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[EmperorSahlertz]

i don't know maybe that you are leader of military organization have something to do with that?

Since it seems I have to quote Gaider even though he said it in this very thread:

 

 

 

You could also wait and see whether the context actually applies. How do you know you lead anything at that point? How do you know Leliana serves you at that point? Be careful of your assumptions... particularly when it comes to a plot that you're only half-seeing, and during which we removed any portions of the dialogue that were too spoilery.

So I ask again, what makes you so certain that it is your call to make at all?

[Xilizhra]

So I ask again, what makes you so certain that it is your call to make at all?

Alexius refers to Leliana and her assassins as "yours."

[BobZilla84]

@jazzpha

Dont forget the Butter oh and get me a Cookie.

 

On Topic:

This discussion isnt going anywhere both sides are stalwart/stubborn lol but I still think there should be ways to punish our advisors and now I will await my cookie.

[Pierce Miller]

Alexius refers to Leliana and her assassins as "yours."

I was also under the impression that this was late in the game

[Vearsin]

Mike also said in the demo that we sent Leliana there. Why would we be able to send her anywhere if she wasn't a subordinate? 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Alexius refers to Leliana and her assassins as "yours."

Last I checked, yours is also plural, and it is indeed a group from the Inquisition standing in front of him.

[LobselVith8]

Mike also said in the demo that we sent Leliana there. Why would we be able to send her anywhere if she wasn't a subordinate? 

 

Which leaves the question about whether or not the Inquisitor will be able to deal with insubordination within the Inquisition. The concept art with the female Vashoth presiding over a man who looked like he was about to be executed suggests the player might make some decisions that determine the fate of certain people, although I suppose it remains to be seen whether that will apply to the companions and advisers who refuse to follow the chain of command.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Since it seems I have to quote Gaider even though he said it in this very thread:

 

So I ask again, what makes you so certain that it is your call to make at all?

Pretty much it was said that it was we who send her to the redcliff so hardly we aren't leader otherwise it wouldn't be our decision whether send her or not same if she wasn't our subordinate.
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[Pierce Miller]

there's also the tone of the scene, I mean the Inquisitor commanded Leliana which isn't something you'd do to one of your equals or superiors.

[HuldraDancer]

Wait wait wait wait wait wait what? What? Did that really happen? Like actually happened and its not someone just misremembering how things played out? Cause if that actually happened and we can't do sh*t about it I'm going to be a little miffed, I almost always play a goodie goodie but I run a tight ship to I expect my people to follow my orders I give them for reasons not for fun when the world is going to hell you either keep it together while your on the clock of get out of my Inquisition cause you can't handle it. If Leilana defying orders was accurate I do hope there is room for punishing her for it cause that's not going to fly with a lot of my PCs. 

[Eveangaline]

Mike also said in the demo that we sent Leliana there. Why would we be able to send her anywhere if she wasn't a subordinate? 

 

Maybe we can just shout at random people "HEY YOU, GO TO *INSERT PLACE NAME" and Leliana was one of the few who actually did it.

[BobZilla84]

Oh and one other thing to the people saying Alexius cant be trusted because of him being a Necromancer tell me what Specialization do suppose Dorian is gonna have again.

[LOLandStuff]

Oh and one other thing to the people saying Alexius cant be trusted because of him being a Necromancer tell me what Specialization do suppose Dorian is gonna have again.

 

Don't forget about one of the mage specialization. What was it...Necromancer or something?

[LobselVith8]

Wait wait wait wait wait wait what? What? Did that really happen? Like actually happened and its not someone just misremembering how things played out? Cause if that actually happened and we can't do sh*t about it I'm going to be a little miffed, I almost always play a goodie goodie but I run a tight ship to I expect my people to follow my orders I give them for reasons not for fun when the world is going to hell you either keep it together while your on the clock of get out of my Inquisition cause you can't handle it. If Leilana defying orders was accurate I do hope there is room for punishing her for it cause that's not going to fly with a lot of my PCs. 

 

If you want to see the video and make your own judgement, you can view the scene here. The specific scene that inspired this discussion about insubordination can be viewed starting at the 7:40 mark of the video.

[HuldraDancer]

If you want to see the video and make your own judgement, you can view the scene here. The specific scene that inspired this discussion about insubordination can be viewed starting at the 7:40 mark of the video.

Thanks for the link not happy but what I saw and really hope there is an option to punish her for defying orders (and anyone that defies my direct orders as well) You don't put someone in charge as the boss then not listen to them. Are we sure we can't fire advisers by the way? Has that been confirmed?

[LobselVith8]

Thanks for the link not happy but what I saw and really hope there is an option to punish her for defying orders (and anyone that defies my direct orders as well) You don't put someone in charge as the boss then not listen to them. Are we sure we can't fire advisers by the way? Has that been confirmed?

 

Don't mention it. It doesn't seem that the advisers can be be let go initially, but Allan did provide a cryptic comment that perhaps the advisers may not always be there. You can read the comment here.

[HuldraDancer]

Don't mention it. It doesn't seem that the advisers can be be let go initially, but Allan did provide a cryptic comment that perhaps the advisers may not always be there. You can read the comment here.

Thank you for providing me with a link again very nice of you

Cryptic but I'll take it with a grain of optimism and hope that I can get rid of people for out right defying my orders (though I don't like to loose people at all so I'm hoping to sidestep that whole situation with Leliana all together)

[Hazegurl]

I don't care if anyone agrees with what Leilana did or if they like it when npcs do whatever they want. I just want the option to not be walked on in my so called rise to power.  If anyone agrees with what she did and feels no need to confront her then good for them. I just want the OPTION to do differently.

[lyin321]

 Are we sure we can't fire advisers by the way? Has that been confirmed?

 If the advisors play a major role ( head of your spy network or armies) maybe we can't dismiss them because we need such people. But hopefully they can be replaced (eventually mind you) by some that we trust....otherwise, as soon as my inquisitor starts to destroy as much chantry property and people, I might find myself battling my own armies thanks to Cullen:))

 

Edit: (to not be completely offtopic) I hope the extend of advisor's punishment goes beyond some strong words (optional ofcourse)....

[Ryzaki]

I don't care if anyone agrees with what Leilana did or if they like it when npcs do whatever they want. I just want the option to not be walked on in my so called rise to power.  If anyone agrees with what she did and feels no need to confront her then good for them. I just want the OPTION to do differently.

 

Exactly. 

 

At least with the companions we can dump most of them so it's not really an issue if they're insubordinate. We can drop em. That's not the case with the advisors so =/

[Rane7685]

I don't care if anyone agrees with what Leilana did or if they like it when npcs do whatever they want. I just want the option to not be walked on in my so called rise to power.  If anyone agrees with what she did and feels no need to confront her then good for them. I just want the OPTION to do differently.

 

Totally agree with this BUT what I would object to is npcs always following my orders. I am the Inquisitor, I am not Leliana. She has her own personality and whilst I might demand discipline and obedience she is free not to do so (frankly it would be a little dull and disappointing if everyone mindlessly did everything I said (in combat that might be different from a pure gameplay perspective). Nevertheless should she disobey I wholeheartedly agree with having an option to address it (whether it be admonition or some other sort of punishment). I may choose to do nothing and ignore it it will depend on the context

[EmperorSahlertz]

Oh and one other thing to the people saying Alexius cant be trusted because of him being a Necromancer tell me what Specialization do suppose Dorian is gonna have again.

When the **** was it decided that Dorian is a necromancer?

[Hellion Rex]

When the **** was it decided that Dorian is a necromancer?

[DG]: He enjoys using his magic and doesn't see any reason why he should be ashamed about it. So he unleashes his full power when it's needed… and he has plenty of power to unleash, seeing as he comes from a society where mages are trained to use it rather than hide it. This includes powerful elemental spells, as well as spells involving the control of spirit and the dead—things societies outside of Tevinter might turn up their noses at and claim "distasteful."

 

It's just speculation on our part, but who knows.

[Former_Fiend]

When the **** was it decided that Dorian is a necromancer?

 

At some point in the early developmental process.

 

It was confirmed in his character profile/interview with Gaider, though.

[Former_Fiend]

[DG]: He enjoys using his magic and doesn't see any reason why he should be ashamed about it. So he unleashes his full power when it's needed… and he has plenty of power to unleash, seeing as he comes from a society where mages are trained to use it rather than hide it. This includes powerful elemental spells, as well as spells involving the control of spirit and the dead—things societies outside of Tevinter might turn up their noses at and claim "distasteful."

 

It's just speculation on our part, but who knows.

 

I don't see a lot of room for interpretation there.