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[Icy Magebane]

He said that before the Inquisitor's request, which was to hand over the amulet before they let Felix go.  After the request he then asked them to let Felix go, saying they would get what they want.  He did not do what was asked and tried to bargain on his own terms.  She also did not go "nuts", she ended what could have become a pointless back-and-forth.

 

Now at this point the Inquisitor may be able to say "I was negotiating Leliana" to which I hope she tells the Inquisitor that they were naive for expecting that to get anywhere.  It's up to interpretation at that point, and no one knows.  Whatever the response is and actions available, everyone will just have to deal with it.  You may also wait to find out what happens if she is commanded to let him go.

Listen, until the Inquisitor says, "kill him," Leliana has no right to take it upon herself to decide whether or not the negotiations are going smoothly.  Or are you of the mindset that the Inquisitor is not actually in charge of the group and that it's a more democratically governed organization?  If that were the case I wouldn't mind, but I'd like to be told that in advance so that I don't assume I'm just being disobeyed.

[TheKomandorShepard]

He said that before the Inquisitor's request, which was to hand over the amulet before they let Felix go.  After the request he then asked them to let Felix go, saying they would get what they want.  He did not do what was asked and tried to bargain on his own terms.  She also did not go "nuts", she ended what could have become a pointless back-and-forth.

 

Now at this point the Inquisitor may be able to say "I was negotiating Leliana" to which I hope she tells the Inquisitor that they were naive for expecting that to get anywhere.  It's up to interpretation at that point, and no one knows.  Whatever the response is and actions available, everyone will just have to deal with it.  You may also wait to find out what happens if she is commanded to let him go.

So what i was negotiating i gave him my terms he give me his then i should decide what i should do then leliana disobeyed and do what the hell she wanted instead listen to her boss.And yes she went nuts as she destroyed chance for bargin. 

 

Well if you want allow your peoples do what they want and cullen chop mages leaders during negotiations in half because he had such desire and he didn't think it would work it is your call but not being able punish after such a thing is just stupid and bad writing and poor rp element.
 

[Icy Magebane]

To be fair, execution or exile are the only two options that seem viable to me and yet we know that'll be impossible because advisors can't leave

Maybe she could be demoted to Assistant Spymaster?  I dunno... there have to be some kind of repercussions.

[SerCambria358]

I dont think a lot of people understand how a chain of command works and why its important in a military based organization 

[Pierce Miller]

After seeing that video I'm beginning to think I should side with the other advisors more, unless they have the same flimsy idiotic notions about command.

[MamaThyia]

Every time I see this part of the demo, I figure that the Inquisitor and Dorian will just step into the wormhole, and come out on the other side, back in time, so none of this would have happened yet. Therefore, I won't have to worry about the repercussions of sending Leliana to get tortured or how she just ignored my order, or that Sera and Iron Bull are perhaps dead. I do hope there is something we can do if our companions or advisors blatantly disregard our orders. I'm not going to look good in front of my army if my orders get disobeyed, and I just let them get away with it.

[Vearsin]

While they didn't pick the "release him Leliana" option in the demo, I kinda got the feeling she would have killed Felix regardless. If thats the case I would certainly hope there would be an option to reprimand her for it. This isn't DA2 where the companions were just buddies tagging along to help Hawke out without any real chain of command. 

[Magdalena11]

I don't really care how the negotiations or anything else is going.  That poor boy needs to be allowed to die.  I personally vow to make sure a virtual character gets an ending.  Now there's an epitaph I won't expect to see in the paper.

[Icy Magebane]

Every time I see this part of the demo, I figure that the Inquisitor and Dorian will just step into the wormhole, and come out on the other side, back in time, so none of this would have happened yet. Therefore, I won't have to worry about the repercussions of sending Leliana to get tortured or how she just ignored my order, or that Sera and Iron Bull are perhaps dead. I do hope there is something we can do if our companions or advisors blatantly disregard our orders. I'm not going to look good in front of my army if my orders get disobeyed, and I just let them get away with it.

It was a bit surreal watching Sera just die like that (I missed Iron Bull... odd considering his size, but w/e)... maybe that was the "disloyal" version of the scene, like the ME2 suicide mission?  I mean, just how strong were those enemies to just toss the heroes around like that?  I'll take my chances inside the rift...

[J-Reyno]

Listen, until the Inquisitor says, "kill him," Leliana has no right to take it upon herself to decide whether or not the negotiations are going smoothly.  Or are you of the mindset that the Inquisitor is not actually in charge of the group and that it's a more democratically governed organization?  If that were the case I wouldn't mind, but I'd like to be told that in advance so that I don't assume I'm just being disobeyed.

You need to re-read the first post and understand.  OP states:

 

"we see the Inquisitor try to tell Leliana to let go of the Magister's son, she doesn't comply and proceeds to slit his throat"

 

That is not what happened.  Like I said, maybe you will be able to say something to her about it.  Don't know, doesn't matter.  But she was not told to let go of his son.  She did not defy direct orders.  You having a problem with what she did is something else entirely and if you want your companions to do as told you may have to choose the options that actually give them orders.

[Zana]

I suspect this is the result of having low approval from Leliana.  It was mentioned that the way the assault happened (having Leliana captured due to your screw-up), cost the relationship between her and Inquisitor.  Which could mean that now the companions/advisers will have an additional choice of outright disobedience to choices they do not approve of instead of the old "I hate you but will work with you anyway" and "screw it, I am leaving".  Personally I think it would add to the gameplay.

[Icy Magebane]

You need to re-read the first post and understand.  OP states:

 

"we see the Inquisitor try to tell Leliana to let go of the Magister's son, she doesn't comply and proceeds to slit his throat"

 

That is not what happened.  Like I said, maybe you will be able to say something to her about it.  Don't know, doesn't matter.  But she was not told to let go of his son.  She did not defy direct orders.  You having a problem with what she did is something else entirely and if you want your companions to do as told you may have to choose the options that actually give them orders.

And that right there tells me we aren't going to agree on this... but anyway, I was just watching that demo.  The Inquisitor says, "hand me the amulet and we'll let him go," to which Alexius replies, "give me Felix and you'll get what you want."  At that point Leliana decides that she's heard enough talking, makes her witty one liner, and kills the guy... does that, in any way, sound like she was told to do anything?  No.  She takes it upon herself to end the negotiations, forcing us into a potentially fatal encounter... no competent military commander would simply excuse that or brush it off with a casual remark that "it doesn't matter."

[Icy Magebane]

I'd throw her in the brig at best. I'd (discharge) strip her of her title/power at worst.

Tossing her in the brig for a few nights sounds ideal... but a second infraction is an automatic dismissal, no exceptions.

[J-Reyno]

And that right there tells me we aren't going to agree on this... but anyway, I was just watching that demo.  The Inquisitor says, "hand me the amulet and we'll let him go," to which Alexius replies, "give me Felix and you'll get what you want."  At that point Leliana decides that she's heard enough talking, makes her witty one liner, and kills the guy... does that, in any way, sound like she was told to do anything?  No.  She takes it upon herself to end the negotiations, forcing us into a potentially fatal encounter... no competent military commander would simply excuse that or brush it off with a casual remark that "it doesn't matter."

Agree on what?  What I'm saying doesn't matter is how you feel about Leliana's actions when I'm not discussing that with you.  You're arguing something else entirely.  I'm telling OP that Leliana was not told to let go of Felix.  And then you're telling me "oh she was so wrong for what she did!" 

 

Ok?  I was informing the OP that she didn't defy a direct order.  I understand why you might not like what she did do, but I don't really care about your feelings on the matter.  I was correcting an incorrect statement.  The end.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't blame Leliana at all for what she did. Remember these are the people who imprisoned and tortured her. Not to mentioned most likely killed everyone in Redcliffe Castle. If there is a reprimand option, I also want a congratulatory option. 

 

And as some have said, Inquisitor never told her to not kill Felix. 

[BobZilla84]

I know the Advisors cant be killed but if we are the leader of the Inquistion then I think we should be able to punish our subordinates like Leliana in that situation no execution or exile.

 

I think we should be able to either imprison her or have her flogged.

 

I am not gonna go into a tirade about it but if I am the Leader then let me lead in that situation defying the Boss should have repricussions I am just saying.

[Icy Magebane]

Agree on what?  What I'm saying doesn't matter is how you feel about Leliana's actions when I'm not discussing that with you.  You're arguing something else entirely.  I'm telling OP that Leliana was not told to let go of Felix.  And then you're telling me "oh she was so wrong for what she did!" 

 

Ok?  I was informing the OP that she didn't defy a direct order.  I understand why you might not like what she did do, but I don't really care about your feelings on the matter.  I was correcting an incorrect statement.  The end.  

rofl... wow, somebody's cranky... fine, we don't need to talk about it further.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't blame Leliana at all for what she did. Remember these are the people who imprisoned and tortured her. Not to mentioned most likely killed everyone in Redcliffe Castle. If there is a reprimand option, I also want a congratulatory option. 

 

And as some have said, Inquisitor never told her to not kill Felix. 

 

Note that I don't entirely disagree.

 

But still, if we're dealing with blatant insubordination from any members of the inquisition, I want a "ten lashes in the courtyard" option.

[BobZilla84]

I think in that situation imprisoned,tortured or not I would have her flogged for disobeying my orders yeah it sucks but an order is a order. 

 

B-Ware has said we are in charge we are building up the Inquistion, leading it.

I am just saying dont go half way let us actually lead.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This whole discussion is kind of pointless though. I believe Bioware said there would be no floggings or lashings or anything like that in one of repulsive threads. Chances are you just give them a good talking to. 

[BobZilla84]

I agree Fiend Flogging should be a option for Companions/Advisors.

[SerCambria358]

This whole discussion is kind of pointless though. I believe Bioware said there would be no floggings or lashings or anything like that in one of repulsive threads. Chances are you just give them a good talking to. 

You dont need to physically hurt someone to punish them for disobedience 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You dont need to physically hurt someone to punish them for disobedience 

I know. I was saying what I said to those who wanted physical acts of punishment like floggings.