterhouses of Minrathous.

 

The slave's name has been lost to history, and the verses that spoke of his deeds, stricken from the chant, but the weapon endures.

 

 

If you're curious about the kind of people who comprised the Long Walk to the Dales, here is an entry from World of Thedas from an unnamed elf to Brother Pekor of Ferelden:

 

Only sixty-five of our group made it to Halamshiral. Some gave up. Some sickened, especially the little ones. Bandits stalked us. My mother forgive me, I had to steal food. A child fought me for extra scraps of bread. A few days later, I carried her for miles after her legs gave out. She died shivering in my arms.

 

I used to have a master, a mage. He fed me well, never beat me, even taught me how to read so I could do his accounts. But if he had a theory or a spell he wanted to test out, he'd get out his daggers, have the other servants tie me to a post, and carve furrows into my skin. I was so afraid. Every time, I was sure I would die. But at worst I'd collapse, get bandaged up, and lie in bed too weak to move for days. The other slaves visited me in secret to survey the damage. I'd heal just enough before he needed blood again.

 

That is why I traveled from Val Dorma to the Dales with nothing but rags on my back. That is why there were one hundred and five of us when we set out, all elven. That is why I fell to my knees and wept when we crossed through the gates of my new home, a village for my people.

 

 

And now I'm reminded why I want to give the elves back the Dales, but that's off-topic. Let's move on.

 

You see I'm still trying to work out why the Dalish, and thus presumably the leadership in the Dales before them, have mages as their Keepers and you can only be a Keeper if you are a mage.      Why would a people who had been suppressed and enslaved by mages, which would have included elven mages (if the rules in Ancient Tevinter were the same as today) have allowed it to become the norm that only mages could rule?    Unless, of course, some senior elf mages, who had defected from Tevinter hierarchy because their race prevented their ascension to the rank of Magister, decided they would rather rule their own people.   It would also explain why the focus of the new elven nation seemed to be the recovery of knowledge from an old elven empire in order to create a new one, rather than simply the establishment of the homeland that Shartan desired and why they pretty quickly dropped the religion that he had converted to.

 

Felicia Day said she was told there were Keepers who aren't mages, but I think the tendency towards choosing mages for Keepers has to do with how, according to the elves, everyone in Arlathan was a mage. To the Dalish, magic is a gift of the Creators. It isn't vilified simply because some people misuse it in the way that it is in the dogma of the Chantry of Andraste.

 

You're also looking at it from the wrong perspective: to the elves, humans enslaved them.

 

As for Shartan, there's a lot we don't actually know. I recall that some people even speculated that he had a romance with Andraste (given the impression some had about the play in "The Masked Empire" playing off a possible suspicion that this may have happened), but we know very little about whether he genuinely converted or not. Given how the elves continued to follow their pantheon of Creators, it doesn't seem any other elf followed her beliefs.

 

During the period between the end of the First Blight and the start of Andraste's Exalted March things were pretty chaotic with regard to worship, many people having lost faith in the old gods.    It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that elf mages during this period, who were free to conduct research managed to turn up some old references to Arlathan in Tevinter archives and old elven ruins and took it from there.    The ruins in Ferelden seemed to show that humans and elves had co-existed in the past and possibly even worshipped the same gods, but possibly under different names.    I just can't see how the refugees of elven slaves would have recovered knowledge so quickly with regard to language and culture or preserved it during their years of slavery beyond anything more than a few folk tales.    It does make sense if the source of knowledge was actually elf mages who had already been in a privileged position and then defected, with rather more lofty aspirations than the majority of refugees.

 

The developers mentioned the elven slaves wrote down some of their information on scraps of paper and the like, to pass down the information. It's also why Merrill points out there are gaps in their knowledge, such as why the Creators and the Forgotten Ones went to war.


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The latter has nothing to do with religion, and I'm not even sure how canon it is ever since the Dalish having a longer lifespan was retconned.

 

As for the former... no, it's not hostile. Hostility would be an unprovoked attack on the Chantry, not removing foreign nationals with an army at their backs. The Chantry cannot abide free mages and would never let the Dalish be.

So...the attack on Red Crossing then? 

 

 

If missionaries from a religion/culture/race who had a history of genocide against my people showed up, I'd kick them out too.  Seems to me they just want to be left alone.

Back then, the Chantry had no such history. Unless you're referring to them being human, in which case the Dales were just as racist as anyone else and thus don't garner any sympathy from me. 



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So...the attack on Red Crossing then? 

 

Which was either unprovoked, as the Chantry claimed, or in retaliation for humans invading their kingdom because the elves wouldn't convert, as the Dalish claim.

 

Back then, the Chantry had no such history. Unless you're referring to them being human, in which case the Dales were just as racist as anyone else and thus don't garner any sympathy from me. 

 

Drakon lead a series of Exalted Marches against his neighbors to impose his particular Cult of the Maker on the people; the very inception of the Orlesian Empire and the Chantry of Andraste was a history of conversion.



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So...the attack on Red Crossing then? 

No, that was after the Chantry had made clear its intentions with templar pushes. The only way to defend themselves from the Chantry was to go through Orlais.

 

 

Back then, the Chantry had no such history. Unless you're referring to them being human, in which case the Dales were just as racist as anyone else and thus don't garner any sympathy from me. 

It certainly intended to wipe out Dalish culture.



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Here, you two. You'll need this for the Dalish. You put them on one anyway.

 

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*And before you get mad, I'm only jesting. 


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