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[Magdalena11]

I am going to go to sleep with the mental image of Leliana, bedecked in chantry robes and surrounded by a nimbus of light signifying the maker's favor,  confounded by the internet,

[Who Knows]

I'm okay with Leliana and Cullen as advisers (well, at least ignoring being able to fight Leliana in DA:O), so as long as I am not forced to support the Chantry.

[Ellyria]

all in favour of a smack advisor button say aye

 

AYE!

 

Read that as "smack advisors' butt"... I approve.

[LobselVith8]

I'm okay with Leliana and Cullen as advisers (well, at least ignoring being able to fight Leliana in DA:O), so as long as I am not forced to support the Chantry.

 

I'm highly doubtful the Inquisitor will be forced to support the Chantry when the Inquisition is supposed to be neutral, especially given the inclusion of the Dalish and Vashoth as optional racial choices.

[Dirgegun]

Got no problem with either Cullen or Josephine as advisors.  I'm already convinced that Cullen is badass and plan on romancing him with multiple inquisitors, eventually.  His experience in Ferelden and Kirkwall will make him golden in my book.  I'm frankly hoping that sooner or later someone's going to acknowledge that they screwed up when they made an NPC able to do things a PC couldn't.  Amazingly enough, being confronted with one's inadequacies on a daily basis is very little motivation to continue said pursuits.

 

As I said.  I'm totally cool if I can ignore Leliana's existence and miss out on content.  I just think it cheapens the previous games when a character who could have died is miraculously resurrceted for plot reasons.  Fess up already.  Somebody liked her and she's unkillable.  It would have been ever so much easier to design a completely new character that did the same job, but she's special to someone.  Got it.  Moving on from there and back to my original question, I think I'll just pretend she doesn't exist.  Only my game suffers and I'll get what I asked for, whatever the result.

 

This is so late, but...

 

To be fair she can 'die' right next to the sacred ashes. So it's not like her 'resurrection' was entirely random-- and before we throw around the 'fact' she can be decapitated, it was just a cool finisher that was thrown in to look, well, cool. The writing was done before those animations were thrown in, and I don't believe the writing should have to heed something like that anyway. It was a throw away gimmick that was added for cool factor and that was it.

 

As for how 'chosen' she is by the maker, you have to remember she just happened to have a dream that coincided with a rose that happened to be blooming. She interpreted it as the maker choosing her, but it could have easily been a coincidence. And with what happens to the Inquisitor and how people will respond? Some believing they're the chosen one? I think it will be easy to play an Inquisitor that believes they're a Maker's chosen. 

 

In fact, knowing Leliana's beliefs, she'll probably believe that you've been chosen by the maker, while Cass will take a more suspicious and practical view in contrast. I can imagine them fighting over it.

[Former_Fiend]

This is so late, but...

 

To be fair she can 'die' right next to the sacred ashes. So it's not like her 'resurrection' was entirely random-- and before we throw around the 'fact' she can be decapitated, it was just a cool finisher that was thrown in to look, well, cool. The writing was done before those animations were thrown in, and I don't believe the writing should have to heed something like that anyway. It was a throw away gimmick that was added for cool factor and that was it.

 

As for how 'chosen' she is by the maker, you have to remember she just happened to have a dream that coincided with a rose that happened to be blooming. She interpreted it as the maker choosing her, but it could have easily been a coincidence. And with what happens to the Inquisitor and how people will respond? Some believing they're the chosen one? I think it will be easy to play an Inquisitor that believes they're a Maker's chosen. 

 

In fact, knowing Leliana's beliefs, she'll probably believe that you've been chosen by the maker, while Cass will take a more suspicious and practical view in contrast. I can imagine them fighting over it.

 

She can also die back in camp, miles away from the Urn.

 

Honestly I'm not particularly upset about it, myself. Never killed her, and I understand every now and then they're going to have to make a choice that selects a hard canon. 

 

I'm just curious as to whether or not they're going to bother to explain it and how they'll explain it if they do; did she actually die and get resurrected? Did the warden just not finish the job? Or are they going to declare that they never came to blows at all?

 

That's a question I want answered.

[Who Knows]

Leliana: Do all rogues look the same to you?

[LobselVith8]

This is so late, but...

 

To be fair she can 'die' right next to the sacred ashes. So it's not like her 'resurrection' was entirely random-- and before we throw around the 'fact' she can be decapitated, it was just a cool finisher that was thrown in to look, well, cool. The writing was done before those animations were thrown in, and I don't believe the writing should have to heed something like that anyway. It was a throw away gimmick that was added for cool factor and that was it.

 

The ashes that have dragon blood in them? In the room where there are already decaying corpses? I'm not sure what the actual reveal will be, but the developers have said Leliana's resurrection would be explained, so for people who killed her with their respective Warden, I suppose they have to wait and see how it's actually revealed.

 

As for how 'chosen' she is by the maker, you have to remember she just happened to have a dream that coincided with a rose that happened to be blooming. She interpreted it as the maker choosing her, but it could have easily been a coincidence. And with what happens to the Inquisitor and how people will respond? Some believing they're the chosen one? I think it will be easy to play an Inquisitor that believes they're a Maker's chosen.

 

Or an elven Inquisitor who believes he has been given a gift by the Creators to end the crisis with the Beyond. I'm sure the Chantry is going to love an elf (especially a mage) with vallaslin talking about his faith in the elven gods.

 

In fact, knowing Leliana's beliefs, she'll probably believe that you've been chosen by the maker, while Cass will take a more suspicious and practical view in contrast. I can imagine them fighting over it.

 

Quite possibly. Leliana does seem quite religious, so I can see her having that interpretation.

[LaughingWolf]

I think it was said that all members of the Inquisition can leave except for one member. I don't know if that means we can kick them out, or they have to choose to leave, or neither or both?
I guess we'll have to find out in November.

[Dirgegun]

She can also die back in camp, miles away from the Urn.

 

Honestly I'm not particularly upset about it, myself. Never killed her, and I understand every now and then they're going to have to make a choice that selects a hard canon. 

 

I'm just curious as to whether or not they're going to bother to explain it and how they'll explain it if they do; did she actually die and get resurrected? Did the warden just not finish the job? Or are they going to declare that they never came to blows at all?

 

That's a question I want answered.

 

Oh, can she? I've never taken that route, so I had no idea. I thought she can only 'die' at the Sacred Ashes and if you leave her in Lothering. Well, consider me corrected!

 

I imagine it will come down to Lelianna escapes Lothering, despite what rumours say, she used the Sacred Ashes to heal herself, or the Warden simply didn't finish her. Perhaps it will be made hardcanon that the Warden couldn't finish her because of a budding friendship, though I can see people who are adamant that their character despise Leliana being angry about that.

[Former_Fiend]

I think it was said that all members of the Inquisition can leave except for one member. I don't know if that means we can kick them out, or they have to choose to leave, or neither or both?
I guess we'll have to find out in November.

 

All the companions can leave except for one(popular guess being Cassandra).

[TheKomandorShepard]

She can also die back in camp, miles away from the Urn.

 

Honestly I'm not particularly upset about it, myself. Never killed her, and I understand every now and then they're going to have to make a choice that selects a hard canon. 

 

I'm just curious as to whether or not they're going to bother to explain it and how they'll explain it if they do; did she actually die and get resurrected? Did the warden just not finish the job? Or are they going to declare that they never came to blows at all?

 

That's a question I want answered.

 

She can't die in camp im pretty sure (or at least i tried to kill her but you can't even if you get -100 she just leave).

Warden already screwd up in killing oghren and morrigan (morrigan kill was plot stupidity),

[Icy Magebane]

I think it was said that all members of the Inquisition can leave except for one member. I don't know if that means we can kick them out, or they have to choose to leave, or neither or both?
I guess we'll have to find out in November.

I got the impression that it's harder than just saying "I want you gone."  There's some interview where one of the devs mentions that it can be done, but you'd have to be specifically trying to push everyone past the breaking point.  So to me it sounds like it's totally dependent on a) reaching a certain amount of disapproval, and b] whether you even agree to let them follow you in the first place.  Not that any of that applies to advisors, who can't be dismissed and won't leave.

 

Edit:  deleted random emoticon...

[Former_Fiend]

Oh, can she? I've never taken that route, so I had no idea. I thought she can only 'die' at the Sacred Ashes and if you leave her in Lothering. Well, consider me corrected!

 

I imagine it will come down to Lelianna escapes Lothering, despite what rumours say, she used the Sacred Ashes to heal herself, or the Warden simply didn't finish her. Perhaps it will be made hardcanon that the Warden couldn't finish her because of a budding friendship, though I can see people who are adamant that their character despise Leliana being angry about that.

 

I've never done it myself, either, but I'm given to understand that if you destroy the ashes without her in the party and go on to talk to her about it in camp, there are dialogue options that lead to combat that ends in her death.

[Dirgegun]

The ashes that have dragon blood in them? In the room where there are already decaying corpses? I'm not sure what the actual reveal will be, but the developers have said Leliana's resurrection would be explained, so for people who killed her with their respective Warden, I suppose they have to wait and see how it's actually revealed.

 

 

Or an elven Inquisitor who believes he has been given a gift by the Creators to end the crisis with the Beyond. I'm sure the Chantry is going to love an elf (especially a mage) with vallaslin talking about his faith in the elven gods.

 

 

Quite possibly. Leliana does seem quite religious, so I can see her having that interpretation.

 

Right, right. I forgot about that, which means it's time I re-play it. I suppose we have to wait and find out?

 

(Though I suppose it's also possible the dragon's blood didn't defile them like they thought, and the Ashes still work afterwards.)

 

And a Dalish believing they've been chosen by the Creators would make a really interesting playthrough! Here's hoping they didn't forget about that!

[LobselVith8]

Right, right. I forgot about that, which means it's time I re-play it. I suppose we have to wait and find out?

 

I suppose, but I'll have to find out here, as it's an option I never pursued with my canon Warden. None of my companions perished, not even Loghain.

 

And a Dalish believing they've been chosen by the Creators would make a really interesting playthrough! Here's hoping they didn't forget about that!

 

Here's hoping the different racial backgrounds can have their own comments about being able to close the tears in the Beyond!

[Palidane]

I don't understand any of these criticisms. Apparently Magdalena doesn't like Leliana because she thought you needed her to get Sten... even though you don't...

 

And how is that even a valid complaint? Leliana tells you she has unique skills that will come in handy, you can't reject her without also rejecting her talents. You're in the middle of a blight, you don't get to be picky when it comes to help. I'm not a fan of "Communist Automaton" Sten, but he's good with a sword, so I always pick him up.

[Magdalena11]

No, I've never actually gotten up the nerve to do her off.  I promise myself that I really will this time and wind up leaving her in camp for sacred ashes.  I've played the Kolgrim thing to get the reaper specialization, but I always wind up reloading, just because.  Male or female, her romance arc holds interest only in the fact that it's not Morrigan.  If I want a straight male warden, I feel like it's either bat-sh*t  or betrayal.  Here's to loving the concept of 8 options this time!

[Palidane]

That's 8 options total. For anyone person, it won't be more than 3, which isn't much better than the other games.

 

And what other reasons do you have to dislike Leliana?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's 8 options total. For anyone person, it won't be more than 3, which isn't much better than the other games.

 

And what other reasons do you have to dislike Leliana?

Well, unless you are a bisexual in which case you get 6. 

[LobselVith8]

I don't understand any of these criticisms. Apparently Magdalena doesn't like Leliana because she thought you needed her to get Sten... even though you don't...

 

And how is that even a valid complaint? Leliana tells you she has unique skills that will come in handy, you can't reject her without also rejecting her talents. You're in the middle of a blight, you don't get to be picky when it comes to help. I'm not a fan of "Communist Automaton" Sten, but he's good with a sword, so I always pick him up.

 

Magdalena provided different reasons on the first page when she explained how she felt. I don't see the big deal. It's not as though the whole incident involving the massacre of thousands of elves in Halamshiral hasn't caused some people to frown upon Leliana, Divine Justinia, and Celene. The revelation about Isabela letting slaves drown to save her life rubbed people the wrong way, too, while others were willing to look past that due to who Isabela became. Some people just don't like some of the characters for one reason or another.

[Killdren88]

A shame..but I'm not giving up. One way or another I will get rid of Cullen.

[Palidane]

Magdalena provided different reasons on the first page when she explained how she felt. I don't see the big deal. It's not as though the whole incident involving the massacre of thousands of elves in Halamshiral hasn't caused some people to frown upon Leliana, Divine Justinia, and Celene. The revelation about Isabela letting slaves drown to save her life rubbed people the wrong way, too, while others were willing to look past that due to who Isabela became. Some people just don't like some of the characters for one reason or another.

 All I got out of it was "insecurity" and "lust for blood". Needs clarification.

 

Anyway, what did the Chantry have to do with Halamshiral? IIRC, Leliana just told Celene to handle it, and Celene decided to commence with the massacring. Not that I'm necessarily opposed to what happened, I just don't see how they were involved.

[LobselVith8]

 All I got out of it was "insecurity" and "lust for blood". Needs clarification.

 

Anyway, what did the Chantry have to do with Halamshiral? IIRC, Leliana just told Celene to handle it, and Celene decided to commence with the massacring. Not that I'm necessarily opposed to what happened, I just don't see how they were involved.

 

Some people frown on the characters due to their involvement. The entire scene made it clear that Leliana wasn't unaware that bad things would happen to the elves; she's been a bard for quite some time, and her discomfort was made explicitly clear in the scene. Leliana made it crystal clear to the Empress that the Divine expected the elven situation quelled in exchange for assistance with the mages, and Celene said she understood. It's why you have some threads where some players express having disdain for Leliana or Justinia due to what transpired in Halamshiral (which was even brought up in the Leliana thread some weeks ago).

[LadySatsuki]

Read that as "smack advisors' butt"... I approve.

 

Indeed!

 

A shame..but I'm not giving up. One way or another I will get rid of Cullen.

 

Don't be so mean. If you don't like him just don't talk to him or use him.