Alan's actually fairly reasonable, if rather dismissive and snarky. He's at least willing to debate points.
I've been called a fool, a weakling, a coward, even evil for my stance on the endings.
That's silly. You're only slightly annoying, at worst. And that's not for your words, but how they just keep popping up in barely different forms.
Other than that, I think you're fine.
That's silly. You're only slightly annoying, at worst. And that's not for your words, but how they just keep popping up in barely different forms.
Other than that, I think you're fine.
I don't. I used to think he was ok, even somewhat funny from all the humor I found in his emotional distress, but the whole going on schtick about how you're a bad person if you support any of the ending choices sort of wore on me.
Guess who made said comments.
I don't. I used to think he was ok, even somewhat funny from all the humor I found in his emotional distress, but the whole going on schtick about how you're a bad person if you support any of the ending choices sort of wore on me.
Guess who made said comments.
Yeah, but its usually in that side-remark way that at least for me, lets me easily pass over it like "Lol nope.. not even reading further."
That's better than directly insulting. Not so much IRL, but on forums.
Yeah, but its usually in that side-remark way that at least for me, lets me easily pass over it like "Lol nope.. not even reading further."
That's better than directly insulting. Not so much IRL, but on forums.
I don't think I've ever directly insulted him. He might say otherwise, but it'd be in a rather untrue manner. I've never gone 'haha, iakus is an idiot.' I simply say that he's a principles zealot, and that principles are going to weigh him down when you get to the moment of truth.
Come on, gang. The Reapers are the first true melting pot. Peopleburger preserved in a shell. Machines doing what they're told by another machine. This is a story of survival of the fittest. They have been killing us by the billions. We built the Crucible. We're up there. They are different than us. They already chose themselves as the pinnacle of life. It comes down to survival and I am not going to choose them. End of story.
Kinda sucks you have to shoot through the hostages to get to them though.
Sucks even more they don't even realize the hostages doesn't even realize they're hostages
Kinda sucks you have to shoot through the hostages to get to them though.
Sucks even more they don't even realize the hostages doesn't even realize they're hostages
The hostages lives are inconsequential. People die. You pick up and move on.
It's them or all of us. And there was no way that it was ever going to be any different.
I don't. I used to think he was ok, even somewhat funny from all the humor I found in his emotional distress, but the whole going on schtick about how you're a bad person if you support any of the ending choices sort of wore on me.
Guess who made said comments.
Certainly wasn't me. I've had quite pleasant conversations with some people who liked the endings. I find the endings bad. Even terrible. But you're not a bad person for liking them.
I just wish Bioware actually followed through on providing a wider range of them.
The hostages lives are inconsequential. People die. You pick up and move on.
It's them or all of us. And there was no way that it was ever going to be any different.
And there's the problem.
And there's the problem.
That's not really the problem. Why should it had to have been different?
Simple answer: There should never have been more than the blurry "They need organics to repuduce"-stuff we got in ME2.
That's not really the problem. Why should it had to have been different?
For a variety of endings, because it would appeal to at least part of the audience.
But we're drifting off topic
Simple answer: There should never have been more than the blurry "They need organics to repuduce"-stuff we got in ME2.
Heck the cycles being purely for reproductive purposes would have been good enough for me.
If they could have moved past "essence of a species" and explain how cloned material wouldn't have worked.
Kinda sucks you have to shoot through the hostages to get to them though.
Sucks even more they don't even realize the hostages doesn't even realize they're hostages
This is the thing. Are they hostages? See I subscribe to Marmalade Theory... or Peopleburger Theory. It's ground up people stuffed inside a shell. Is hamburger alive? No. It's dead. Then they build a computer to run the ships and the computer is controlled by Starbrat. Every organic civilization must be harvested in order to bring order to the chaos. How much control does Starbrat have? Absolute.... if you believe the Control ending.
The husks or different races versions of husks? dead, and controlled by the nearest reaper capital ship. They're zombies.
So where are the hostages? There aren't any. The only hostages are the ones who are about to be processed into ground people.
I guess it depends upon how you look at things. Now with the Geth? Synthetics? Well, since I've taken care of that problem before they became fully self aware as individuals with the reaper code, it's not a problem in the end. Aria makes up for the lost war assets on Omega. "that's my couch?!" War Assets +2000.
McReapers. Over 90 trillion peopleburgers 'served'.This is the thing. Are they hostages? See I subscribe to Marmalade Theory... or Peopleburger Theory. It's ground up people stuffed inside a shell. Is hamburger alive? No. It's dead. Then they build a computer to run the ships and the computer is controlled by Starbrat. Every organic civilization must be harvested in order to bring order to the chaos. How much control does Starbrat have? Absolute.... if you believe the Control ending.
The husks or different races versions of husks? dead, and controlled by the nearest reaper capital ship. They're zombies.
So where are the hostages? There aren't any. The only hostages are the ones who are about to be processed into ground people.
I guess it depends upon how you look at things. Now with the Geth? Synthetics? Well, since I've taken care of that problem before they became fully self aware as individuals with the reaper code, it's not a problem in the end. Aria makes up for the lost war assets on Omega. "that's my couch?!" War Assets +2000.
Wouldn't that be closer to being a peoplerito?
McReapers. Over 90 trillion peopleburgers 'served'.
I like mine with ketchup and mustard. Hold the pickle.
Name me an instance of awakened AI in the MEU that did not at least kill (or otherwise get him/her completely out of the picture, i.e. the Citadel AI) it's direct creator(s).
They all did.
You can use example from every cycle, except the Zha'Til. Because they are the MEU's true, and only example natural Synthesis. (and only rebel against their creators when the Reap0rz come along)
Synthetics haven't proven themselves to be any more dangerous than organics. The Rachni and Krogan posed a far greater threat to the civilizations of the current cycle than the Geth ever did, and no one is suggesting some bizarre synthesis solution to the potential threat they pose. Additionally in most of the conflicts between synthetics and organics in the lore the organics have triumphed over the synthetic opponents. The Leviathans destroyed the synthetic faction that had rebelled against one of their client races, and the Protheans thrashed both the Metacons & the Zha Til.
What reason is there to accept the Catalyst's position that a potential problem of rebelling synthetics must be solved by robbing the galaxy of free will, and turning every sapient organic into some sort of partially synthetic abomination? Why not just deal with any future war with synthetics the way any other war is waged and hammer them with conventional military forces? It has worked before.
Finally, the Catalyst is no more capable of predicting the future than Miss Cleo. It possesses no special powers or clairvoyance, and the prediction that synthetics will inevitably destroy organic life is nothing more than the result of highly flawed programming by the Leviathans. Both it and they are fallible.
The Catalyst provides no compelling argument for doing anything other than shooting the tube and blasting it to oblivion.
So the creation of more allies isn't necessarily a good enough motivation for reproduction? Reapers might not be afraid of death from old age, but increasing your power base ensures that death from other sources is also less likely. The Geth made more Geth to help defend themselves - as well as the fact that it improved their collective intelligence.
No, you didn't understand what I've said. Reproduction for reproduction is organic, it's life that preserves life. If there's reproduction for synthetics it's for another purpose than giving birth. That's what I've said in my first post. That's something you can't disagree because it's a fact of life. Biology, philosophy, and sociology prove what I've said.
You agree with me when you say that Geth do it because they defend themselves or improve their intelligence, they don't do it just for doing it. Reproduction for Reapers as a motivation doesn't make sense.
edit : so Mass Effect 2 new information can't be the motivation of the Reapers and the writers have never seen it this way.
"We harvest your bodies, your knowledge, your creations. We preserve it to be reborn in the form of a new Reaper."
The Reapers are the last vestiges of the civilizations from which they are created, possibly the "essence" of the civilization. I'm not sure that makes them hostages, but I don't discount there may be some value to them as unique representatives of the civilization that would be lost if destroyed. Of course, they're also maniacs, so there's that...
See this is brilliant... They grind up the body. It's dead. There went the brain as well. So no mind. And where did they get the creations? I guess they scanned the worlds as they were destroying them and made a data file. But "you develop along technological paths we desire. Your civilizations rise and at their apex are extinguished." So really, are the civilizations that much different? They all got to a particular point which is about the same each cycle give or take a thousand years. So, you've got dead meat plus a data file, plus something that says....
"It is not something that you can comprehend. Every civilization must be harvested in order to bring order to the chaos."
Well, it's right. I don't comprehend it because it's just a machine. This time the organics are taking control.
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I don't think the Reapers were just grinding up the bodies.
They were also adding herbs and spices.
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I don't think the Reapers were just grinding up the bodies.
They weren't; they were melting them alive, then funneling their processed remains through the reaper erector set. However the macabre fabricator works doesn't really matter in the end. It's all just screaming death anyway.
They weren't; they were melting them alive, then funneling their processed remains through the reaper erector set. However the macabre fabricator works doesn't really matter in the end. It's all just screaming death anyway.
I guess it's more like people pudding in a shell, then. Or people mousse if you prefer. It's dead. It's inside a machine.
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