Mine too, without question. He was fantastic. I think my Inquisitor will wind up taking a lot of cues from him, personality-wise. Humor is a good way to stay sane in the face of the horrors of the world, after all.
I kind of want to read TME just to learn about certain things, but even thinking about it makes my rage rise.
Well, no, they wouldn't do that. It's still not going to be easy.
Even if Dalish could infiltrate and were super extra nice to the city elves, how many city elves would want to leave their homes and the world they are comfortable with?
I never said the plan would be easy. Doesn't mean they shouldn't try. Until the Dalish do try, I consider any of the "We care for the City Elves" lines to be lies they tell themselves to feel better.
Sorry bit busy typing and not good at doing quotes. I can't believe that people are looking at that travesty of a play in Masked Empire and thinking it hints at something that actually occurred between Andraste and Shartan. It was a parody used by Gaspard to throw hints about Celene, which he didn't actually know to be true at the time but it was sufficient that she was effectively "getting in bed with the elves" by making so many concessions to them. When he discovered it was literally true as well, he thought it was hilarious. I'd pointed out that if Maferath had really thought anything was going on between them and that was the cause of his jealousy, he probably wouldn't have honoured the agreement over the homeland. Also the play suggested he was angry at Andraste for not continuing with the crusade while dallying with Shartan, when it is a plain fact that he abandoned it once she was dead, thus suggesting that the real reason for his betrayal is that he wanted to stop it.
I never really paid it much mind, myself. I did see the speculation as simply another example that we know criminally little about Shartan.
I'd also have much more faith in people stating that there was a strong oral tradition among the elves that passed down the lore, rather than it was put on scraps of paper. That is in fact where I think all the stories come from. This could also account for why the memory is that everyone was magical when the reality was probably that just the leaders were. The fact is that humans may have enslaved them but humans also freed them. The humans who enslaved them were mages, the humans who freed them (as far as we know) were not, although I know there is a theory regarding Andraste. The elves would never have done it alone but took their chance when the opportunity was presented by Andraste's crusade. So any credit for giving them that opportunity should go to the Maker, not the Creators. The elves who fought for their freedom were not mages but it would seem predominately archers, essentially soldiers using anything they could lay their hands on. Their great war leader was definitely not a mage - Andraste's gift to him was a longsword.
The developers were the ones who said that the elves kept some information by writing it down on scraps of paper - it's not conjecture. Also, Shartan and the elves freed themselves.
Furthermore, let's not start saying that the elves owe a debt to the Maker, or anything like that; they were under no obligation to follow the shemlen religion. Shartan and his people gained their freedom, then they fought alongside Andraste and the humans; they all battled the Imperium together. The elves earned a homeland through their blood, sweat, and tears.
That description of the journey and the life he had led before by an elf eye witness, is just what I would have thought. He was no mage. He was just an ordinary guy who wanted to get away from the terrible life in Tevinter. He wept when he reached his destination. It strikes me very much the same sort of reaction you might get today from any city elf but particularly one who had come from Tevinter. He got there because he just wanted a home. People didn't make it largely because they died on route, not because they were weak willed or not sufficiently elven. I can't think that following the "old ways" would matter as much to that person as simply being able to live in peace. And I doubt he would think that reaching his home was a "reward" from the Creators. I doubt actually that he would think of any god being responsible at all.
It's the religion of the elven people; I don't understand what's so vexing about the elves wanting to follow their own gods.
I kind of want to read TME just to learn about certain things, but even thinking about it makes my rage rise.
You need to read the damn book cause you are missing a whole bunch of nuances and tidbits of info that would undoubtedly strengthen your arguments. Secondhand info only does so much.
I kind of want to read TME just to learn about certain things, but even thinking about it makes my rage rise.
Wait, you make all these harsh judgments about people because of a book you haven't even read yet?
Nonsense.
Indeed, the people of Red Crossing could say otherwise.
What would you think about Rommel?
I don't remember much of what I've heard in documentaries about him and I only skimmed his wiki page to refresh my memory, but he seemed like a good man in a time that was... complicated. He ignored orders that were distinctly inhumane and treated his prisoners humanely, correct?
Indeed, the people of Red Crossing could say otherwise.
And the people affected by Zarathian's curse.
And the people affected by Velanna's vendetta.
And the people attacked by the hostile Dalish clans.
I never said the plan would be easy. Doesn't mean they shouldn't try. Until the Dalish do try, I consider any of the "We care for the City Elves" lines to be lies they tell themselves to feel better.
I don't think the Dalish lifestyle affords them the luxury to keep trying.
I kind of want to read TME just to learn about certain things, but even thinking about it makes my rage rise.
A lot of it made me super-angry too, but it's worth gritting your teeth and pushing through it for what we learn about the elves, and Felassan as a character. He really is *that good*.
You need to read the damn book cause you are missing a whole bunch of nuances and tidbits of info that would undoubtedly strengthen your arguments. Secondhand info only does so much.
I don't want to die of apoplexy before the game comes out. I appreciate the suggestion, but I started virulently hating Orlais from the very first page of the leaked preview, and that was before I knew about any actual disgusting plot elements, of which there are several. It just pushes too many anger buttons for me. Sorry.
And the people attacked by the hostile Dalish clans.
"I took the road north from Val Royeaux toward Nevarra with a merchant caravan. A scant two days past the Orlesian border, we were beset by bandits. They struck without warning from the cover of the trees, hammering our wagons with arrows, killing most of the caravan guards instantly. The few who survived the arrow storm drew their blades and charged into the trees after our attackers. We heard screams muffled by the forest, and then nothing more of those men.
After a long silence, the bandits appeared. Elves covered in tattoos and dressed in hides, they looted all the supplies and valuables they could carry from the merchants and disappeared back into the trees."
-Brother Genitivi
Indeed, the people of Red Crossing could say otherwise.
Unless it was in retaliation against human incursion into the Dales, as the elves claimed.
Indeed, the people of Red Crossing could say otherwise.
Aligned with the Chantry which had shown its hostility, and there was no way to face the Chantry without fighting Orlais. The alternative was a slower extinction.
And the people affected by Zarathian's curse.
And the people affected by Velanna's vendetta.
And the people attacked by the hostile Dalish clans.
This is exactly like blaming the entire Chantry for Petrice and Alrik.
I don't want to die of apoplexy before the game comes out. I appreciate the suggestion, but I started virulently hating Orlais from the very first page of the leaked preview, and that was before I knew about any actual disgusting plot elements, of which there are several. It just pushes too many anger buttons for me. Sorry.
It's fine. It's just that, Briala's issues aside, I think you'd enjoy the book. Granted, I go cross eyed at a bunch of the Orlesian crap, but I still enjoyed the novel greatly because it seriously expanded the lore of the world.
I don't think the Dalish lifestyle affords them the luxury to keep trying.
Then as I said, I don't take their claims as genuine then.
This is exactly like blaming the entire Chantry for Petrice and Alrik.
Sasha was merely replying to your assertion that the Dalish have only attacked people in response, never out of aggression.
"I took the road north from Val Royeaux toward Nevarra with a merchant caravan. A scant two days past the Orlesian border, we were beset by bandits. They struck without warning from the cover of the trees, hammering our wagons with arrows, killing most of the caravan guards instantly. The few who survived the arrow storm drew their blades and charged into the trees after our attackers. We heard screams muffled by the forest, and then nothing more of those men.
After a long silence, the bandits appeared. Elves covered in tattoos and dressed in hides, they looted all the supplies and valuables they could carry from the merchants and disappeared back into the trees."
-Brother Genitivi
Another B. Genitivi text:
This is exactly like blaming the entire Chantry for Petrice and Alrik.
You claimed the Dalish only ever acted hostile in defense. I was proving you wrong.
It's fine. It's just that, Briala's issues aside, I think you'd enjoy the book. Granted, I go cross eyed at this a bunch of the Orlesian crap, but I still enjoyed the novel greatly because it seriously expanded the lore of the world.
At far too high a cost. I don't think there's anything enjoyable about this garbage.
You claimed the Dalish only ever acted hostile in defense. I was proving you wrong.
Yes, just like claiming that human bandits somehow slander the entire character of Ferelden?
I'm very happy to play Dalish.I like city elves , I've played one in DAO.
But I don't know playing a dude who spend most of his life in a forest , meeting people like Varric , Sera , Vivienne , Dorian etc...
Also someone who's being taugh to be proud of who he is all his life , suddenly is going to end up in a very hostile environments where people are going to look down on him.
I mean city elves are used to this.
My Dalish is going to go crazy , seeing elves around him being mistreated , or even hearing people calling him names...
I don't know I feel I'm going to have a lot of fun with the culture shock.
I know how you feel. I'm hoping that we get a chance to actually express feelings like this, but I don't know how much race-specific dialogue we'll actually get. The Inquisitor seems like she/he might be a fairly generic character with 3 tones of speech and nothing else. Racial differences might be cosmetic or limited to what others say to or about you, and our roleplaying might take the form of decisions we make rather than what we communicate verbally. I'm not very optimistic, but we'll see.
I mean, are we even sure that we'll see the clan that the Dalish Inquisitor comes from? Didn't they say that the game starts at the peace conference and we'll have no background scenes at all? I guess we could just stumble across the clan later on in the game or something... I dunno.
Another B. Genitivi text:
Spoiler
Fair point. There's more than one side to the Dalish. I wasn't saying the Dalish are always aggresive though. I was merely providing another point to bolster Sasha's own example to prove that the Dalish are not always reactionary, sometimes they are indeed aggressive.
Yes, just like claiming that human bandits somehow slander the entire character of Ferelden?
I never claimed that Fereldens never act hostile and only attack in defense, did I?
Then as I said, I don't take their claims as genuine then.
Well, I don't believe that applies in general.
An individual Clan is just more concerned with its own survival. They see their way of life as empowering but it also disempowers at the same time.
I feel like the overarching ethnic philosophy of Dragon Age can be summed up in one sentence:
"If you look for an ******* in a crowd of people, you will always find at least one."
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