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[Algalorn]

While true that you would be helping some Qunari, she makes it clear that keeping the list out of Orlesian hands helps a whole lot of non-Qunari.  Many of the people on the list are no longer followers of the Qun, and the list only represents a segment of the people who would be harmed by its release.  The children of the people on the list would have been persecuted, regardless of their beliefs.  Non-Qunari friends, family, and other close associates would also have been targeted because of their association.  Tallis is adamant that she's trying to get the list back to save everyone who might be hurt by it, not just the sleeper agents.

 

Giving the list to Hawke solves both problems, to be sure, but Tallis taking it is not just a 'help the Qunari' move.

 

 

I also think of it. Many innocent people would be affected if Salit was not dead. However, Duke was a relative of Empress Celene. Let's see what consequences this will have on DAI.

[Dabrikishaw]

I hope I get to kill Tallis if she shows up. 

[Mistic]

While true that you would be helping some Qunari, she makes it clear that keeping the list out of Orlesian hands helps a whole lot of non-Qunari.  Many of the people on the list are no longer followers of the Qun, and the list only represents a segment of the people who would be harmed by its release.  The children of the people on the list would have been persecuted, regardless of their beliefs.  Non-Qunari friends, family, and other close associates would also have been targeted because of their association.  Tallis is adamant that she's trying to get the list back to save everyone who might be hurt by it, not just the sleeper agents.

 

Giving the list to Hawke solves both problems, to be sure, but Tallis taking it is not just a 'help the Qunari' move.

 

Fair enough, but Hawke has only one option in the end to say "well, maybe that list should be out of Qunari hands". Even the most racist and murderous Hawke has to care about collateral damage when dealing with Qunari spies? I mean, if those Qunari spies pass on important information about Thedosian defenses and the Qunari invade, wouldn't that cause innocent victims too? It's especially jarring if the quest was done in Act 3: the Qunari had already caused the death of many innocents, hindering them may be perceived as preventing more Kirkwalls.

 

That's the problem with the whole quest. The adventure itself was fun and I liked Tallis as a character. The railroading? Not so much.

 

To be honest, I regretted having to kill Prosper. The man invited you to a party, could even invite your sibling (especially hard in the case of Circle!Bethany), was always polite, didn't kill you and Tallis after breaking into his palace, and all he did was because he had Orlais' best interests in mind. Then TME revealed that he had always been a good friend of Celene's family. Contrary to Lady Mantillon, he never forced Celene to do anything in exchange of his help and Emperor Florian had to call him away so Celene would be alone and helpless. For an Orlesian noble, he was nice.

[TK514]

Fair enough, but Hawke has only one option in the end to say "well, maybe that list should be out of Qunari hands". Even the most racist and murderous Hawke has to care about collateral damage when dealing with Qunari spies? I mean, if those Qunari spies pass on important information about Thedosian defenses and the Qunari invade, wouldn't that cause innocent victims too? It's especially jarring if the quest was done in Act 3: the Qunari had already caused the death of many innocents, hindering them may be perceived as preventing more Kirkwalls.
 
That's the problem with the whole quest. The adventure itself was fun and I liked Tallis as a character. The railroading? Not so much.
 
To be honest, I regretted having to kill Prosper. The man invited you to a party, could even invite your sibling (especially hard in the case of Circle!Bethany), was always polite, didn't kill you and Tallis after breaking into his palace, and all he did was because he had Orlais' best interests in mind. Then TME revealed that he had always been a good friend of Celene's family. Contrary to Lady Mantillon, he never forced Celene to do anything in exchange of his help and Emperor Florian had to call him away so Celene would be alone and helpless. For an Orlesian noble, he was nice.

I agree, I actually liked the guy too. You're right, in our interactions he was nothing but a gentleman and a fair host. Certainly he loses his temper a couple of times, but who can blame him? A '"don't murder Duke Prosper" ending would have been refreshing. However...the not killing you outright after the break-in was apparently at the request of Tallis' former mentor. The Duke mentions it either on the balcony when you first escape or during the three-way confrontation at the end, before the Qunari becomes wyvern chow.

Still, his worst crime in our presence was being a loyalist, so it's hard to see him as nefarious.

[Mistic]

I agree, I actually liked the guy too. You're right, in our interactions he was nothing but a gentleman and a fair host. Certainly he loses his temper a couple of times, but who can blame him? A '"don't murder Duke Prosper" ending would have been refreshing. However...the not killing you outright after the break-in was apparently at the request of Tallis' former mentor. The Duke mentions it either on the balcony when you first escape or during the three-way confrontation at the end, before the Qunari becomes wyvern chow.

Still, his worst crime in our presence was being a loyalist, so it's hard to see him as nefarious.

 

Yeah, I wish we had that option.

 

Is that so? Sigh, I missed that part, but even in that case Prosper doesn't earn negative points, since he had every reason to kill us except being nice to the person he was negotiating with.

 

True, he was just a loyalist. To make things worse, had you left him be, his acts wouldn't have harmed you, your family, your friends or your home, contrary to other DA examples of "I did what I had to do for my country" (coughLoghaincough).

[TK514]

Yeah, I wish we had that option.

 

Is that so? Sigh, I missed that part, but even in that case Prosper doesn't earn negative points, since he had every reason to kill us except being nice to the person he was negotiating with.

 

True, he was just a loyalist. To make things worse, had you left him be, his acts wouldn't have harmed you, your family, your friends or your home, contrary to other DA examples of "I did what I had to do for my country" (coughLoghaincough).

 

Absolutely true.  As Hawke is a Ferelden/Kirkwallite/Free Marcher, it is unlikely the the plight of Orlesians would have sufficed as a general motivation.  Of course, my Hawke was a goody twoshoes, so all she would have had to say was 'innocents in danger' and he'd have been off poisoning wyvern food and sneaking through Orlesian chateaus all the day long.

 

Prosper aside, it is entirely possible that, since she was on an unsanctioned mission, she didn't mention it to her superiors.  It really was presented as a personal quest on her part to protect the innocent.  Her presence in the DLC at all suggests she has a wide degree of personal latitude in her operations.  Her report on the operation may read like a generic 'attempted to return TV to Qun, was forced to eliminate' if she even needed to report it at all.  It's not even as though we're given any indication that this is the only copy of The List.  For all we know, it's just a copy of the memo penned by Jerry Qunire about how the Qun should treat it's sleeper agents like people rather than commodities.

[Chari]

I wouldn't mind
Just don't make her slightly Mary Sueish, Bioware. You can make a badass female character without dumbing down her numerous level 1 opponents like you did it in the first introduction scenes of Isabella and Tallis
Edit: first, not best

[Roninbarista]

I've never understood the need for the developers to consistently put Hawke into a position of impotence, with the list being the last example of that. Forcing Hawke into allowing Tallis to take the list simply made the entire story pointless. You basically paid money to help the Qunari, which is grating if you're anti-Qunari.

 

I would have loved the option to nab that list, and send Tallis away.  

[Magdalena11]

I'm over any resentment I felt over Tallis.  Sure she did amazing backflips and wiped out the level 1 mooks nearly singlehandedly, which is pretty blatant kill-stealing, but there are lots of chances to get those XP back.  I just look at the combat sequence as part of the cutscene and figure Hawke was never going to get XP for the kills.  Rogue Hawke not given the chance to offer to pick the cell lock on her own and being scripted to fail would have been worse than having it done for her.  

 

Totally cool with Felicia Day and loved Tallis in that DA miniseries.  MotA had some really cool stuff in it.  There's no reason at all she shouldn't get recognition for the contributions she's made to the company.  She's also got a lot of fans.  

 

As far as Prosper, I'm of no opinion.  Hawke breaks into his home with the intention of robbery and he doesn't try to kill her until she tries to get away.  Fair enough.  That's why I usually step on his fingers and get it over with rather than leaving him dangling, as it were.  As Celene's uncle, I can't wait to see if that has any impact on dealing with marcher Treveleyn (going to have to learn to spell that before November.)

[Roninbarista]

I agree, I actually liked the guy too. You're right, in our interactions he was nothing but a gentleman and a fair host. Certainly he loses his temper a couple of times, but who can blame him? A '"don't murder Duke Prosper" ending would have been refreshing. However...the not killing you outright after the break-in was apparently at the request of Tallis' former mentor. The Duke mentions it either on the balcony when you first escape or during the three-way confrontation at the end, before the Qunari becomes wyvern chow.

Still, his worst crime in our presence was being a loyalist, so it's hard to see him as nefarious.

 

Well the Duke is Orlesian. He had to go.

 

I jest, I jest. Seriously y'all, put the murder knife away. Put it away. I repent.  

 

I liked the Duke. He was funny, charming, and maybe a touch insane when his temper got the best of him. I suppose we might have gotten a completely different story if the Duke lived. Would he hold a grudge against Hawke and company? Would he take the list and tell Hawke if he leaves now, he'll forget/forgive this incident?

 

It would have been funny if Duke Propser would have proclaimed he's coming to Kirkwall to break not Hawke's home, steal his valuables, and abruptly leave.

[TK514]

Well the Duke is Orlesian. He had to go.

 

I jest, I jest. Seriously y'all, put the murder knife away. Put it away. I repent.  

 

I liked the Duke. He was funny, charming, and maybe a touch insane when his temper got the best of him. I suppose we might have gotten a completely different story if the Duke lived. Would he hold a grudge against Hawke and company? Would he take the list and tell Hawke if he leaves now, he'll forget/forgive this incident?

 

It would have been funny if Duke Propser would have proclaimed he's coming to Kirkwall to break not Hawke's home, steal his valuables, and abruptly leave.

 

The image of Prosper trying to make off with Sandal's enchantment chest is an amusing one.

 

Then I remember what happens to things that cross Sandal.  Poor Prosper.

[Mistic]

It would have been funny if Duke Propser would have proclaimed he's coming to Kirkwall to break not Hawke's home, steal his valuables, and abruptly leave.

 

That should happen at least once in a game. An NPC coming into your house, looking through your things and stealing some coins and random items.

 

Time to ask if Skyhold will have a dog.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I rly hope they will never mention her again horrible character that makes other iq 60 to look smart.Pretty much we can yell at her face that we will kill her when she is right in front of hawke and says "are you sure" then hawke stands there like moron and watches her slowly going away when he said that he will kill her.

[Chron0id]

God I hope not.  Freaking hate Felicia Day.

[Roninbarista]

The image of Prosper trying to make off with Sandal's enchantment chest is an amusing one.
 
Then I remember what happens to things that cross Sandal.  Poor Prosper.

That's a scene I'd love to see. OMG Duke would soon regret his spiteful visit to Kirkwall.

[sandalisthemaker]

Not a Tallis fan, and I hated being railroaded into letting her go with the info on the Qunari sleeper agents.

 

If she and Bull have history together/ are buddy-buddy/ have screwed around in the past, there may be problems.  For Bull.

 

Just sayin.

[Roninbarista]

That should happen at least once in a game. An NPC coming into your house, looking through your things and stealing some coins and random items.
 
Time to ask if Skyhold will have a dog.

That's a bold person breaking into Skyhold. I imagine it depends on which or whose room the unlucky thief breaks into.

[shananagens]

i hope not the constant fortune cookie wisdom realy got on my nerves

[Kingthlayer]

I always figured she would be back in Inquisition since before the title was Inquisition, with the way MOTA ended, with no way at all to kill or even stop Tallis from reaching her goal, it clearly shows BioWare is not done with the character.

 

I initially thought she'd be a companion  this time around, but that's come and gone, I still expect her to have a somewhat significant questline in Inquisition though.