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[UnknownIntrigue]

Recently GameInformer released a ranking of top ten RPG games for the previous gen consoles. And for the sake of variety in the list and ranking, only one game of each franchise is mentioned. In the ranking combinations of genres with RPG ilike action RPG or RTS RPG are taken into account. here is the list. 

 

10- Final Fantasy XIII

9 - Valkyria Chronicles

8 - Dragon Age: Origins

7 - Xenoblade Chronicles

6 - Diablo III

5 - The Witcher 2

4 - Dark Souls II

3 - Fallout 3

2 - Mass Effect 2

1 - The Elder Scrolls V : Skyrim

 

What do you think?

 

Here is the link to the source.

 

http://www.gameinfor...generation.aspx

[LPPrince]

First, I wouldn't put them in any particular order.

 

Second, I've played five of those titles, one of which only briefly before putting it down as something I wouldn't enjoy. That title was FFXIII.

 

Of the ones I've played and enjoyed, yes to Skyrim, yes to Origins, yes to TW2, and as far as Mass 2 goes, I'd instead say the first Mass Effect, as it could lead folks to the rest of the franchise and was absolutely a fantastic game. Mass 2 was good and was intrinsically a better made game than its predecessor, but it led the franchise in a direction it didn't need to go in which paid off bad in Mass 3.

[Heimdall]

I'm not sure I'd put Skyrim at the top of the list...

[ObserverStatus]

This list is dumb, Fallout New Vegas should be #1 but it's not even on the list.

[Liamv2]

Well I already hate this list. Diablo 3, skyrim at the top. FF13?!?!?!

[mybudgee]

What Prince said

[UnknownIntrigue]

First, I wouldn't put them in any particular order.

 

Second, I've played five of those titles, one of which only briefly before putting it down as something I wouldn't enjoy. That title was FFXIII.

 

Of the ones I've played and enjoyed, yes to Skyrim, yes to Origins, yes to TW2, and as far as Mass 2 goes, I'd instead say the first Mass Effect, as it could lead folks to the rest of the franchise and was absolutely a fantastic game. Mass 2 was good and was intrinsically a better made game than its predecessor, but it led the franchise in a direction it didn't need to go in which paid off bad in Mass 3.

 

Also, I would add to that DAO deserves to be much higher in rank. At lesat in top five imo.  Because it had much more freedom of choice than ME2. But as it is said in the article, not only freedom of choice, but also broadness or how big a game world is, hw innovative, how nonlinear, how well characterized were among the factors which the list is based on.

[UnknownIntrigue]

This list is dumb, Fallout New Vegas should be #1 but it's not even on the list.

 

They have explained such cases. It is said in the article that for the sake of variety in the list, only one game in each franchise is mentioned in the ranking. 

[Eternal Phoenix]

Skyrim at the top? As in the game that has non-existent decisions to be made in the main plot and sub stories? As in the game with bad dialogue and little dialogue to express personality for the player character? As in the game which is devoid of consequences? It's a sandbox RPG that simply doesn't compare to the likes of Dragon Age: Origins and The Witcher 2.
 
Also Dark Souls 2 on the list but not Dark Souls? I love DkS2 but Dark Souls was an instant classic with far more role-playing and consequences to your actions in the game world plus the world design was far better.
 
And Diablo 3? Seriously? I enjoy it but it's certainly not the best action RPG out.
 
The fact this list lacks titles like Dragon's Dogma also says it all. Notice how most of the games there are very recent and mainstream. Hell, they chose Dark Souls 2 over Dark Souls 1 probably only because it came out this year.

Where's Deus Ex Human Revolution? Where's Divinity: Original Sin? How does Final Fantasy XIII get on their list and not any of these games? LOL
 
Conclusion:
 
Screw this list.

[ObserverStatus]

They have explained such cases. It is said in the article that for the sake of variety in the list, only one game in each franchise is mentioned in the ranking. 

If they just picked the second best title from all their favorite franchises, where's Dragon Age II?

[Cheech 2.0]

Honestly I enjoyed most of those on the list with the exception of FFXIII. The position of games on the list would be different for me, to each his own though. Of coarse no Tales games made it lol, but I always route for the underdog " This is for the lady next door ! "

[UnknownIntrigue]

If they just picked the second best title from all their favorite franchises, where's Dragon Age II?

 

Dragon age 2 was a good game but was no way close to any of the above mentioned games. It lacked variety, innovation, content among other things. A very simple example was actually the repetitive use of same enviorment or place for several different quests for in supposedly different locations. 

[LPPrince]

Skyrim absolutely deserves to be on a list like this(regardless of its placement) because it transcended what people thought the limit was for an RPG's market, selling like hot cakes;because of that, and this is the important part, it became THE game that inspired the "open world" and "massive levels" design choices that are now making their way through gaming as a whole.

 

Had Skyrim not happened, it is very likely that the words "open world" wouldn't be so easily found behind the aims of so many developers and producers now.

 

My point being, Skyrim was historic for gaming. Might be hard to believe given its not even three years old yet, but in the long run, it will be remembered fondly by the gaming community. Actually the majority already does think of it fondly.

[slimgrin]

Skyrim at #1 is absurd. Both Oblivion and Morrowind crap all over Skyrim. And Diablo 3? Lol. 

[UnknownIntrigue]

Skyrim at the top? As in the game that has non-existent decisions to be made in the main plot and sub stories? As in the game with bad dialogue and little dialogue to express personality for the player character? As in the game which is devoid of consequences? It's a sandbox RPG that simply doesn't compare to the likes of Dragon Age: Origins and The Witcher 2.

 

I totally agree with you on that. The most consequence that a decision could have was that someone would like you and marry you or not. So many plot and story based quests and decisions and details were handles loosely. not to mention the hilarious bugs and glitches that were found in the game.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Skyrim absolutely deserves to be on a list like this(regardless of its placement) because it transcended what people thought the limit was for an RPG's market, selling like hot cakes;because of that, and this is the important part, it became THE game that inspired the "open world" and "massive levels" design choices that are now making their way through gaming as a whole.
 
Had Skyrim not happened, it is very likely that the words "open world" wouldn't be so easily found behind the aims of so many developers and producers now.
 
My point being, Skyrim was historic for gaming. Might be hard to believe given its not even three years old yet, but in the long run, it will be remembered fondly by the gaming community. Actually the majority already does think of it fondly.

Then it should be on a list for best selling games not for "best RPG" because most people will agree that it wasn't. I'm pretty sure that even most people who are fans wouldn't say something like "Skyrim offers better role-playing choices than The Witcher 2 or Dragon Age: Origins" and recognize it more as a sandbox RPG rather than something that can compare with more traditional role playing games with heavy story telling.

Also we had both Morrowind and Oblivion before Skyrim which had open worlds so Skyrim never needed to happen for this phase to exist. Besides, GTA V would have done the same thing with inspiring developers for open worlds, not to mention that GTA V's world is actually more varied than Skyrim's.

 

As for your last statement, the same was said for Oblivion but no one even talks about it now. The only TES game you'll hear mentioned still on its own is Morrowind which unfortunately suffered also from terrible gameplay but was an actual good RPG with an atmosphere Bethesda have never since reproduced.

[Vegeta 77]

Fallout 3 and me2 should be the top 2 but i would pick me2. And new vegas should be on this list.

[ObserverStatus]

Skyrim at #1 is absurd. Both Oblivion and Morrowind crap all over Skyrim. And Diablo 3? Lol. 

Diablo 3 > The Witcher 1. Neither of them were great, but at least Diablo 3 was interesting enough that I could motivate myself to finish.

[UnknownIntrigue]

 

Skyrim absolutely deserves to be on a list like this(regardless of its placement) because it transcended what people thought the limit was for an RPG's market, selling like hot cakes;because of that, and this is the important part, it became THE game that inspired the "open world" and "massive levels" design choices that are now making their way through gaming as a whole.

 

Had Skyrim not happened, it is very likely that the words "open world" wouldn't be so easily found behind the aims of so many developers and producers now.

 

My point being, Skyrim was historic for gaming. Might be hard to believe given its not even three years old yet, but in the long run, it will be remembered fondly by the gaming community. Actually the majority already does think of it fondly.

 

And again I have to agree weaknesses that we mentioned. One good thing that it did was bringing the concept of open world with its true nature and meaning to RPG genre. But it still lacked so many things. That open world thing is the only good thing that it brought. oh and keeping people occupied with endless quests.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

This looks more like a list of games rated solely on their popularity, rather than their role-playing potential. Morrowind and Neverwinter Nights (because of it's modding community) would definitely top on my list.

 

It also baffles me how Fallout 3 is on the list but not New Vegas, which in my opinion was a far superior game.

[UnknownIntrigue]

[LPPrince]

Then it should be on a list for best selling games not for "best RPG" because most people will agree that it wasn't. I'm pretty sure that even most people who are fans wouldn't say something like "Skyrim offers better role-playing choices than The Witcher 2 or Dragon Age: Origins" and recognize it more as a sandbox RPG rather than something that can compare with more traditional role playing games with heavy story telling.

Also we had both Morrowind and Oblivion before Skyrim which had open worlds so Skyrim never needed to happen for this phase to exist. Besides, GTA V would have done the same thing with inspiring developers for open worlds, not to mention that GTA V's world is actually more varied than Skyrim's.

 

As for your last statement, the same was said for Oblivion but no one even talks about it now. The only TES game you'll hear mentioned still on its own is Morrowind which unfortunately suffered also from terrible gameplay but was an actual good RPG with an atmosphere Bethesda have never since reproduced.

 

A sandbox RPG is still a role-playing game. Besides, "RPG" is a catch all term for a wide variety of games that allow for choices like those.

 

Skyrim absolutely had to exist for it. It was its massive popularity that caught the attention of developers and publishers everywhere. GTA V, while also a massive hit, did not spark the wave of "open world" ideologies that folks have had for a couple years now.

 

And we absolutely do hear about Oblivion to this day. Morrowind more so obviously, but Oblivion does get mentioned. We'll see in the future regardless.

[LPPrince]

 

One good thing that it did was bringing the concept of open world with its true nature and meaning to RPG genre.

 

That is its legacy, and that is why its on these types of lists. People will harp on about its faults, but in the end that game absolutely should be played so folks can understand what inspired this running theme in games today.

[slimgrin]

Skyrim absolutely deserves to be on a list like this(regardless of its placement) because it transcended what people thought the limit was for an RPG's market, selling like hot cakes;because of that, and this is the important part, it became THE game that inspired the "open world" and "massive levels" design choices that are now making their way through gaming as a whole.

 

Had Skyrim not happened, it is very likely that the words "open world" wouldn't be so easily found behind the aims of so many developers and producers now.

 

My point being, Skyrim was historic for gaming. Might be hard to believe given its not even three years old yet, but in the long run, it will be remembered fondly by the gaming community. Actually the majority already does think of it fondly.

 

Well, most devs covet Skyrim's success which is why they like to quote it. The few devs who really speak their minds, like Warhorse and CDPR, aren't so rosy about it. I'd argue Fallout 3 and Oblivion were the first to popularize an open world approach. Skyrim was just riding the wave of Bethesda's early efforts.

 

Edit- I do agree with you about ME2. Great game, wrong direction for the franchise.

[ObserverStatus]

The fact that they ranked Diablo III 2 slots higher than Dragon Age: Origins also adds to the pain of looking at this list.