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[Killdren88]

As always a fantastic trilogy. But I also recently watched the Desolation Of Smaug and something has me confused. If Gandalf knew then about the necromancer and his true identity, what was he doing in the Shire in Fellowship having fun? Shouldn't he have spent those sixty years between the films they to spread the word?

[TheClonesLegacy]

He'll probably defeat Saurons Necromancer form in the next movie and think that's the end of it.

Besides like Saruman said, "The Halflings leaf has clouded your mind."

[Hellion Rex]

As always a fantastic trilogy. But I also recently watched the Desolation Of Smaug and something has me confused. If Gandalf knew then about the necromancer and his true identity, what was he doing in the Shire in Fellowship having fun? Shouldn't he have spent those sixty years between the films they to spread the word?

Nah, the Necromancer returns to Mordor, where he's pretty much safe. The thing is, since he didn't have the Ring, the good guys thought things would be okay for the time being.

[Killdren88]

Nah, the Necromancer returns to Mordor, where he's pretty much safe. The thing is, since he didn't have the Ring, the good guys thought things would be okay for the time being.

Still the very fact the Necromancer was active should have been alarming enough to spread and word and be watchful.

[Hellion Rex]

Still the very fact the Necromancer was active should have been alarming enough to spread and word and be watchful.

They were watching Mordor's borders during the downtime between the Hobbit and LOTR, but there wasn't much else they could do. There'd be no guarantee that they could win an assault within Sauron's old stomping ground, cause he'd have homefield advantage.

[Killdren88]

They were watching Mordor's borders during the downtime between the Hobbit and LOTR, but there wasn't much else they could do. There'd be no guarantee that they could win an assault within Sauron's old stomping ground, cause he'd have homefield advantage.

The time between the Hobbit and Fellowship would have been perfect. Sauron was still weak and gathering his strength.

[EarthboundNess]

He'll probably defeat Saurons Necromancer form in the next movie and think that's the end of it.

Besides like Saruman said, "The Halflings leaf has clouded your mind."

 

This. I have no idea of the specifics on how it all goes down in the appendices, but that's the only way it'll make sense to the average film goer.

[mybudgee]

I'm still pissed that Gandalf never got to go toe-to-toe with the leader of the nine..

[Hellion Rex]

I'm still pissed that Gandalf never got to go toe-to-toe with the leader of the nine..

He does in Lord of the Rings...and gets his ass kicked and staff broken.

[Hellion Rex]

Gandalf and the Witch King are pretty much equal in the books.

Yeah, I just thought the movie fight was a little cooler lol

Btw, love the username, though I miss your Bloody Mary avi.

[Chashan]

The time between the Hobbit and Fellowship would have been perfect. Sauron was still weak and gathering his strength.

 

Mordor was fairly well fortified at that time already, under the direct leadership of the Nine, and if I remember correctly in the books Gandalf assumes that Sauron did not so much flee from Dol Guldur than that he merely relocated to Barad-dur, having all things in place.

500 years prior to the War of the Ring of the LotR-trilogy, Mordor was already able to put enough pressure on Gondor to abandon Ithilien and push as far as Osgiliath - in large part due to Uruks, which were good ol' Gorthaur's - Sauron's - creation, not Saruman's as the movies would have it.

 

Ever since then Gondor's strength had been in steady decline, and after the Battle of Five Armies neither the Iron Hills dwarves nor Mirkwood elves could be expected to muster the means nor will to try an assault on Mordor itself.

 

 

 

Personally, I've never watched this Hobbit-trilogy and I doubt I will, as I simply prefer the story in book-form by old Tolkien hisself.

[Khayness]

Personally, I've never watched this Hobbit-trilogy and I doubt I will, as I simply prefer the story in book-form by old Tolkien hisself.

 

I'm pretty sure that with all the DVD extras out in the eventual finished release, you can read the book faster than watch the movies.

[The Hierophant]

It's probably only a senior moment.

[Tarek]

in the books its much more logically explained ... also lots of years pass from one event to the next

[Tarek]

Still the very fact the Necromancer was active should have been alarming enough to spread and word and be watchful.

in the books they did

[breakdown71289]

The time between the Hobbit and Fellowship would have been perfect. Sauron was still weak and gathering his strength.

 

That may be true, but the forces of Middle-Earth wouldn't have been able to truly defeat Sauron without getting the one ring to Mordor, in which nobody knew where it was until the Fellowship of the Ring.

[Eurypterid]

Am I misremembering here? I thought that when they drove the Necromancer out of Mirkwood, they weren't sure where he went right away. Once Sauron established himself in Mordor and they figured out what was up, it was too late to do anything about it without more firepower.

[mybudgee]

The scene with Eowen saying "I am no man" is one of the all-time worst

[MadParrot]

As always a fantastic trilogy. But I also recently watched the Desolation Of Smaug and something has me confused. If Gandalf knew then about the necromancer and his true identity, what was he doing in the Shire in Fellowship having fun? Shouldn't he have spent those sixty years between the films they to spread the word?

 

He might've been spreading word about it initially, but Sauron declared himself openly 10 years later so he no longer had to.

 

And as others have said the White Council was unaware of where Sauron "fled" after his "defeat" at Dol Guldur so the Council was unable to do anything.

[AventuroLegendary]

Gandalf couldn't have warned Gondor of Sauron regenerating and Orcs gathering in Mordor? It would have saved the garrison there some lives.

 

Yes, I'm referring to that Shadow of Mordor game

 

The scene with Eowen saying "I am no man" is one of the all-time worst

 

It would have been awesome if it weren't for Miranda Otto's execution. It's cringe-worthy every time she screams.

[Blooddrunk1004]

He does in Lord of the Rings...and gets his ass kicked and staff broken.

Which was stupid.

That scene made him look like weakling considering in the books that moment never happened. Aragorn defeated him with a damn torch, Gandalf killed Balrog who would rip any Ringwraith apart, but now improved Gandalf the White can't handle the Witch King.

 

It's funny because his powers are pretty much on the same level as Sauron. Sauron just looks stronger because he is using powers of Maiar, while Gandalf isn't being allowed to use them unless if under extreme circumstances. The only person that could possibily humiliated Gandalf in that scene by ripping his staff would be Morgoth.

[AventuroLegendary]

Which was stupid.

That scene made Gandalf look like weakling considering in the books that moment never happened. Aragorn defeated him with a damn torch, Gandalf killed Balrog who would rip any Ringwraith apart, but now improved Gandalf the White can't handle the Witch King?

 

Last I recall, the scene in the books was meant to show Gandalf's humility contrast with the Witch King's arrogance. Instead, we got Gandalf looking stupid.

[mybudgee]

Hopefully the third installment of the "Hobbit" trilogy doesn't have as many cringe-worthy scenes as the final LOTR film. *Crosses fingers*