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[Xandurpein]

I think that the whole idea that the Couslands have been "staunch loyalists for centuries" should be taken with a huge grain of salt. I think it's quite a bit of a retcon. History seems to contradict it. The Couslands are the second most powerful family in Ferelden and the only way up for a Cousland teyrn is the throne.

I agree that if Fergus has been fed it during his lessons he might even believe it, but I think that if Anora would die while Alistair was still alive, having been a non-entity for over a decade, there's no way he would be considered a serious contender for the throne, especially if Eamon is dead.

Royal blood sometimes carries less weight than realpolitik.

[TK514]

Fergus also makes sense, from a purely practical viewpoint, because he's proven that he can produce heirs.

 

And being a Therin loyalist only matters if there are eligible Therins to be loyal to.

[Sifr]

I think that the whole idea that the Couslands have been "staunch loyalists for centuries" should be taken with a huge grain of salt. I think it's quite a bit of a retcon. History seems to contradict it. The Couslands are the second most powerful family in Ferelden and the only way up for a Cousland teyrn is the throne.

 

The Couslands are suggested to have only rebelled only during the noble rebellion against King Arland, but whether or not it was a rebellion that was warranted we're not sure of not, as the only person from that time (Avernus) admits that there is no proof of his claims. Similarly, we know that the Cousland's initially resisted Calenhad's attempt to takeover Ferelden, but eventually swore fealty to him.

 

Aside from that, you're right that it might be a stretch to say that they have all been loyalists to the Theirins. It might be more appropriate to say that they're probably more loyal to Ferelden itself, with whoever is currently sitting on the throne coming a close second.

 

Aside from the Cousland who took over from Conobar after Flemeth murdered his entire line, I don't see them as being as opportunistic as the Howes have traditionally been however. It could just be pragmatism, as it's easier being the second most powerful family in the land, as you're free from all the complex intrigue of royal life and people gunning for you if you fail. And it's worth nothing that the Teyrn Cousland during Arland's time supposedly fought to put Sophia Dryden on the throne, not himself... although who's to say if he might have betrayed her in the end, after she did all the hard work?

[KC_Prototype]

In Awakening she seemed to actually care about the Warden though.  

As for the latter, it was suggested by someone she might attempt a coup, I personally think it's far fetched but still plausible.

Do you think the prison guards will let her out? And if she doesn't have a child by DAI, I think she's truly infertile. My Warden would of been with her for at least 6 years, something had to happen.

[KC_Prototype]

What affect will a King Cousland have on Anora in DAI? I am interested in finding out.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Do you think the prison guards will let her out? And if she doesn't have a child by DAI, I think she's truly infertile. My Warden would of been with her for at least 6 years, something had to happen.

I truly do believe that Anora is in fact infertile, it's this hunch and my hunches are usually quite accurate

[Lukas Trevelyan]

What affect will a King Cousland have on Anora in DAI? I am interested in finding out.

Yup it's my canon playthrough. While I don't hope for something specific, I do hope Bioware doesn't mess it up.

[KC_Prototype]

Yup it's my canon playthrough. While I don't hope for something specific, I do hope Bioware doesn't mess it up.

Same, I hope she has more than a cameo role

[KC_Prototype]

I truly do believe that Anora is in fact infertile, it's this hunch and my hunches are usually quite accurate

Then having Leliana as my mistress was a great idea

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Then having Leliana as my mistress was a great idea

I wish I could just marry her, I find the concept of mistresses completely wrong for my warden. Needless to say my warden broke up with everyone before he married Anora xD

[CrazyGobstopper]

Do you think the prison guards will let her out? And if she doesn't have a child by DAI, I think she's truly infertile. My Warden would of been with her for at least 6 years, something had to happen.

The taint affects Warden fertility. The length of time wouldn't necessarily matter.

[Xandurpein]

The taint affects Warden fertility. The length of time wouldn't necessarily matter.

I don't belive in coincidences. All four people who can end up on the throne are either known, or heavily hinted to have severe fertility issues. If Bioware wants to write game that takes place in tFerelden a generation or two after Orgins, they can say that whoever ruled Ferelden had no heir and the same person became the new King or queen, regardless of our choices, which will simplify the design considerably.

[TEWR]

The Couslands are suggested to have only rebelled only during the noble rebellion against King Arland, but whether or not it was a rebellion that was warranted we're not sure of not, as the only person from that time (Avernus) admits that there is no proof of his claims. Similarly, we know that the Cousland's initially resisted Calenhad's attempt to takeover Ferelden, but eventually swore fealty to him.

 

Aside from that, you're right that it might be a stretch to say that they have all been loyalists to the Theirins. It might be more appropriate to say that they're probably more loyal to Ferelden itself, with whoever is currently sitting on the throne coming a close second.

 

Aside from the Cousland who took over from Conobar after Flemeth murdered his entire line, I don't see them as being as opportunistic as the Howes have traditionally been however. It could just be pragmatism, as it's easier being the second most powerful family in the land, as you're free from all the complex intrigue of royal life and people gunning for you if you fail. And it's worth nothing that the Teyrn Cousland during Arland's time supposedly fought to put Sophia Dryden on the throne, not himself... although who's to say if he might have betrayed her in the end, after she did all the hard work?

 

I don't necessarily think it's contradictory for the Couslands of the time to have rebelled against Arland. He was a tyrant. The only thing Avernus says there isn't proof of are in regards to his claims of Sophia Dryden's character, not the actual history associated with Arland. We come across a note written by Bann Mathuinn Wulff that pleads for Sophia Dryden to intervene because an entire line was wiped out to the last child for criticizing Arland's spending on Wintersend.

 

Note that Sophia Dryden is also possessed of Theirin blood. This is why she was a contender for the throne. Prior to Arland's coronation, no clear successor was in sight. Sophia and Arland were cousins. In that sense, the Couslands would still be royalists. They'd be advocating a sane Theirin be put on the throne (this is assuming the ardent royalist thing wasn't a matter that arose recently).

 

At the same time though, we mustn't ignore how Avernus says he used his blood magic on the nobles (Teyrn Cousland among them) to coax them into choosing to side with them. It wasn't overt mind control, but more a helpful nudge along the way.

[KC_Prototype]

The taint affects Warden fertility. The length of time wouldn't necessarily matter.

Still a possibility. And Morrigan's gift at the end of Witch Hunt could get rid of the taint. 

[congokong]

While Anora may be a capable ruler I fear she truly is her father's daughter. You learn this if you refuse to support her as queen/and or say Loghain has to pay for his crimes in Origins. She'll proceed to slander you at the Landsmeet. When you confront her on this she'll say she did what was necessary for Ferelden and couldn't let Alistair ruin the country. This sounds remarkably like Loghain's opinion of Cailan.She has Loghain's arrogance of how only she could protect the realm and like Loghain misuses the term necessary.

[ButterRum]

Ya'll are talking about offspring taking over the throne, but in Thedas it seems the characters get backstabbed by another faction before their offspring can take over.... ??

Also, I love Anora. She is one of my favorites in DAO, and I am so excited for her appearance in DAI!

[Sarcastic Tasha]

While Anora may be a capable ruler I fear she truly is her father's daughter. You learn this if you refuse to support her as queen/and or say Loghain has to pay for his crimes in Origins. She'll proceed to slander you at the Landsmeet. When you confront her on this she'll say she did what was necessary for Ferelden and couldn't let Alistair ruin the country. This sounds remarkably like Loghain's opinion of Cailan.She has Loghain's arrogance of how only she could protect the realm and like Loghain misuses the term necessary.

I agree that she does take after her father but I see that as a good thing.

I remember the first time I played origins, my sister was also playing it and between the two of us you couldn't have got more differing opinions about Anora. My warden messed up saving the mages and had to use blood magic to save Connor which caused a big argument between her and Alistair. So my warden was supporting Anora for the throne. Whereas my sister's warden was romancing Alistair so was supporting him for the throne. My sister saw Anora a backstabber but I disagree. Anora had every reason to go against the warden. In the words of Cersei Lannister "when you play the game of thrones you win or you die." Anora had to win or risk death. We know that Anora is willing to have Alistair executed if she wins so it's only logical that she would expect to face execution if she lost.

[Spicen]

I agree that she does take after her father but I see that as a good thing.

I remember the first time I played origins, my sister was also playing it and between the two of us you couldn't have got more differing opinions about Anora. My warden messed up saving the mages and had to use blood magic to save Connor which caused a big argument between her and Alistair. So my warden was supporting Anora for the throne. Whereas my sister's warden was romancing Alistair so was supporting him for the throne. My sister saw Anora a backstabber but I disagree. Anora had every reason to go against the warden. In the words of Cersei Lannister "when you play the game of thrones you win or you die." Anora had to win or risk death. We know that Anora is willing to have Alistair executed if she wins so it's only logical that she would expect to face execution if she lost.

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[Spicen]

I agree that she does take after her father but I see that as a good thing.

I remember the first time I played origins, my sister was also playing it and between the two of us you couldn't have got more differing opinions about Anora. My warden messed up saving the mages and had to use blood magic to save Connor which caused a big argument between her and Alistair. So my warden was supporting Anora for the throne. Whereas my sister's warden was romancing Alistair so was supporting him for the throne. My sister saw Anora a backstabber but I disagree. Anora had every reason to go against the warden. In the words of Cersei Lannister "when you play the game of thrones you win or you die." Anora had to win or risk death. We know that Anora is willing to have Alistair executed if she wins so it's only logical that she would expect to face execution if she lost.

Considering your name i hope u are being sarcastic.
There is nothing good about a person who can sell her own father and the warden who saved her for some damned throne.
If you came with a sewer rat woman like anora you wont be defending her, you'd be calling her b1tch.
+Your sister sounds intelligent, you shud listen to what she says

[Samahl]

While Anora may be a capable ruler I fear she truly is her father's daughter. You learn this if you refuse to support her as queen/and or say Loghain has to pay for his crimes in Origins. She'll proceed to slander you at the Landsmeet.

I always had Loghain executed because I didn't want Alistair to leave, and Anora never betrayed me. I am seriously confused about everything you all are talking about.

[TEWR]

While Anora may be a capable ruler I fear she truly is her father's daughter. You learn this if you refuse to support her as queen/and or say Loghain has to pay for his crimes in Origins. She'll proceed to slander you at the Landsmeet. When you confront her on this she'll say she did what was necessary for Ferelden and couldn't let Alistair ruin the country. This sounds remarkably like Loghain's opinion of Cailan.She has Loghain's arrogance of how only she could protect the realm and like Loghain misuses the term necessary.

 

I mean, do you know what tends to happen to dethroned monarchs? It's not pretty, and Alistair is very much untrained in the art of governance (compared to her having run the country for five years). Her fearing that he wouldn't be a good ruler is very much a valid concern. And of course she'd want to keep her father alive. He's her father. IIRC, she only tries to keep him alive if you say he must die for his crimes... but I haven't played Origins in a while and the finer points aren't on my list of priorities, so perhaps the dialogue option's exact nature is something else.

[KaiserShep]

While Anora may be a capable ruler I fear she truly is her father's daughter. You learn this if you refuse to support her as queen/and or say Loghain has to pay for his crimes in Origins. She'll proceed to slander you at the Landsmeet.

 

What does she say if you refuse to support her? I can't say that I'd blame her for saying anything particularly mean-spirited, since you either showed intent to screw her over from the start, or you made a deal with her, then reneged later, making the Warden out to be rather dishonest. In my playthrough, she's only pleaded to keep Loghain alive after insisting that he die, but she never slandered the Warden for doing so.

[Ryzaki]

Yep she turns on you if you do the "no way" to letting him live. You can be all set to let her solo rule but that's what makes her turn on you.

 

Basically during the conversation she'll ask you about letting Loghain live. Choosing the "no without question." flags her to betray  you regardless of you supporting her despite that.

 

...which really was pretty stupid on her part regarding my HN warden. She was all set to give Anora the throne and call it a day after sending Loghain's head flying but then that "The warden tried to kill me!" she dug her own grave. Understandable? Yep. But oh so very stupid. 

 

I think that was my psycho queen Cousland. I don't think she'd given Anora a very good death after that.

[Samahl]

Yep she turns on you if you do the "no way" to letting him live. You can be all set to let her solo rule but that's what makes her turn on you.
 
...which really was pretty stupid on her part regarding my HN warden. She was all set to give Anora the throne and call it a day after sending Loghain's head flying but then that "The warden tried to kill me!" she dug her own grave. Understandable? Yep. But oh so very stupid. 

But she never did that for me. She just kind of accepted it.

Like... what?

[HK-90210]

Considering your name i hope u are being sarcastic.
There is nothing good about a person who can sell her own father and the warden who saved her for some damned throne.
If you came with a sewer rat woman like anora you wont be defending her, you'd be calling her b1tch.
+Your sister sounds intelligent, you shud listen to what she says

 

'For some damned Throne' from your POV, but from Anora's, it was 'To save Ferelden'. Frankly, I can't say I blame her for betraying a Warden who won't support her, either. Let's face it, it's the last card she had to play to make sure she stayed in power. Alistair is a complete unknown, a novice at leading and a person who does not want the throne. Even if he's hardened, he's very iffy on it. Anora, on the other had, has been Queen for a while, and wants it. She certainly understands a political marriage with Alistair, and goes along with it provided he agree.s It's a win-win for everyone except a Warden who's romancing Alistair. And, you know, Alistair himself too.

 

From her POV, putting Alistair on the throne alone is putting all of Ferelden at risk. And frankly, I think she's right. Even my Wardens who took issue with her attitude accepted the fact that with her on their side, the Landsmeet is a slam dunk, and a united Landsmeet means a stronger Ferelden. A political marriage between the two of them is still the most practical option, and one nearly every Warden I have takes.

 

In my opinion, anyone who puts Alistair on the throne by himself is not thinking straight. Anora can only make the throne stronger. There's no logical reason to take her off the throne. Again, in my opinion.