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[teenparty]

If you search youtube, you'll find videos of cut content from the first two games. A lot of these include very interesting dialogue. It baffles me that any of it got cut.

[ElitePinecone]

Sometimes they record dialogue and the quest for it no longer exists. 

 

I don't think they'd just cut things for no reason.

[Kantr]

All cuts made are done for a good reason as said before by the devs.

 

Everything has cuts done to make it better from books to music to movies and plays.

[SerCambria358]

Shouldn't we assume that there's a legitimate reason why they're cut?

 

You say this as if the devs do it for no reason at all beyond limiting content. I highly doubt this is the case

[Fortlowe]

I'm probably be in the minority, but too frequently I found myself missing out on party banter due to loading screens or cut scenes or combat. The banter starts unexpectedly just when I'm about to do something else and then it's impossible to hear it again. I wish there were a way to reload or manually trigger the party banter that we have already heard anytime after it has been played. Maybe from the codex? A tall order, I'm pretty sure, and not a problem at all for PC players most likely, but still, it's a gripe I've had with the series for some time.

 

In fact, having a way to manually trigger party banter anytime, without having to endlessly reload a hub would be a godsend. I've played the games dozens of times for years and I'm certain I still haven't heard all of the banter. I know how you play is the greatest factor determining how much content you experience, but I hate not getting it because I walked into a banter zone at the wrong time or not enough times.

[Sylvius the Mad]

All cuts made are done for a good reason as said before by the devs.

Everything has cuts done to make it better from books to music to movies and plays.

We aren't all going to agree about what's better.

The content in DAO about Wynne objecting to the Warden's use of Blood Magic was probably cut to prevent players from losing the game's only dedicated healer as the result of a choice made much earlier. Personally, I like those sorts of consequences, but some people find them frustrating.

Cutting the content improves the game for one group, while harming the game for another group.

[PsychoBlonde]

All cuts made are done for a good reason as said before by the devs.

 

Everything has cuts done to make it better from books to music to movies and plays.

 

In fact, one rule of thumb for good writing is "trim it down as far as you think possible, and then find a way to cut another 15% no matter how much it hurts."

 

People always want more of something they like.  The thing is, though, that if it were the bloated mess it would become if the stuff DIDN'T get cut, they probably wouldn't like it.

[LiquidLyrium]

We aren't all going to agree about what's better.

The content in DAO about Wynne objecting to the Warden's use of Blood Magic was probably cut to prevent players from losing the game's only dedicated healer as the result of a choice made much earlier. Personally, I like those sorts of consequences, but some people find them frustrating.

Cutting the content improves the game for one group, while harming the game for another group.

 

Except you could still lose her anyway both with the Ashes or during Broken Circle so I'm not sure that's the most solid example.

 

But yes, there is always going to be cut content, especially with a huge project like a video game. I mean, it's inevitable, you have to cut certain dialog because certain quests or sub-plots are dropped or changed. You can't reference something that didn't happen, for instance...

[Zatche]

We aren't all going to agree about what's better.

The content in DAO about Wynne objecting to the Warden's use of Blood Magic was probably cut to prevent players from losing the game's only dedicated healer as the result of a choice made much earlier. Personally, I like those sorts of consequences, but some people find them frustrating.

Cutting the content improves the game for one group, while harming the game for another group.

I figured it was so you didn't lose both Templars and Mages for the Battle at Denerim.

[wiccame]

We aren't all going to agree about what's better.

The content in DAO about Wynne objecting to the Warden's use of Blood Magic was probably cut to prevent players from losing the game's only dedicated healer as the result of a choice made much earlier. Personally, I like those sorts of consequences, but some people find them frustrating.

Cutting the content improves the game for one group, while harming the game for another group.

But wasn't that cut because it could potentially lead you to destroying both the mages and templars and not being able to complete the quest. They couldn't find a way around it so they cut it. That's probably why a lot of dialogue is cut, having an idea that they can't implement. Or that the dialogue leads to a boring story that they no longer want to tell, or timing constraints.

[TurretSyndrome]

I'm sure they don't do it for fun. You should be glad that you were atleast able to watch the cut content on Youtube.

[Kantr]

We aren't all going to agree about what's better.

The content in DAO about Wynne objecting to the Warden's use of Blood Magic was probably cut to prevent players from losing the game's only dedicated healer as the result of a choice made much earlier. Personally, I like those sorts of consequences, but some people find them frustrating.

Cutting the content improves the game for one group, while harming the game for another group.

You could kill wynne if you took Morrigan though

[Sylvius the Mad]

Except you could still lose her anyway both with the Ashes or during Broken Circle so I'm not sure that's the most solid example.

But those were both immediate consequences as a result of choices that clearly led in that direction. I don't think those are comparable.

[Sylvius the Mad]

But wasn't that cut because it could potentially lead you to destroying both the mages and templars and not being able to complete the quest. They couldn't find a way around it so they cut it. That's probably why a lot of dialogue is cut, having an idea that they can't implement. Or that the dialogue leads to a boring story that they no longer want to tell, or timing constraints.

Granted. Though in that case, I would have preferred that destroying both just lead to a failed quest which then made the end of the game harder.

[Patriciachr34]

I would prefer that Bioware release a DLC of all of the cut dialog in jpegs.  This way we can enjoy the additional banter from our favorite characters.  Even better, have the dialog play over a slide show of DAI Artwork.  How cool would that be!

[Realmzmaster]

Cut content is not new in any media. A lot of ideas never make it to the final product from movies to books. I do not believe that many readers ask writers for the rough draft copies of their works to see what ideas did not make it into the final product or ask for the edited versions before the final product.. 

 

The only reason it is left in video games is that it probably more of a pain to remove it than to let it stay in.

[Ribosome]

You didn't say the magic word, so no.

[Sidney]

Watch the Director's Cut of a lot of movie and often it is more but not better - some films benefit from additional footage but many times they will not. Authors always lose parts of their works as they edit. Musicians refine and change songs as they work. There is no shock that games being even more dynamic than those forms are going to lose and change and add material.

[Xilizhra]

We aren't all going to agree about what's better.

The content in DAO about Wynne objecting to the Warden's use of Blood Magic was probably cut to prevent players from losing the game's only dedicated healer as the result of a choice made much earlier. Personally, I like those sorts of consequences, but some people find them frustrating.

Cutting the content improves the game for one group, while harming the game for another group.

I think the reason was actually that it broke the game, due to leading to the deaths of both Irving and Greagoir, and screwing the Warden out of Circle allies.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I don't mind cut content. Particularly not if that lead to the rest of the game being more polished.

 

It's bugged unreachable dialogue that bugs me XD

[Nefla]

I'm probably be in the minority, but too frequently I found myself missing out on party banter due to loading screens or cut scenes or combat. The banter starts unexpectedly just when I'm about to do something else and then it's impossible to hear it again. I wish there were a way to reload or manually trigger the party banter that we have already heard anytime after it has been played. Maybe from the codex? A tall order, I'm pretty sure, and not a problem at all for PC players most likely, but still, it's a gripe I've had with the series for some time.

 

In fact, having a way to manually trigger party banter anytime, without having to endlessly reload a hub would be a godsend. I've played the games dozens of times for years and I'm certain I still haven't heard all of the banter. I know how you play is the greatest factor determining how much content you experience, but I hate not getting it because I walked into a banter zone at the wrong time or not enough times.

Or at least do like some games and have like a transcript of the last _____ spoken lines by any character or NPC that you can read.

[SerTabris]

Or at least do like some games and have like a transcript of the last _____ spoken lines by any character or NPC that you can read.

 

Origins had one of those, but I don't think party banter and other 'incidental' dialogue was included.  I would have liked it if it were.

[Nefla]

Origins had one of those, but I don't think party banter and other 'incidental' dialogue was included.  I would have liked it if it were.

Some games do include stuff like that though, even random background dialogue from NPCs you walk by. But yeah I hate missing the party banter T_T

[Sylvius the Mad]

In fact, having a way to manually trigger party banter anytime, without having to endlessly reload a hub would be a godsend.

That would be awesome! I've never thought of that before.