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[Dabrikishaw]

We all know what sides we stand on, we all know who we support and why, but what if that wasn't relevant anymore? What would a magic free Thedas even BE like? Would the quality of like improve without Darkspawn and Demons? How would Thedonesian like advance without needed to rely on spells for anything?

[The Baconer]

Would the quality of like improve without Darkspawn and Demons?

 

They were brought into the world by the workings of magic, but they don't continue to exist through it. How would erasing magic make all the Darkspawn disappear?

[Icy Magebane]

What kind of question is this?  Of course the would would be better without darkspawn and demons... lol

 

I guess the world would look a lot like Par Vollen, since the Qunari invented gunpowder first, and the only thing keeping them in check is Tevinter.

[Samahl]

Thedosians hardly rely on magic as it is. To quote Merrill, "It just seems... wasteful for humans to lock their mages away where they can't do any good."

 

Anyway, without magic, Thedas may as well be an Earth AU.

[Wulfram]

The Qunari would conquer everyone, probably

[Jazzpha]

Depends. If it just up and vanished tomorrow, I assume a lot of the old bitterness and hate between mages and non-mages would still exist.

 

If you mean theorizing a Thedas where magic never existed at all, I'm sure other prejudices and points of difference would have created just as much discord and occasional violence as any other civilization's experienced. As I see it, the whole process of determining "others" as different from yourself is a baseline animal instinct that's very, very hard to avoid, and with it comes distrust of things that're different, or that you don't understand.

 

So really, it's six of one, half-dozen of the other.

 

Except that magic is totally badass and stuff.

 

EDIT: Oh, I misunderstood the question. Seems like we're asking what would happen to the current societies of Thedas if magic just up and vanished.

 

Yeah, the technologically-superior civilization would conquer the planet, if they felt the imperialistic desire to do so. In this case, that's the Qunari.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yep it would be much better but it would be still be bad as i said before.

[LobselVith8]

We all know what sides we stand on, we all know who we support and why, but what if that wasn't relevant anymore? What would a magic free Thedas even BE like? Would the quality of like improve without Darkspawn and Demons? How would Thedonesian like advance without needed to rely on spells for anything?

 

I don't think the darkspawn would necessarily cease to exist if magic didn't exist anymore, since we don't even know what causes the taint and corruption, or who the first darkspawn actually were; there are so many debates about Corypheus' dialogue in Legacy that it's uncertain if the so-called Golden City wasn't already Black before the Magisters arrived, and if that was the case, whether or not the Magisters were even the first darkspawn. Since the taint seems to allow for the darkspawn to use magic (rather than the Beyond, as it is with ordinary mages), things might be a lot worse for everyone else if magic was removed from Thedas for the non-darkspawn population.

[berelinde]

Demons and darkspawn don't rely on magic for their continued existence, so they'd still be there. And there would be nothing to stop the Qunari from conquering the rest of Thedas, so yeah, I suppose if would be a regular paradise. As long as you don't mind following the Qun.

[Dabrikishaw]

I don't think the darkspawn would necessarily cease to exist of magic didn't exist anymore, since we don't even know what causes the taint and corruption, or who the first darkspawn actually were; there are so many debates about Corypheus' dialogue in Legacy that it's uncertain if the so-called Golden City wasn't already Black before the Magisters arrived, and if that was the case, whether or not the Magisters were even the first darkspawn. Since the taint seems to allow for the darkspawn to use magic (rather than the Beyond, as it is with ordinary mages), things might be a lot worse for everyone else if magic was removed from Thedas for the non-darkspawn population.

Good point about the Darkspawn since magic may not have been the cause of them, but that's not quite what I meant.

 

Demons and darkspawn don't rely on magic for their continued existence, so they'd still be there. And there would be nothing to stop the Qunari from conquering the rest of Thedas, so yeah, I suppose if would be a regular paradise. As long as you don't mind following the Qun.

Well, I meant if Demons and Darkspawn were to vanish as well. 

[Feybrad]

The Qunari would conquer everyone, probably

 

Yeah, pretty much that. I'd give it Decade before th Qunari would waltz in and steamroll over Thedas.

 

Continuing that Thought, if Thedas wouldn't ever have had Magic, then the Kossith Race would probably be the only surviving intelligent Race on the Planet... just like it happened with (Latin name for Humans) Sapiens and (Latin Name for Humans) Neanderthalensis.

 

Edit: They really censor the latin Name for Humans... isn't that a little too far?

[Samahl]

Well, I meant if Demons and Darkspawn ere to vanish as well. 

 

So really, your question is, "what if Dragon Age wasn't Dragon Age?"

[Icy Magebane]

Edit: They really censor the latin Name for Humans... isn't that a little too far?

lol... I'm sure they figure it's better safe than sorry.  You'd probably be better off calling them "homosapiens," and not bothering with proper spelling.

 

Anyway, whoever masters the use of gunpowder first is going to shape the future of any world... magic is more of a blessing to Thedas than its inhabitants realize.  Well, apart from the blights and darkspawn...

[Feybrad]

Anyway, whoever masters the use of gunpowder first is going to shape the future of any world... magic is more of a blessing to Thedas than its inhabitants realize.  Well, apart from the blights and darkspawn...

 

The Qunari do have Gunpowder.

[MisterJB]

They were brought into the world by the workings of magic, but they don't continue to exist through it. How would erasing magic make all the Darkspawn disappear?

The Darkspawn rely on the Taint to sustain them. They don't eat or age.

I doubt their bodies have developed ways of processing food. If the Taint, which is magical in nature, were to disappear, they would starve, age and be unable to pass it to females so they become Broodmothers. Eventually, if they didn't just disappear, they'd die out.

[LobselVith8]

Good point about the Darkspawn since magic may not have been the cause of them, but that's not quite what I meant.

 

Well, I meant if Demons and Darkspawn were to vanish as well. 

 

As many others have said, I imagine the Qunari would be a serious issue for people, since mages played a role in dealing with their advanced weaponry during the New Exalted Marches. It's noted in the Chantry historical account, "The greatest advantage that the Chantry-led forces had against the Qunari was, in fact, the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the Qunari appeared to harbor a great hatred for all things magical. They possessed mages, but these were little better than animals kept on leashes... and none of the Qunari mages possessed anywhere near the skill that the Circle's mages had. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire and it proved effective indeed."

 

That's simply my opinion, of course.

[Pierce Miller]

If all magic was removed then I'd lose interest in the world and play some other games.

[Pahldus]

If all magic was removed then I'd lose interest in the world and play some other games.

This +1

[Maria Caliban]

Technically, removing magic would mean the death of the setting or at least the psychological destruction of all animal life. At least that's my take on things.

[TheJediSaint]

Technically, removing magic would mean the death of the setting or at least the psychological destruction of all animal life. At least that's my take on things.

 

Don't you mean physiological?  Or is magic the only think keeping animals from dying from existential ennui?

[The Baconer]

The Darkspawn rely on the Taint to sustain them. They don't eat or age.

I doubt their bodies have developed ways of processing food. If the Taint, which is magical in nature, were to disappear, they would starve, age and be unable to pass it to females so they become Broodmothers. Eventually, if they didn't just disappear, they'd die out.

 

Good point, I had forgotten about the eating bit.

[azarhal]

Technically, removing magic would mean the death of the setting or at least the psychological destruction of all animal life. At least that's my take on things.

 

Yep. I get the feeling that magic is a lot more linked to life (in Thedas) than people here think it is. It's not just casting spells. It's dreams, blood, lyrium, etc.

[metalfenix]

If magic was removed from thedas, we could have the middle ages with extra species (elves, qunari, dwarfs).

 

Besides, the anti-mages would be bored to hell.

[Eveangaline]

I assume all dragons would disappear, but what about qunari? Qunari are rumored to be mixed with dragons, would the species all die or just change to remove whatever dragony elements they had?

 

Same with elves, they seem to have some inherent magic (isn't magic stated to be one of the reasons they can't make elven kids with humans?) so what happens to them?

 

Also since I presume the fade is either destroyed or simply locked where it can't reach their world, what happens to peoples dreams or ghosts afterlives?

[Feybrad]

I assume all dragons would disappear, but what about qunari? Qunari are rumored to be mixed with dragons, would the species all die or just change to remove whatever dragony elements they had?

 

Same with elves, they seem to have some inherent magic (isn't magic stated to be one of the reasons they can't make elven kids with humans?) so what happens to them?

 

Also since I presume the fade is either destroyed or simply locked where it can't reach their world, what happens to peoples dreams or ghosts afterlives?

 

This is the first time I've heard that Rumor about Qunari and it is far from confirmed. In every Speculation we have to assume they are not related to Dragons and gained their Features by Evolution - entirely plausible.

 

The same with Elves (and Dwarves) - they could by all means be just Sub-Species of Humanity as it is confirmed that they can all porduce Offspring with each other.

 

I, for once, believe that Elves, Dwarves and Humans are all "Breeds" of the same Species, akin to Dogs, for example (imagine Humans as the Labrador, Dwarves as the Pug and Elves as the Chihuahua or something... you get the Idea). The Relationship of Qunari and that "Humanlike" Race, I would assume it to be like, for example, the Relationship of Chimpanzees and Gorillas. Not quite the same Species, but closely related.

 

But that is OT and just as much Speculation as "Qunari are related to Dragons" - the Devs probably didn't even waste Time thinking about the evolutionary Origins of the Species.