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#51
Lebanese Dude

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Perhaps they have been, just not in the form of a public forum post on BioWare's social site, which would be quite moronic. Or perhaps it's a matter of them actually keeping their word, which I would hope is the case. I know I would *nudge nudge*.

 

There's always that ONE guy who just messes it all up. It especially applies to those on the internet. 


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#52
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Seriously though, I don't understand why there is a need for NDA. There are no story spoilers to worry about, unless you never played the last games I guess.

Do you know for sure that there are no story spoilers? If the Keep doesn't include which dwarven king or whether you did the dark ritual, but includes 'Did Cammen end up with Lanaya Gheyna?', doesn't that sort of tell you that something about that scenario will be addressed in Inquisition? I would consider that a spoiler.

Edit: C'mon, minor NPCs from five years ago. I think slack can be cut.



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Do you know for sure that there are no story spoilers? If the Keep doesn't include which dwarven king or whether you did the dark ritual, but includes 'Did Cammen (?) end up with Lanaya?', doesn't that sort of tell you that something about that scenario will be addressed in Inquisition? I would consider that a spoiler.

Cammen and Lanaya?  I need to update to your version.


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Another reason why, in the industry there is a lot of let say "borrowing" of ideas. The longer you can hold onto something as being the only game in town the longer you can use it as a selling point. But if you give full access to someone 6 months before it is in place... well you can do a lot in 6 months.


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Do you know for sure that there are no story spoilers? If the Keep doesn't include which dwarven king or whether you did the dark ritual, but includes 'Did Cammen (?) end up with Lanaya?', doesn't that sort of tell you that something about that scenario will be addressed in Inquisition? I would consider that a spoiler.

There's no telling which of the 300 decision points will be significant or just get a one line dialogue nod. Some probably won't be mentioned at all, the Keep is intended for use with future games as well.

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Do you know for sure that there are no story spoilers? If the Keep doesn't include which dwarven king or whether you did the dark ritual, but includes 'Did Cammen (?) end up with Lanaya?', doesn't that sort of tell you that something about that scenario will be addressed in Inquisition? I would consider that a spoiler.

We already know that Sera dies at Redcliffe unless Cammen bounds with Lanaya  Gheyna.


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#57
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Why would you ask that question here?



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Setiweb

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We already know that Sera dies at Redcliffe unless Cammen bounds with Lanaya.

Bounds as in jumps or tied up?  I wonder if this is the result of telling Gehyna that Cammen screamed your name as we made love.



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Bounds as in jumps or tied up?  I wonder if this is the result of telling Gehyna that Cammen screamed your name as we made love.

 

I would not object to tied up, but we're probably getting off topic...  :crying:



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Setiweb

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It's one reason I liked the conflict DAO mods caused with DA2 imports.  Sometimes you could get that win-win situation.  With the Keep getting pushed back I wonder if problems there hand anything to do with the new release date, or if these are two unrelated problems.



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There were few if any real leaks for Sins of a Solar Empire II, and that was a total train wreck. So... there's precedent of people keeping quiet even under, hopefully, greater incentive to defect than is the case here.

-Snip-


Do you mean Rebellion? (which I like) I wasnt aware there was a NDA for the Beta (perhaps there was a closed beta before the one on steam?)

 

 

On topic: What's more to discuss? :)



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It's one reason I liked the conflict DAO mods caused with DA2 imports.  Sometimes you could get that win-win situation.  With the Keep getting pushed back I wonder if problems there hand anything to do with the new release date, or if these are two unrelated problems.

 

From dev comments I'm not reading that the Keep was behind this. The comments were (paraphrasing):

"sure the Keep gets delayed too probably, more time to polish, but we're talking about it and we'll get back to you on that..."

 

EDIT: Here we go:

 

We're still discussing what impact (if any) this will have on plans for the Keep so we don't have anything ready to share on that front right now.

 

This has nothing to do with the Keep, although they would probably appreciate the extra time as well.  :) This is about polish and making the best game we can.



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For that purpose any leak could be faked. Perhaps a "reaction video" while using the Keep. Oh wait, those can be faked too.


That would depends what their purpose was. Not all lies will serve as well as the truth for all ends. Someone who wanted to stir up meaningful criticism of Bioware's work, or leverage early information to attract a lasting community or something like that, would hardly be well served by releasing a bunch of lies that would later be found out.

Neither are all lies as easy as the truth. Certainly these things can be faked. But not by most people. Most people do not have significant technical and/or artistic abilities. In that context a leak would just be a weapon that someone had to hand rather than one they had to make.

But all that said, you're right enough that a lie is a form of power. One that frequently serves as well or better than the truth for the purposes of the person telling it. If it were not, no-one would ever bother with them ^_^

Do you mean Rebellion? (which I like) I wasnt aware there was a NDA for the Beta (perhaps there was a closed beta before the one on steam?)


Sorry, I've just been playing it and the name got stuck in my noggin' - I meant Sword of the Stars II.

Sorry! >_<

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Silence is golden.



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Sorry, i wrote that too quickly. I guess Anders' explanation for surviving the battle in Awakening makes sense. On the other hand, if you send him to the Circle instead of recruiting him into the Wardens... Maybe it'll be mandatory to recruit him in the Keep. 

 

No worries.  Just wasn't too sure what you meant is all.  :)

 

As for if you send him to the circle, my guess would be that they'll allow you to make that distinction in the Keep.  From everything the devs have said, I gather that the main goal is to ensure that they account for any and all possible variations.  At least, every variation that isn't the result of a glitch.

 

It's been said that they plan to support the Keep well after its initial release, and that they may continue to make changes to it in the future.  So, even if they overlooked that possibility thus far, I don't see why they wouldn't go back and add it to the questionaire.  Especially because I can't imagine that distinction would have too much affect on any interactions with Anders in future titles.  It would be there more for the benefit of the player saying "yes, my worldstate recognizes that I sent Anders to the Circle in Awakening!" and not really have too much impact on the overall plot - if any.  :)

 

I am not going to act like some saint. At least I am honest and I know i speak for a lot of people when I say this but I would not mind running into leaks regarding the keep. Maybe you will stay away from leaks like a nun and porn sites, but I know there is a HUGE number of people who would love to read leaks whether it is text, screenshots or videos.

 

Would I mind reading information regarding the Keep at this point in time?  Not at all.

 

Do I want any of the beta testers to break NDA?  Not one bit.

 

I'm not sure what the NDA entails, whether it be a possible banning of the player's account, or litigation, or a number of other unsavory things.  I don't wish any of that on any of the Beta testers.  But first and foremost, it'd be a huge breach of trust on the player's part.  It may affect the possibility of betas for future Bioware products - which may include even harsher NDAs, or no betas of this sort all-together.



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In the Keep you can [REDACTED], and [REDACTED]. [REDACTED] is also included.

 

And an earlier poster's comment about [REDACTED] is [REDACTED]. :P

Even if someone did start to leak, what would have you believing it's credible? I mean, I could sit here and claim to tell you everything you wanted to know about the Keep, and for all you know, I'm just some fan making WAGs.

And unless the beta testers were subject to DAI spoilers, they couldn't tell you how it translates to DAI.


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Hasn't it been announced that if Leliana died in Origins, there's a reason for her to be back in Inquisition?

 

As for Anders...  which death are you talking about?  And if you're talking about the one from Awakening, does it really matter?  0o  You don't see him die in that, it's only something you read about in the epilogue.

She can already show up in DA2 with the Exiled Prince DLC. I believe she says something like she was left for dead but the Maker had other plans for her or something to that effect. 



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The people we choose, are being respectful of the rules, is that really so hard to believe?

 

Bioware could "leak" the DA Keep personally as to whet the appetite of the DA fandom.



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Seriously, why have none of the beta testers leaked any information or screenshots of the keep yet? Have they been threatened with violence?

Idk...cause we don't wanna get sued for leaking stuff?

 

Crazy, right?


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It's one reason I liked the conflict DAO mods caused with DA2 imports.  Sometimes you could get that win-win situation.  With the Keep getting pushed back I wonder if problems there hand anything to do with the new release date, or if these are two unrelated problems.

 

It could also just be "Hey if the game is pushed back, that gets us some more time too."  (I don't actually know)


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Darn it, not only can I imagine BioWare team members' knowing Cheshire Cat faces smiling over my shoulder,

there's now a group of Keep beta testers who are nudging, smiling and saying nothing  :crying:

 

I think I'm going to have a lie down...

 

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Well...  there was one who tried, or so the story goes.

 

 

...never heard from that one again.  :ph34r:


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Well...  there was one who tried, or so the story goes.

 

 

...never heard from that one again.  :ph34r:

 

I missed out on that.


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EA have probably taken the testers families hostage.


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We already know that Sera dies at Redcliffe unless Cammen bounds with Lanaya  Gheyna.

 

Wait, what?  0o   Is this a joke?  It's sometimes hard to tell on the internet...