What I don't get is, if this list surfaced on Origin Russia, shouldn't it technically be visible to all other Origin regions as well?
Unless I'm mistaken, Origin operates under the same network/server regardless of locale.
I'm sure that in the 24 hours or so since it "leaked" - if it was a real leak - someone at Origin HQ madly flipped a switch and hid it.
There are actually three or four things there that have never been mentioned by the developers, anywhere.
Could be fake, but let's wait and see. I think it's very real.
Well, BioWare might have put up all their most spoilery concept arts for the game online already or it is fanmade.
Some stuff is clearly from concept arts: dragon taming, Timeless Keymaster. Some stuff were big speculations among the fandom after Legacy, the E3 trailer, the GI videos of last year and even website update. The only thing I haven't found source for is Stargazer, this concept art is the closest to it (by the name not the description).
On top of that some stuff could be made up if it is fanmade, like the multiplayer or the Inquisition gameplay systems. Also, the list is missing things that should be there and the wording is all wrong for the DA series. Also, Origins has no reason to "tests" unfinished achievements, they don't make them.
I'm just gonna throw this out there that the multiplayer was extremely easy and all it took was a part of your afternoon to get high enough to get that scene. besides I doubt that scene is going to end up being little more than an easter egg.
Reasons why I think this is a fake list:
1. 50 achievements have historically been the number for vanilla DA games, and this list fills that out, meaning that in all likelihood, the list would be representative of the complete game, and thus not incomplete.
2. Historically, there were 'hidden' achievements in Dragon Age, ones that showed the various branching paths, be it templars or mages, elves or werewolves, paragon or renegade, and there are no branching achievements like it.
3. If multiplayer was created and available, I really doubt that only one achievement would be devoted to it.
4. The 'maker's breath' achievement for single-hit damage strikes me as a very odd name, and I would expect it to be more along the lines of 'big hitter' or 'lethal'
5. Given the...less than spectacular reputation of Dragon Age II , and the fact that a completely new engine is being used, I have doubts that Dragon Age II achievement icons are being used as placeholders, rather than a unique default icon, and I find it a little convenient that multiplayer got its own unique icon to make it visually distinguishable from the rest.
6. A lot of the story achievements are either reasonable guesses or already revealed through official channels, and I think Bioware has held back enough to still hold surprises either for later reveal or for the game proper.
I find it a bit hard to believe Corypheus is the final villain. The devs have hinted time and again that whoever is behind the Breach has been planning this for quite some time, that s/he made sure every major power in Thedas was ocuppied in the meantime and Corypheus was asleep until, at the very least, 10 years ago.
I find it a bit hard to believe Corypheus is the final villain. The devs have hinted time and again that whoever is behind the Breach has been planning this for quite some time, that s/he made sure every major power in Thedas was ocuppied in the meantime and Corypheus was asleep until, at the very least, 10 years ago.
If I remember correctly BioWare has also mentioned that we have NOT met the big bad at all.
Reasons why I think this is a fake list:
1. 50 achievements have historically been the number for vanilla DA games, and this list fills that out, meaning that in all likelihood, the list would be representative of the complete game, and thus not incomplete.
Without DLCs DAO had 83 achievements on the PC.
Saying that Microsoft cap how many achievements you can have in a base game and DLCs.
Even if this is real, I'm not sure it implies that Corypheus is the main enemy. He could just be related to the warden plot alone. That's how I've always guessed he'd be involved, if he's part of the game.
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There's no more evidence for it being made up than it being real, though. At this point I think it's real, but I don't think we can answer this question satisfactorily either way.
I'd expect that a real list would refer to things they've talked about, and there *are* some things there that they haven't talked about. I don't think you should write those off as "you know clearly any fans could've made this up".
Whether it's fake or real we won't be able to prove it either way until release.
BioWare will of course neither confirm nor deny and why should they, that seems the most effective tactic for them.
In practice, unless anything else pops up to corroborate this, the matter will quickly drop back into the general rumour mill.
I find it a bit hard to believe Corypheus is the final villain. The devs have hinted time and again that whoever is behind the Breach has been planning this for quite some time, that s/he made sure every major power in Thedas was ocuppied in the meantime and Corypheus was asleep until, at the very least, 10 years ago.
Could be a scenario where we are led to believe Corypheus is the big bad and defeating him ends up being only the half way point in the game, and once we beat him **** hits the fan for realz.
There's no more evidence for it being made up than it being real, though. At this point I think it's real, but I don't think we can answer this question satisfactorily either way.
I'd expect that a real list would refer to things they've talked about, and there *are* some things there that they haven't talked about. I don't think you should write those off as "you know clearly any fans could've made this up".
The evidences are not in the content which could only be validated once the game is out, it is in the presentation:
- Origin UI cropped out
- Not having the game box image in the "my profile" achievement tab while it is in the my game one (that page is not even shown).
- Wording is all wrong for a DA game: use present tense and not past tense, telling to put x point into a skill tree, using Inquisition or Inquisitor in description (last one isn't even done in the ME games. There is no Warden, Hawke or Shepard mentioned in achievements).
- The Venturing Forth icon has text on it.
- Origins doesn't make the achievements (text and art), there is no reasons for them to have placeholders with typos, duplicates, etc so far away from release.
- Dragon Age Inquisition is missing the TM in the achievement page (all my games on Origin have it, even when I set the language to Russian).
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If I set my Origin in Russian, the game details page doesn't have a Russian title like in the leaked screens either.
Could be a scenario where we are led to believe Corypheus is the big bad and defeating him ends up being only the half way point in the game, and once we beat him **** hits the fan for realz.
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And yet, I think those are all evidence for it being real.
The unfinished presentation, typos and placeholder images make a pretty persuasive argument that this was a version of the achievements that was never meant to be revealed to the public.
Yeah I think it's pretty legit, if it wasn't they'd have said so already. The reason I say this is because when we had wrong information before about the game from the magazines, it was immediately notified to us. No reason for them not to do the same now. People are calling it fake because it looks unfinished, but it's the other way around. If it had looked finished, then it would be a fake since a lot of things in the game are still being worked on.
I will say that if anyone dislikes multiplayer and therefore doesn't want to even consider the possibility of it being true, I suggest you just suck it up and assume that it's going to be in the game. You'll save yourself further headaches. Maybe there's a possibility for it to be cut at the last second because they can't figure out how to make it work, but they did say that the game is mostly feature complete.
For me, this is interesting news. While I would've liked a simple co-op mode to play the main campaign with friends, it might not be there. I'm betting on it being some kind of survival mode with increasingly difficult stages where you're party members are other Inquisitors. Either way, I'm looking forward to know what it really is.
Corypheus coming back is fully expected, he survived DA2 and was a hanging plot thread. He was definitely showing up again. Thing is though, he only survived Hawke because a Grey Warden was nearby for him to body hop to. I was just thinking killing him will be possible this time because he won't have that option. Then it hit me... Yes he will. We have a Grey Warden party member. If I'm right that party members can suddenly die well before the end (like I said in my Sera thread a little while back), we might lose another party member in that fight. Bring him and Corypheus body hops to him and then you have to kill your own companion to kill Corypheus.
I might be wrong, but anyone reading this thread? Don't bring that party member. Don't risk it.
And yet, I think those are all evidence for it being real.
The unfinished presentation, typos and placeholder images make a pretty persuasive argument that this was a version of the achievements that was never meant to be revealed to the public.
I'm asking it again. Why would Origin have unfinished achievements? They don't make them.
Also, evidence that the Dragon Age Inquisition is photoshopped in the achievement page is an evidence that it's real? It should be Dragon Agetm: Inquisition like it is written everywhere else in Origin right now. Even when you are using the Russian language (it's super easy to change the language and test this for yourself).
I find it a bit hard to believe Corypheus is the final villain. The devs have hinted time and again that whoever is behind the Breach has been planning this for quite some time, that s/he made sure every major power in Thedas was ocuppied in the meantime and Corypheus was asleep until, at the very least, 10 years ago.
Corypheus coming back is fully expected, he survived DA2 and was a hanging plot thread. He was definitely showing up again. Thing is though, he only survived Hawke because a Grey Warden was nearby for him to body hop to. I was just thinking killing him will be possible this time because he won't have that option. Then it hit me... Yes he will. We have a Grey Warden party member. If I'm right that party members can suddenly die well before the end (like I said in my Sera thread a little while back), we might lose another party member in that fight. Bring him and Corypheus body hops to him and then you have to kill your own companion to kill Corypheus.
I might be wrong, but anyone reading this thread? Don't bring that party member. Don't risk it.
I really like this idea.
If nothing else is correct, I kind of want this to be an option. lol
Yeah, there's no evidence to suggest Corypheus is the end boss but he probably serves some major role perhaps as a secondary antagonist. This seems fitting considering his connection with The Fade.
I find it a bit hard to believe Corypheus is the final villain. The devs have hinted time and again that whoever is behind the Breach has been planning this for quite some time, that s/he made sure every major power in Thedas was ocuppied in the meantime and Corypheus was asleep until, at the very least, 10 years ago.
After reading Asunder and TME, I don't have the impression that some puppet master was behind the scenes guiding the mage-templar war or the Orlesian civil war conflicts. There was no hint of that at all in either book. The mages and templars were going to clash and Orlesian politics fell apart because of Celene and Gaspard. I didn't see a puppet master preparing Ferelden/Orlesian tension either.
I don't think Bioware would tell us what happened in the books was important to understanding the mage-templar conflict and Orlesian CW to then tell us something like "Psyche! It was the big bad the whole time. He possessed Adrian and made a deal with Gaspard to make bad things happen and create a distraction. You couldn't have gleaned that from the books but that's how it all happened."
What is plausible to me about the big bad's planning is that s/he has been planning to open the breach for a long time but has not engineered big problems in Thedas to keep it unnoticed - Corypheus had about three years to infiltrate the Wardens, get support from Tevinter magisters, and plan his invasion into the GC.
What's plausible to me is that once the breach is open the big bad will then do whatever s/he can to prevent a unified front against them so taking advantage of and continuing but not engineering the mage-templar conflict, the Orlesian CW, and Orlesian/Ferelden politics etc. - the Tevinter Magisters interfering in Circle affairs and popping up as random enemies is Southern Thedas are followers of the Elder One (another profile Corypheus fits as an ancient magister) and are being used to do this. He could also use the Wardens to mess things up which would explain the liberation achievement, and also Red Templars who in the first demo were attacking an established Inquisition stronghold and not a mage stronghold, and using the magisters, wardens, and templars to muck stuff up could easily be something he planned out ahead of time.
And Corypheus being the main villain makes sense to me because he provides a good premise for a big Fade breach in the first place - he wants to get to the GC. Someone else could want the same thing but he had unfinished business at the end of DA2 and has been set up to be in DAI. It just makes sense to me that he's the villain.
And Corypheus being the main villain makes sense to me because he provides a good premise for a big Fade breach in the first place - he wants to get to the GC. Someone else could want the same thing but he had unfinished business at the end of DA2 and has been set up to be in DAI. It just makes sense to me that he's the villain.
Which is exactly the reason why I DON'T want him to be. It's too predictable, too boring, too unimaginative, too "been there, done that".
And I mean, magisters of Old Tevinter being responsible for the end of the world? What a novel concept. It's not like Tevinters are ever made to be the villains!
Which is exactly the reason why I DON'T want him to be. It's too predictable, too boring, too unimaginative, too "been there, done that".
And I mean, magisters of Old Tevinter being responsible for the end of the world? What a novel concept. It's not like Tevinters are ever made to be the villains!
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