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[Tarek]

using CGI too much will kill the film's soul

[Mr.House]

Not sure I grasp your point. Yes, that's all they did, but their presence was pretty well explained in the Paths of the Dead chapter (I believe that was the one) in the book.

The fact is that by making them also help out int he battle, it undid all the massive tension that was going on. Before they showed up, things where looking extremely dire, then bam here's the ghost and they are rolfstomping everything with no effort! Tension gone. A fantastic battle just turned crappy because of a very unneeded change(same with the scene with Gandalf and the witch king)

[Heimdall]

The fact is that by making them also help out int he battle, it undid all the massive tension that was going on. Before they showed up, things where looking extremely dire, then bam here's the ghost and they are rolfstomping everything with no effort! Tension gone. A fantastic battle just turned crappy because of a very unneeded change(same with the scene with Gandalf and the witch king)

Wait, what change?  Its been a very long time since I picked up the book, but isn't the dead army wiping out the orcs and turning the tide more or less unchanged?

[Mr.House]

Wait, what change?  Its been a very long time since I picked up the book, but isn't the dead army wiping out the orcs and turning the tide more or less unchanged?

No, they only helped with the boats. They never helped in the battle in the fields.

[Heimdall]

No, they only helped with the boats. They never helped in the battle in the fields.

Hm, wasn't that meant to take the place of the reinforcements from (Dol Amroth was it?). I can sort of understand that change, too confusing to introduce new factions so late in the story.

[Tarek]

yah ghost army was mehhhhhhh

 

it was nice but i hate super weapons

[Chashan]

Hm, wasn't that meant to take the place of the reinforcements from (Dol Amroth was it?). I can sort of understand that change, too confusing to introduce new factions so late in the story.

 

Not really. Showing the ghosts wreck the corsairs while Gondor's forces engaged with them at Pelargir and rowing slaves duck and cover in fear would have sufficed.

 

Besides, Aragorn not continuing to keep the army of the dead under his thrall, unleashing them only for this one action of capturing the fleet is one decisive trait of his character he displays there: it's what makes him not a dread tyrant, but a sovereign king of Man. To not show that and instead expend them in such lame fashion as the third movie did was a heinous waste.

Not to mention that the movie's ghosts do the unnerving image the book paints of them little justice: the ghosts don't truly need to fight, and couldn't anyway with their rusted weapons. Instead, the corsairs throw themselves into the sea in terror. That's how awesome they are.

[Heimdall]

Not really. Showing the ghosts wreck the corsairs while Gondor's forces engaged with them at Pelargir and rowing slaves duck and cover in fear would have sufficed.

 

Besides, Aragorn not continuing to keep the army of the dead under his thrall, unleashing them only for this one action of capturing the fleet is one decisive trait of his character he displays there: it's what makes him not a dread tyrant, but a sovereign king of Man. To not show that and instead expend them in such lame fashion as the third movie did was a heinous waste.

Not to mention that the movie's ghosts do the unnerving image the book paints of them little justice: the ghosts don't truly need to fight, and couldn't anyway with their rusted weapons. Instead, the corsairs throw themselves into the sea in terror. That's how awesome they are.

...Okay, but wouldn't having Gondor's forces rally at that point and destroy the enemy by themselves undermine the direness of the situation?

[Chashan]

...Okay, but wouldn't having Gondor's forces rally at that point and destroy the enemy by themselves undermine the direness of the situation?

 

Hardly. The "direness" is thrown out by how the movie shows the siege of Minas Tirith anyhow. In the books, it is perpetual darkness there throughout the siege, with the sky clouded. Even though the besieging force fails to gain the walls and finally only ever manages to break the main-gate and set no foot into Minas Tirith proper Tolkien manages to express the despair of the besieged city. The movie doesn't come even close in that regard.

[Heimdall]

Hardly. The "direness" is thrown out by how the movie shows the siege of Minas Tirith anyhow. In the books, it is perpetual darkness there throughout the siege, with the sky clouded. Even though the besieging force fails to gain the walls and finally only ever manages to break the main-gate and set no foot into Minas Tirith proper Tolkien manages to express the despair of the besieged city. The movie doesn't come even close in that regard.

I don't see how having the orcs breach the walls and all but overrun the city is somehow not dire, just because you don't like that they didn't do it Tolkein's way.

[AventuroLegendary]

Not sure I grasp your point. Yes, that's all they did, but their presence was pretty well explained in the Paths of the Dead chapter (I believe that was the one) in the book.

 

Yeesh, I abandoned this.

 

My point was that the ghost army killed the sense of suspense in a battle that looked threatening. "Okay, rohirrim, this is a pitched battle. Maybe we can- wait, an invincible army of ghosts came out of nowhere. We got this, guys."

 

 

Hardly. The "direness" is thrown out by how the movie shows the siege of Minas Tirith anyhow. In the books, it is perpetual darkness there throughout the siege, with the sky clouded. Even though the besieging force fails to gain the walls and finally only ever manages to break the main-gate and set no foot into Minas Tirith proper Tolkien manages to express the despair of the besieged city. The movie doesn't come even close in that regard.

 

Eh? The Orcs (along with Trolls, Wargs and Easterlings) were neck deep in Minas Tirith ("Move into the city. Kill all in your path"), to the point of getting in slicing distance of its civilian population and having fist fights with guards. Couple that with fell beasts scooping up Gondor soldiers and a possibly insane Steward and you have a pretty grim image.

 

A dark sky and an ominous narration wasn't necessary.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The final battle was lame, when all orks and bad guys fell into that huge magically-made valley...

 

The ending was even worse. I hated those laughs after the final victory too.

[Pateu]

yah ghost army was mehhhhhhh

 

it was nice but i hate super weapons

 

Well Sauron has one, too.

[Tarek]

there are 2 things I hate about stories...

 

when writers get blocked...

 

they use:

 

1-time travel

2-amnesia (rolls eyes)

3-super uber god like event/weapon

4-do miracle crap

 

those are just poor excuses to "I could not come up with a nice idea"

[AventuroLegendary]

 

4-do miracle crap

 

those are just poor excuses to "I could not come up with a nice idea"

 

So... the Eagles?

[TheClonesLegacy]

using CGI too much will kill the film's soul

Pixar disagrees.

[mybudgee]

 

there are 2 things I hate about stories...
 
when writers get blocked...
 
they use:
 
1-time travel
2-amnesia (rolls eyes)
3-super uber god like event/weapon
4-do miracle crap
 
those are just poor excuses to "I could not come up with a nice idea"

This guy has been paying attention