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[Palidane]

Some people frown on the characters due to their involvement. The entire scene made it clear that Leliana wasn't unaware that bad things would happen to the elves; she's been a bard for quite some time, and her discomfort was made explicitly clear in the scene. Leliana made it crystal clear to the Empress that the Divine expected the elven situation quelled in exchange for assistance with the mages, and Celene said she understood. It's why you have some threads where some players express having disdain for Leliana or Justinia due to what transpired in Halamshiral (which was even brought up in the Leliana thread some weeks ago).

Ahh. Thanks, I took a break from the boards for a while, I must have missed it.

 

Yeah, I see your point. The thing is, there was only one way that was going to go down. You start a rebellion, the government has to stop you. They can't let their authority be challenged. I will say that for a person who thinks of herself as "cultured", Celene was awful quick to jump to fire and blood as a solution.

[Magdalena11]

To be clear: I do in fact realize that you don't need her to get Sten in your party and have discovered that it's possible to pretty much ignore Leliana for most of the game and just give her pretties to make her happy.  I feel no personal animosity toward her other than the fact that she's got plot armor.  If she'd been Sten or Zevran I would never have even bothered, since neither of them matters as far as BW is concerned.  Love them or leave them, whatever.  We already know Zev isn't coming back for DA:I.  Anyone want to give odds for Sten?

[Palidane]

I'll agree to the plot armor. I don't think her "death" was handled very well by Bioware at all, but I think a lot of people need to let it go. Come on, it couldn't have been all that popular a choice anyway.

 

As for Sten, I don't know. I could see him showing up in one of Iron Bull's companion missions.

[LobselVith8]

Ahh. Thanks, I took a break from the boards for a while, I must have missed it.

 

I took a break as well for a few months, but I've caught glimpses here and there when I returned, since it was also mentioned as part of another OP that was written roughly a month ago.

 

Yeah, I see your point. The thing is, there was only one way that was going to go down. You start a rebellion, the government has to stop you. They can't let their authority be challenged. I will say that for a person who thinks of herself as "cultured", Celene was awful quick to jump to fire and blood as a solution.

 

While I was admittedly involved in the discussion at the Leliana thread, it was simply to say (in response to another poster who brought it up) that I could understand why an elven Inquisitor would have an issue with Leliana if her involvement in Halamshiral was addressed in the storyline, although that in itself became a debate (for some reason).

[Palidane]

While I was admittedly involved in the discussion at the Leliana thread, it was simply to say (in response to another poster who brought it up) that I could understand why an elven Inquisitor would have an issue with Leliana if her involvement in Halamshiral was addressed in the storyline, although that in itself became a debate (for some reason).

I see no reason why it would come up. Only three people knew of their involvement, and one of them is almost certainly dead. I can't see Leliana letting slip that she encouraged the Empress to smite a bunch of elves.

[LobselVith8]

I see no reason why it would come up. Only three people knew of their involvement, and one of them is almost certainly dead. I can't see Leliana letting slip that she encouraged the Empress to smite a bunch of elves.

 

I pretty much said the same thing in the Leliana thread. I don't imagine it will come up in Inquisition. I can understand why it colors how some people view her, but I'm the type who prefers approaching things from the perspective of my character, and not use outside knowledge to determine how I respond to certain characters in the storyline.

[Chari]

You... have a problem o_o
Though I will wouldn't mind replacing Cullen. The dude is boring as damn

[Panda]

The plot armor thing is tricky and I think it kinda takes away from gameplay. I'm not fan of killing companions but story-wise it doesn't make sense to give you choice to kill someone and then in next game they are there like nothing happened. Maybe BW should starting to limit options to kill off characters that they want to use in their upcoming games or then change the next games so that it has both option of having that guy alive or dead. With major characters this would be very hard though.

[themageguy]

If you're a mage id bet you could literally 'fire' them

Still this would add an interesting dimension to the game. Perhaps if you could you might miss out on specific missions or on ways to resolve a conflict.

[LobselVith8]

The plot armor thing is tricky and I think it kinda takes away from gameplay. I'm not fan of killing companions but story-wise it doesn't make sense to give you choice to kill someone and then in next game they are there like nothing happened. Maybe BW should starting to limit options to kill off characters that they want to use in their upcoming games or then change the next games so that it has both option of having that guy alive or dead. With major characters this would be very hard though.

 

That can make the protagonist seem impotent, however, when dealing with someone who the main character can logically kill (and who can have good reason to), but doesn't because the Plot Dictates (like Petrice in the abandoned hovel, right after she confesses that she wants to start a religious conflict, even if it means getting innocent people killed to ignite it).

[Icy Magebane]

That can make the protagonist seem impotent, however, when dealing with someone who the main character can logically kill (and who can have good reason to), but doesn't because the Plot Dictates (like Petrice in the abandoned hovel, right after she confesses that she wants to start a religious conflict, even if it means getting innocent people killed to ignite it).

I want to agree with that, but don't you remember how powerful Ser Varnell was when you actually fought him?  No way Hawke and his buddies would have survived fighting him in the first Act...  He's the reason she wasn't worried about recruiting random thugs in Lowtown.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

lol and we as inquisitor are qualified? Someone who just pops out of the fade with glow hands...I think Cullen qualifies more than we do.

 

What? Someone who just pops out of the fade with glow hands and is the only one capable of actually closing the tears and saving the world from demon invasions is less qualified than someone who served under a corrupt Knight Commander for years?

 

Yep you're right.
 

[Pierce Miller]

What? Someone who just pops out of the fade with glow hands and is the only one capable of actually closing the tears and saving the world from demon invasions is less qualified than someone who served under a corrupt Knight Commander for years?

 

Yep you're right.
 

We actually don't know that much about our backgrounds yet, we could be quite experienced combatants who knows.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

[HK-90210]

If you want to run your inquisition entirely on your own, I guess. I mean, your spymaster is gone, so there's no telling who is out to assassinate you, and nobody to make sure you can get any solid intel. Your military commander is gone, so nobody is telling your army what to do, or training new recruits to replace the poor buggers who keep dying because of the traps they fall in because, well, you have no solid intel.

 

And I guess, if you wanted to handle all the diplomatic invites yourself, you can feel free. Doesn't leave much time for exploring the hinterlands, though.

 

I guess what I'm really saying is that your advisers are sort of replaceable. So gameplay-wise, I think they are stuck with you until the end. Into the very fires of Mordor.

 

Also, I think Cassandra is around, whether you want her to be or not. Kind of like Varric in DA2. No matter what you do, no matter how you treat him like garbage, he's always around. All the other companions I can see leaving, for one reason or another. But not Cass.

[Magdalena11]

I agree that I think Cass is going to hang in there until the bitter end.  Not sure how I'll wind up using my advisors (since I really don't want to tie one hand behind my back on my first playthrough) but I'm sure I will wind up using each.

[LobselVith8]

I agree that I think Cass is going to hang in there until the bitter end.  Not sure how I'll wind up using my advisors (since I really don't want to tie one hand behind my back on my first playthrough) but I'm sure I will wind up using each.

 

I agree. Cassandra is likely the one companion who will remain until the end, simply given her role in apparently constructing the proto-Inquisition that exists prior to the protagonist becoming the Inquisitor.