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[Xilizhra]

Honestly he reminds me of ...which one of them was it? Brann, I think. Brann Bronzebeard of Warcraft fame.

 

All the WoW tabletop books were written from the perspective of Brann exploring the world and visiting all these uncharted places, including some that were(or should have been) impossible to get to.

 

Damn shame Blizzard scrapped them.

They were scrapped in part because their population numbers were utterly insane, and partially because they broke canon in other ways a few too many times. I think, anyway.

[Tevinter Rose]

I love Tevinter and I'm happy Dorian can give us more info on life there, the culture. Looking forward to hopefully seeing more lore and other characters from the Imperium in the game as well. It would be awesome if Tevinter is involved in the next game or somehow involved in future dlc. Can't wait to find out more about the Venatori too.

[Former_Fiend]

They were scrapped in part because their population numbers were utterly insane, and partially because they broke canon in other ways a few too many times. I think, anyway.

 

The population numbers were screwy, but over all I felt they told a much better story than WoW did.

[Xilizhra]

The population numbers were screwy, but over all I felt they told a much better story than WoW did.

Well, not the population numbers. But much of the rest of the RPG did, I admit.

 

I actually might be interested in playing that game...

[Former_Fiend]

Well, not the population numbers. But much of the rest of the RPG did, I admit.

 

I actually might be interested in playing that game...

 

Personally I just use them for setting and story information. I prefer paizo's pathfinder system. Though I do like the WoW prestige classes.

 

 

He's like the Marco Polo of Thedas except he can end up with a knife in the back of the dome. The Antaam probably thought he was quaint and his 'Pursuit of Knowledge' amused them enough that they escorted him safely through the jungle that lies between the port and the city.

 

Getting back on topic; I've got the impression that the qunari don't actively ban people from Thedas from coming to their lands; after all they do appear to engage in some trade with other nations, if on a limited basis. 

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Straight up if the next game isn't set in Tevinter I'm going to be so mad. I've had my fill of Chantry centered countries where mages are oppressed I want the next game to have the reverse and have a setting where mages are celebrated and encouraged.

[KC_Prototype]

Tevinter is almost for sure for at least one of the nations in DA4. I also hope for Rivain and Antiva.

[themageguy]

➕10 Tevinter

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Genetivi has traveled to all corners of Thedas but I'm not sure if he's been to Qunandar. I can't remember any codex he authored describing Par Vollen first hand. The Qunari are supposedly very particular about who they allow into their homeland. I thought they only allowed some Rivaini diplomats to tour Par Vollen. He has been to northern Rivain though, he could have learned more about the Qunari there.

[Feybrad]

*clears his Throat*

 

Gooood Moring People.... and you should all

 

(...) submit to the Qun.

That is all I have to say about that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Straight up if the next game isn't set in Tevinter I'm going to be so mad. I've had my fill of Chantry centered countries where mages are oppressed I want the next game to have the reverse and have a setting where mages are celebrated and encouraged.

Then you don't want Tevinter, considering most of the population fears them since the magisters rule with a blood soaked iron fist. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Tevinter is almost for sure for at least one of the nations in DA4. I also hope for Rivain and Antiva.

I'd like Rivain and Antiva as well. Oh, and Nevarra. 

[Das Tentakel]

He's like the Marco Polo of Thedas except he can end up with a knife in the back of the dome. The Antaam probably thought he was quaint and his 'Pursuit of Knowledge' amused them enough that they escorted him safely through the jungle that lies between the port and the city.

Both Bronzebeard and Genitivi are probably 'inspired by' Volothamp Geddarm, or 'Volo' (rhymes with 'Polo'...), who was the eponymous 'author' of various guidebooks in the Forgotten Realms setting, starting with 'Volo's Guide to All Things Magical' back in 1996. Since then, using one, or at least a dominant 'guide', whose POV is used for lore exposition purposes has become something of a cliché.

[Jazzpha]

I admire Tevinter in much the same way that I admire Tywin Lannister. Do I condone everything Tevinter does? Absolutely not, some of the stuff that goes on there is pretty horrible, even by Thedas standards. But do I find them compelling, intriguing and more interestingly complex than most of the other options in Thedas, as far as cultures are concerned?

 

Absolutely.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Hold up. How did Genitivi even get in to Qunadar?

No foreigner has ever set foot in Qunandar and Par Vollen itself is off-limits to foreigners aswell.

[Xilizhra]

No foreigner has ever set foot in Qunandar and Par Vollen itself is off-limits to foreigners aswell.

What about prisoners?

[Magdalena11]

I'll confess to having a great deal of curiosity about this place that's supposed to be the last word in corruption and decadence.  I hope we get to explore it sometime.

[EmperorSahlertz]

What about prisoners?

I am just quoting what WoT says. No foreigners. I would imagine that the Qunari take any prisoners to Seheron.

[JBONE271983_Tacolover]

Huh, I thought there was an r in it.

[Jazzpha]

I'll confess to having a great deal of curiosity about this place that's supposed to be the last word in corruption and decadence.  I hope we get to explore it sometime.

 

I'm most interested in how it acquired that reputation, honestly. Tevinter seems to be very strongly patterned on the Ancient Roman Empire, which was vilified pretty thoroughly in early Christian texts for obvious reasons (and the Andrastean faith is nothing if not the most blatant analogue to Christianity I've seen in a long time).

 

As such, I have to assume that the massive negative PR blitz against Tevinter has as much to do with slander as it does with legitimate grievances against the Imperium (like slavery). Which has been mentioned by a few other people elsewhere in the forum, to give credit where it's due.

 

I mean, hell, if the Chantry and the Imperium could join together to march against the Qunari when things really started going crazy, then that tells you the division between them isn't that deep. Most of it's probably just a "we need an enemy to prop up" thing. As all religious or political orders tend to need, and the Chantry is both of those things.

[Mistic]

No foreigner has ever set foot in Qunandar and Par Vollen itself is off-limits to foreigners aswell.

 

Then, how come WoT says in the entry about Par Vollen that "the few outsiders who have seen Qunandar say the city is one of the wonders of the world"? (p84). Or Genitivi actually stating that diplomats from Rivain set foot on Par Vollen and were the first to say that Qunari have females too.

 

Only a few have managed to be there, but there are some.

 

However, it's true that there's no confirmation that Genitivi has been to Par Vollen. What he knows of the place comes from secondary sources. It doesn't mean that he hasn't meet Qunari; in fact, he found shelter in a Qunari community in Rivain in one of his travels.

[Corypheus]

Can't wait to see more of Eleni Zinovia.

[Das Tentakel]

I'm most interested in how it acquired that reputation, honestly. Tevinter seems to be very strongly patterned on the Ancient Roman Empire, which was vilified pretty thoroughly in early Christian texts for obvious reasons (and the Andrastean faith is nothing if not the most blatant analogue to Christianity I've seen in a long time).

As such, I have to assume that the massive negative PR blitz against Tevinter has as much to do with slander as it does with legitimate grievances against the Imperium (like slavery). Which has been mentioned by a few other people elsewhere in the forum, to give credit where it's due.

I mean, hell, if the Chantry and the Imperium could join together to march against the Qunari when things really started going crazy, then that tells you the division between them isn't that deep. Most of it's probably just a "we need an enemy to prop up" thing. As all religious or political orders tend to need, and the Chantry is both of those things.

I think Tevinter IS ‘evil’, in the sense that the empire, past and present, seems to have been designed to offend modern western moral sensibilities. Moreover, whenever we run into Tevinters they are pretty bad, with ‘exceptions’ like Dorian proving the rule.
This is independent of those ‘facts’ that might be ‘explained away’ as White Divine Andrastian propaganda.
Although I would say that Tevinter is merely ‘mostly evil’ and that in a partly pragmatic-opportunistic way, rather than ‘wholly evil’ in a metaphysical way like Mordor.

[Jazzpha]

I do hope we get to also see what life is like for some people in Tevinter who occupy the middle and lower classes. Sure, I can absolutely see why some power-hungry Altus magi and Archons would be evil on the whole (if not all of them outright), and those 'important' types of people are usually the ones we see.

 

I guess most of it is just my reluctance to write off a whole culture as pragmatically evil based on the actions of its most prominent members, who have deep incentives to engage in that sort of pragmatically evil behavior.

 

Regardless, we'll probably see sooner or later through a later game or DLC. My guess is Dorian won't have many good things at all to say about the Tevinter aristocracy in-game (considering his social standing, or lack thereof), but since his over-arching MO seems to be doing at least some positive PR for the Imperium, we'll probably hear a lot from him about how the Imperium isn't completely full of bad people.

 

Kind of like how I have to explain to people that no, not everyone in Washington DC is a jackass lawyer or holier-than-thou politician. Other people live here too, thanks.

 

Except, you know, with slavery.