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[BabyFratelli]

I wouldn't whip her. Especially right after she was just tortured. That seems like something a tyrant would do. I think my Inquisition would be upset. I definitely want to yell at her though.

 

"I'm not mad, Leliana. I'm just disappointed."

[BobZilla84]

I feel for her and everything and I will do everything to prevent the situation "imprisonment/torture" from happening.

But what do you do if you do everything right and she still kills him then what 

 

There has to be a method to reign them in you are in charge you cant have Advisors/Companions going against the direction I desire as The Leader. 

[Out to Lunch]

Mike Laidlaw has said that the Inquisition is already formed before our character joins and that we will have to earn our way up the leadership ladder. Basically "rise to power". This is not a military organization so chain of command does not apply. The writers have also said that all the companions and advisors are leaders in their own right. They are our equals not our subordinates or employees. We are simply a diverse group of people, who have come together from all walks of life to save the world. We have also been told that all our companions and advisors have their own beliefs, goals and agendas, which have a purpose within the story. We are, technically, not the 'boss of them'. Obviously, for gameplay purposes, we will make major decisions and can even go against the advise we receive. At that point, those that agree will follow and those that don't may question or even leave.

 

As far as the topic goes, Cameron Lee has stated that the scene being discussed will not be seen by most players. This was to show that there are gameplay consequences for bad decisions, not just in the moment but made throughout the game.

 

EDIT: How do I make a quote show within my post? I click 'quote' under a comment I want to reply to but nothing appears.

[Ryzaki]

Maybe the Inquisitor 'leading' the Inquisition is more of a formality. You 'lead' in the same sense that a king or prime minister 'leads', basically being the public face of a position, perhaps with final say so and veto powers, but other people are the ones coming up with the ideas and implementing them.

 

Leliana might consider herself to be more in charge in that particular instance. 

 

Oh great so it's a "rise to power." levels of bull**** advertising. Lovely.

[BabyFratelli]

Oh great so it's a "rise to power." levels of bull**** advertising. Lovely.

 

I didn't mean to say you aren't the leader of the Inquisition, in fact I think you join and then become/can become the leader. But the Devs have said the characters around you are all leaders in their own right. They'll probably mold to your judgement, but you can't expect them to never do anything for themselves. Don't worry, everyone will still bend to your will in the end. Like Parkimus said, "first among equals." - all of this is just my thoughts, of course, I have no idea how the Inquisition will really function.

 

Advertising is trying their very hardest and hasn't done anything wrong.

 

The discussion here is whether or not you can/would punish insubordinates anyway.

[Former_Fiend]

I wouldn't whip her. Especially right after she was just tortured. That seems like something a tyrant would do. I think my Inquisition would be upset. I definitely want to yell at her though.

 

Were I in her position, I'd probably cut the guy's throat out, too.

 

But I'd accept whatever punishment that warranted. 

[Ryzaki]

I didn't mean to say you aren't the leader of the Inquisition, in fact I think you join and then become/can become the leader. But the Devs have said the characters around you are all leaders in their own right. They'll probably mold to your judgement, but you can't expect them to never do anything for themselves. Don't worry, everyone will still bend to your will in the end. Like Parkimus said, "first among equals." - all of this is just my thoughts, of course, I have no idea how the Inquisition will really function.

 

Advertising is trying their very hardest and hasn't done anything wrong.

 

The discussion here is whether or not you can/would punish insubordinates anyway.

 

Yeah the whole "I do what you say...til I disagree with it." doesn't sound very leaderish to me. I have no problems with that sort of thing in games where you're clearly not supposed to be in charge (like JE, SWTOR, DAO, DA2) but I had the mistaken impression that the Inquisitor was leading the Inquisition. And there's a difference in not doing anything themselves and taking a decision made during a mission on their own without you having any input. A stern talking too isn't really going to cut it for a reprimand to me.

 

If that sort of thing is a rare occurrence then meh I'll get over it. But if it becomes common just because we have low approval...I don't see (In character wise) the Inquisitor wouldn't have them replaced. Might have to trudge with them from the beginning but once you're established...

 

I'll wait for the game to hit before deciding that. DA has had some...questionable advertising in the past. (good lord that medieval babes video won't get out of my head. So stupid...so creepy). Awesome button wasn't much better.

 

Well to be fair they wouldn't have to be punished if they weren't insubordinate in the first place

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I've always seen it as the Inquisitor is the heart of the Inquisition while the others take different roles. Using the advisors as examples, Leliana is the mind due to the intelligence she gathers, Cullen is the shoulder due to it moving the arm of the Inquisition which is its armies, and Josephine is the face due to being our representative.

[Chernaya]

I don't think every character is going to immediately respect you and treat you like a superior/leader just because you have a glowy thing on your hand. We'll have to earn that respect. I want to work my way to that point but if everyone just automatically listened to my commands and didn't think for themselves I would be a tad perturbed. I would like an option to tell someone I disagree with them or am upset with their decisions, but the word 'punishment' just seems strange, like they're going to be forced to sleep in the kennels that night or something. xP

[BabyFratelli]

*snip*

 

Well to be fair they wouldn't have to be punished if they weren't insubordinate in the first place

 

Your impression might not be mistaken. Mine might be. Or we both could be. Imagine that, a member of the BSN being wrong. I shudder to think... 

[Ryzaki]

Your impression might not be mistaken. Mine might be. Or we both could be. Imagine that, a member of the BSN being wrong. I shudder to think... 

 

NEVER. The poor internet might blow

 

Seriously though all I want is to be able to be renedouche level of douchecanoe to everyone. That will have me content.

[Gervaise]

I seem to recall that the Dev said that this particular episode, Leliana's torture and her subsequent actions, do impact on the relationship she has with the Inquisitor.  We break off mid-way through a battle and naturally this is not something that the Inquisitor is going to deal with while they are fighting for their lives.    If Leliana survives and makes it back to Skyhold, then I'm pretty certain there will be a confrontation between you about it.

 

Leliana was presumably sent there to get information.   As a good spy she would have discovered far more about Alexius than was apparent from that short clip.   She probably knows he can't be trusted.   She probably knows far more about what his real agenda is.   She also knows that apparently Alexius is buying time to allow reinforcements to arrive.    Her experienced makes her believe that taking immediate direct action is necessary.     As has been pointed out, she did not disobey a direct order since the Inquisitor decided to negotiate and our Spymaster advisor saw that as a poor decision.

 

I think it is probable that no matter what you say, you will end up fighting Alexius.    Suppose the Inquisitor had chosen "Let him go".    May be Leliana would have still killed him or may be once he felt his son was safe Alexius would have attacked.    We just don't know.

 

It is best not to get all riled up over a scene when we don't have the full picture.    After playing the game, if Leliana (or anyone) disobeys a direct order and you are not allowed to deal with it, then come back and complain.

[Roamingmachine]

Honestly, in an apocalypse scenario where you are the only being able to stop it, you shouldn't put up with crap from anyone. "Kneel or you will be knelt". Their personal issues dont even make it to the list of priorities when you got demons pouring through to the world left, right and center.

[Samahl]

"I'm not mad, Leliana. I'm just disappointed."

 

This is the worst punishment I can think of, tbh.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I seem to recall that the Dev said that this particular episode, Leliana's torture and her subsequent actions, do impact on the relationship she has with the Inquisitor.  We break off mid-way through a battle and naturally this is not something that the Inquisitor is going to deal with while they are fighting for their lives.    If Leliana survives and makes it back to Skyhold, then I'm pretty certain there will be a confrontation between you about it.

 

Leliana was presumably sent there to get information.   As a good spy she would have discovered far more about Alexius than was apparent from that short clip.   She probably knows he can't be trusted.   She probably knows far more about what his real agenda is.   She also knows that apparently Alexius is buying time to allow reinforcements to arrive.    Her experienced makes her believe that taking immediate direct action is necessary.     As has been pointed out, she did not disobey a direct order since the Inquisitor decided to negotiate and our Spymaster advisor saw that as a poor decision.

 

I think it is probable that no matter what you say, you will end up fighting Alexius.    Suppose the Inquisitor had chosen "Let him go".    May be Leliana would have still killed him or may be once he felt his son was safe Alexius would have attacked.    We just don't know.

 

It is best not to get all riled up over a scene when we don't have the full picture.    After playing the game, if Leliana (or anyone) disobeys a direct order and you are not allowed to deal with it, then come back and complain.

LoL what logic is that if cullen will chop mages leaders on during negotiations becuase he he saw that as poor decision will you excuse him with that you didn't gave him direct orders to not chop mages? No after such performance he would be kicked out of military organization at best.

 

Inq was during negotiations then leliana does what she wants and put in risk entire team and success of the mission.

 

If inq can't respond properly on such actions he is leader in name only in fact as far leliana and cassandra seems to be leaders of Inquisition because as far they have much more power there than inq (who was shown have no power whatsoever).

[Milan92]

This whole discussion is kind of pointless though. I believe Bioware said there would be no floggings or lashings or anything like that in one of repulsive threads. Chances are you just give them a good talking to. 

 

What about a good spanking?

[Pierce Miller]

God I really hope you arent a leader of anything in real life if those are the only two options that seem viable to you when faced with insubordination

Military insubordination......Oh wait you thought I meant in every single situation ever?

[Basement Cat]

What about a good spanking?

She'd just enjoy that.

[SofaJockey]

In DA2 my LI Merril and Isabella abandoned me in the fade to face my death and we just sweetly made up afterwards...

[DavoRaydn]

The inquisition might be seen as a military organisation with a chain of command. However the companions/advisors are there because they choose to be. They have their own reasons to do what they do. They aren't drafted or conscripted. They can choose not to obey and you might be able to choose to not recruit them or kill them or they may leave when they disagree with the inquisitor.

 

They don't have any obligation to adhere to a "traditional"chain of command like a regular army would have.  

[Twilight_Princess]

I'm going to have to agree with the OP, we can't have the advisors ( people we can't tell to go sling their hook like we can with the companions) disobeying orders like that without some sort of consequence. If you are supposed to be a leader you can't afford to have an advisor who "decides" on a whim to do what they want after you've given a specific instruction. I know what she did wasn't as dramatic as what Anders decided what was "best to do", but the point is I wouldn't trust someone like Anders around and wouldn't trust leliana if I knew she was also going to "do what's best" rather than listen to the Inquisitor.

 

I hope the Inquisitor can tell her off after that , at least warn her not to disobey an order like that again or something.  Can't be having that in a military organization.

[Chari]

The advisors are advisors. Not your servants. They lend a hand to solve the Breach problem. They have their own soldiers, influence and resources and they chose to join you for the sake of the world
Meaning that they do not have to obey your every word since you are not really their boss, but rather a partner
If they did the Inquisitor would quickly turn into a Tyranquisitor

[Wulfram]

Executing Leliana is probably a good way to end up without much of an Inquisition any more.  But you should be able to respond to it, yes.

[Jazzpha]

My Inquisitor doesn't even really want to be part of the organization at first anyway, so my guess is he'll be fine with letting the advisors advise and what not.

But he does draw the line at things that out himself in physical danger-- or his friends out in the field, once he starts warming up to his companions, bit by bit.

So he's not so much strictly adherent to the chain of command on principle, as he is virulently opposed to the idea of stupid plans getting people put in harm's way for no reason. If that line gets crossed, then he'll get really mad.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The advisors are advisors. Not your servants. They lend a hand to solve the Breach problem. They have their own soldiers, influence and resources and they chose to join you for the sake of the world
Meaning that they do not have to obey your every word since you are not really their boss, but rather a partner
If they did the Inquisitor would quickly turn into a Tyranquisitor

Inquisition is inq organization so his soldiers and advisors are his/her subordinates or at least that what they said us.Pretty much if they don't want obey orders of main leader there should be option to tell them to leave i don't rly see point in subordinates that don't listen if i can't do that pretty much i have no power whatsoever.