Exactly. She halved the enemy combatants in the inevitable fight that would occur once Alexius had nothing to stop him from attacking.
I would've done the same thing in her situation since I believe in combat pragmatism and there are no rules in dealing with the enemy.
The storeowner has the bargaining highground, so if you try to change the deal they can refuse your business. Exact same thing.
And the Inquisitor would be the storeowner in this analogy, not Leliana. It's not her deal to refuse.
Given Alexius was surrounded by Leliana, the Inquisitor and three others why would he attack after getting his son? Clearly he cares about keeping Felix alive.
Given Alexius was surrounded by Leliana, the Inquisitor and three others why would he attack after getting his son? Clearly he cares about keeping Felix alive.
Exactly, perhaps if we send someone else the conflict could be resolved more diplomatically but the fact remains that Leliana defied orders, which is a grievous crime in this situation.
lol... I doubt that. I was thinking of it earlier but now that it's been mentioned, I am guessing that there are very few people who would have been fine with Fenris taking it upon himself to kill Anders (abomination) or Merrill (blood mage) without any input from the player. What if Sebastian just put an arrow into Ander's brain rather than threatening to come back with an army? I won't bother listing any other possibilities because it just sounds flat out implausible that people would really be okay what that. These aren't even people who would have been considered subordinates... these are just fellow adventurers that hung out with Hawke, and they still didn't randomly go off the deep end... eh... except for that one time with Anders, of course.
A big difference between Anders(before he started a war) or Merrill and Alexius. The latter is an antagonist who from the looks of things killed an entire castle worth of people. If Sebastian killed Anders unless explicitly ordered not to(just like how Leliana has an option for that in DAI), I'd have loved that actually since it gives the character more depth by being independent instead of just the protagonist's puppet.
And the Inquisitor would be the storeowner in this analogy, not Leliana. It's not her deal to refuse.
The Inquisition is the store owner in my analogy. But fine, if you want it to change Leliana is the cashier and the Inquisitor is the store owner. The principle still stands.
Given Alexius was surrounded by Leliana, the Inquisitor and three others why would he attack after getting his son? Clearly he cares about keeping Felix alive.
Because he thinks he'll be taken prisoner
Because he thinks he'll be killed by the Inquisitor
Because he thinks he'll be killed by his boss if he betrays them
There are many reasons.
None of which would likely involve his son living.
The Inquisition is the store owner in my analogy. But fine, if you want it to change Leliana is the cashier and the Inquisitor is the store owner. The principle still stands.
And the cashier is to follow store policy, which is dictated by their superiors. If they decide to act in a manner that breaks said policy, they should expect to be reprimanded in some fashion.
And the cashier is to follow store policy, which is dictated by their superiors. If they decide to act in a manner that breaks said policy, they should expect to be reprimanded in some fashion.
As I said, if the store owner allowed the customer to dictate the purchasing they would be stupid to do it.
None of which would likely involve his son living.
Felix can run for it in those options. And it is possible for him to live if they fight compared to if he thinks death is certain. A small chance is still a chance afterall.
Hold up, our intelligence/assassination leader has no authority to assassinate him?
Not if we're trying to use him as leverage in negotiations, she doesn't.
As I said, if the store owner allowed the customer to dictate the purchasing they would be stupid to do it.
Who said we'd be allowing them to dictate anything? Within this situation, my next course of action would be to notify Alexius that he has one more chance to give us the amulet, or I will have Leliana kill his son. Of course, Leliana's decision to throw away our only bargaining chip makes this impossible.
Felix can run for it in those options. And it is possible for him to live if they fight compared to if he thinks death is certain. A small chance is still a chance afterall.
I don't think a worried parent would think like that. The best chance Felix would have of making it out is if Alexius followed through with the deal.
LoL inq tried to negotiate she killed him when it wasn't her decision to make and risked life of entire team and the success of the mission because her mental instability. Pretty much some peoples try be defensife of their favorite characters i bet there would be aruging if inq said to release him and she killed him anyway that she was tortured and had every right and punishment would be morally wrong.
I don't think a worried parent would think like that. The best chance Felix would have of making it out is if Alexius followed through with the deal.
Unless he thinks that doing so will result in his and his son's certain death by betraying their master. Would you fight with a 1% chance of your child living or continue with the deal with a 0% chance of your child living? Almost every parent would choose the former.
Unless he thinks that doing so will result in his and his son's certain death by betraying their master. Would you fight with a 1% chance of your child living or continue with the deal with a 0% chance of your child living? Almost every parent would choose the former.
As i said it wasn't her decision at worst it was lose-lose situation because she kills his child there is a fight if negotiate and it will fail same outcome at worst at best we will gain help in that situation.Not to mention that he already said the elder one was after him.
Unless he thinks that doing so will result in his and his son's certain death by betraying their master. Would you fight with a 1% chance of your child living or continue with the deal with a 0% chance of your child living? Almost every parent would choose the former.
So, question: how would your reaction differ if the Inquisitor did choose the direct order for Leliana to release Felix, and she still killed him?
Watching it again, I'm curious why he is looking straight at Leliana when he says, "Let him go and I swear I'll give you whatever you want". It's almost like he is dealing with her in that line since he never looks at the Inquisitor while saying that.
Watching it again, I'm curious why he is looking straight at Leliana when he says, "Let him go and I swear I'll give you whatever you want". It's almost like he is dealing with her in that line since he never looks at the Inquisitor while saying that.
Probably a psychological fixation on the one who actually has the knife.
A big difference between Anders(before he started a war) or Merrill and Alexius. The latter is an antagonist who from the looks of things killed an entire castle worth of people. If Sebastian killed Anders unless explicitly ordered not to(just like how Leliana has an option for that in DAI), I'd have loved that actually since it gives the character more depth by being independent instead of just the protagonist's puppet.
Hm... it's interesting that you'd actually agree with the Sebastian example. I think that level of acceptance would be rare among players, but I'm willing to take your word on it. As I'm reading this, however, you seem to be contradicting yourself.
You claim that you want more depth and independence, yet you are not in favor of someone, such as Fenris, acting according to his ideals outside of situations involving potentially hostile antagonists... Do you recall the mission where Anders/Justice attempted to kill a mage after the party saved her from Ser Ulric? Does it make any sense that Fenris would stand there and wait for you to talk Anders down rather than simply put a greatsword through his back? You see the problem with your stance? Fenris is merely an adventurer and is not beholden to Hawke in any way, yet he is expected to wait for Hawke to pacify an abomination that he knows, hates, and mistrusts, while a young girl's life is at stake. On the other hand, Leliana, a member of an organized group that employs some type of command structure is free to act according to her whims in a situation that could potentially lead to everyone being massacred?
Watching it again, I'm curious why he is looking straight at Leliana when he says, "Let him go and I swear I'll give you whatever you want". It's almost like he is dealing with her in that line since he never looks at the Inquisitor while saying that.
Which makes sense because she's the one with the dagger at Felix's throat.
So, question: how would your reaction differ if the Inquisitor did choose the direct order for Leliana to release Felix, and she still killed him?
Still wouldn't care. The boy is already dead but cursed to be undead by his father, killed who knows how many innocent people in Redcliffe Castle alone, and I believe for certain the moment he'd be released Alexius would turn on us anyway. So all she did was the pragmatic thing to do for us and the merciful thing to do for Felix.
Still wouldn't care. The boy is already dead but cursed to be undead by his father, killed who knows how many innocent people in Redcliffe Castle alone, and I believe for certain the moment he'd be released Alexius would turn on us anyway. So all she did was the pragmatic thing to do for us and the merciful thing to do for Felix.
So, at what point did she gain a doctorate in Undead Medicine from the University of Minrathous? What makes her qualified to determine what's a mercy for Felix or not, especially without any sort of examination?
As for the rest, it's not pragmatic at all to turn a fight with an unknown probability of occurring into a certainty, especially when the person we're dealing with presumably knows quite a bit about the Breach. He may be a mass murderer, sure, but so was Bhelen, and he worked out pretty well.
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