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[Zana]

Eh, on first offense in circumstances like this I don't think a public flogging a senior officer of inquisition would be warranted.  A serious discussion, yes, public punishment, probably no.  On a repeat offense it would merit a demotion (which, from what I understand is not an option in the game).

 

I do think that the system where the character is forced to stay with you even if they consistently disobeys your orders is flawed.  Simply not using them is not really an option - why would one cripple their organization by not using a large chunk of it's resources only because the commanding officer is insubordinate, when normally one could simply replace the officer.

 

If the entire espionage/assassin wing of inquisition is loyal directly to Leliana herself, then we have an issue.  In this situation Leliana hating your guts is not only a liability but a direct danger to the inquisitor. 

[LobselVith8]

I don't blame Leliana at all for what she did. Remember these are the people who imprisoned and tortured her. Not to mentioned most likely killed everyone in Redcliffe Castle. If there is a reprimand option, I also want a congratulatory option. 

 

And as some have said, Inquisitor never told her to not kill Felix. 

 

Some of the arguments are viewing this from the perspective of a military commander dealing with insubordination from one of their subordinates, rather than how a friend or colleague might empathize with what happened to someone he or she cares about.

[Jazzpha]

This sort of thing is one of the reasons why I was sad to see Persuade and Intimidate get ditched in DA2. They added a layer of potential nuance and different outcomes to conversations that the wheel just didn't cover.

 

The "Day in Court" sidequest in Awakening that was mentioned earlier is a good example of that, as is the later peasant riot. Without Master Coercion, I might not have been able to disperse the mob bloodlessly. But that option doesn't exist in the wheel, unfortunately.

[Icy Magebane]

This whole discussion is kind of pointless though. I believe Bioware said there would be no floggings or lashings or anything like that in one of repulsive threads. Chances are you just give them a good talking to. 

IMO even that is better than just letting it slide... but not by much.  Not that I expect it, but personally I'm leaning towards a short jail sentence.  Then again, maybe the "release him" option actually works the way we'd expect... doubtful, but who knows...

[Former_Fiend]

Eh, on first offense in circumstances like this I don't think a public flogging a senior officer of inquisition would be warranted.  A serious discussion, yes, public punishment, probably no.  On a repeat offense it would merit a demotion (which, from what I understand is not an option in the game).

 

I do think that the system where the character is forced to stay with you even if they consistently disobeys your orders is flawed.  Simply not using them is not really an option - why would one cripple their organization by not using a large chunk of it's resources only because the commanding officer is insubordinate, when normally one could simply replace the officer.

 

If the entire espionage/assassin wing of inquisition is loyal directly to Leliana herself, then we have an issue.  In this situation Leliana hating your guts is not only a liability but a direct danger to the inquisitor. 

 

I think it depends more on the severity of the offense than what order the offense comes in.

 

I've gone out of my way not to watch the demo with the particular incident in question to avoid spoilers, but if it's something that significantly endangers the lives of other members of the inquisition and/or jeopardizes the mission, then I believe a harsh punishment is warranted.

[BobZilla84]

This whole discussion is kind of pointless though. I believe Bioware said there would be no floggings or lashings or anything like that in one of repulsive threads. Chances are you just give them a good talking to. 

 

@Sasha

Your right I just think there should be consequences for disobeying the Inquisitors orders. Giving them a good talking to seems useless honestly we can execute enemies willy nilly but punishing our Companions/Advisors thats a no no.

 

I am not a sadist in the situation I would have felt for her but disobeying the Inquisitor her Boss should have repricussions.

[Enigmatick]

IMO even that is better than just letting it slide... but not by much.  Not that I expect it, but personally I'm leaning towards a short jail sentence.  Then again, maybe the "release him" option actually works the way we'd expect... doubtful, but who knows...

I keep saying this but given the nature of what goes on in that quest it's pretty obvious they just choose the option that they knew would give them a boss fight for the video.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I got it. Send her to bed without supper.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I keep saying this but given the nature of what goes on in that quest it's pretty obvious they just choose the option that they knew would give them a boss fight for the video.

I agree. 

[SerCambria358]

@Sasha

Your right I just think there should be consequences for disobeying the Inquisitors orders. Giving them a good talking to seems useless honestly we can execute enemies willy nilly but punishing our Companions/Advisors thats a no no.

 

I am not a sadist in the situation I would have felt for her but disobeying the Inquisitor her Boss should have repricussions.

Yea, i hate the notion that wanting the inclusion of physical punishment automatically makes you sadistic. 

 

By that logic, any form of physical punishment done in history automatically concludes those involved as sadistic (though some may have been)

[Icy Magebane]

I keep saying this but given the nature of what goes on in that quest it's pretty obvious they just choose the option that they knew would give them a boss fight for the video.

True.  Seeing how this all turned out in advance, I think I'll just try the "release him" option and hope for the best... assuming I ever even see this scene play out.  They did say it was the result of previous choices...

[Kingthlayer]

If we can't kill Leliana for disobeying direct orders, they should let us kill Cassandra and make Leliana watch.  The Chantry will lose power and influence one hand at a time.

[LobselVith8]

If we can't kill Leliana for disobeying direct orders, they should let us kill Cassandra and make Leliana watch.  The Chantry will lose power and influence one hand at a time.

 

The Chantry pretty much loses the Inquisition by the time the protagonist becomes the Inquisitor.

[SerCambria358]

If we can't kill Leliana for disobeying direct orders, they should let us kill Cassandra and make Leliana watch.  The Chantry will lose power and influence one hand at a time.

Ok then

[Zana]

I got it. Send her to bed without supper.

 That could be pretty mean if she was starved and tortured!

 

With respect to this discussion I am curious as to the actual command and organizational structure in the inquisition.  How much autonomy do the separate parts on inquisition have?  How much control over functioning of each wing does inquisitor have?  Are the branches of inquisition loyal to their commander or to inquisitor?  In latter case, inquisitor becomes more of a 'I can get these 3 branches working together to accomplish something, but have very little direct control over them'.

[Rane7685]

To be fair, execution or exile are the only two options that seem viable to me and yet we know that'll be impossible because advisors can't leave

 

God I really hope you arent a leader of anything in real life if those are the only two options that seem viable to you when faced with insubordination

[Bipster]

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If we can't kill Leliana for disobeying direct orders, they should let us kill Cassandra and make Leliana watch.  The Chantry will lose power and influence one hand at a time.

Oh boy...

[BobZilla84]

Yea, i hate the notion that wanting the inclusion of physical punishment automatically makes you sadistic. 

 

By that logic, any form of physical punishment done in history automatically concludes those involved as sadistic (though some may have been)

@SerCambria358

I love Leliana but in that position she should have waited for her boss to give his orders I just think its funny B-Ware has said we can order people executed but ordering a friend flogged for disobediance thats sadistic,thats bad.

 

I keep saying it if I am the leader of the Inquistion let me lead.

[Tevinter Rose]

 

It seems like if we give Leliana any other answer except explicitly telling her to let him go she kills him.  

[SerCambria358]

@SerCambria358

I love Leliana but in that position she should have waited for her boss to give his orders I just think its funny B-Ware has said we can order people executed but ordering a friend flogged for disobediance thats sadistic,thats bad.

 

I keep saying it if I am the leader of the Inquistion let me lead.

Precisely  

[Rane7685]

@SerCambria358

I love Leliana but in that position she should have waited for her boss to give his orders I just think its funny B-Ware has said we can order people executed but ordering a friend flogged for disobediance thats sadistic,thats bad.

 

I keep saying it if I am the leader of the Inquistion let me lead.

 

Being a leader means dealing with things like insubordination. Leaders dont lead mindless automatons

[BabyFratelli]

Maybe the Inquisitor 'leading' the Inquisition is more of a formality. You 'lead' in the same sense that a king or prime minister 'leads', basically being the public face of a position, perhaps with final say so and veto powers, but other people are the ones coming up with the ideas and implementing them.

 

Leliana might consider herself to be more in charge in that particular instance. 

[Parkimus]

Maybe the Inquisitor 'leading' the Inquisition is more of a formality. You 'lead' in the same sense that a king or prime minister 'leads', basically being the public face of a position, perhaps with final say so and veto powers, but other people are the ones coming up with the ideas and implementing them.

 

I could see this being the case, being more of a "first among equals" type of situation.

[Adaar the Unbound]

Note that I don't entirely disagree.

 

But still, if we're dealing with blatant insubordination from any members of the inquisition, I want a "ten lashes in the courtyard" option.

I wouldn't whip her. Especially right after she was just tortured. That seems like something a tyrant would do. I think my Inquisition would be upset. I definitely want to yell at her though.