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No, I'm not. I have yet to see any evidence of the Chantry dragging people off to convert or giving them no choice. If they did, the Dalish wouldn't exist at all because they'd have never been able to leave.
And accusing people of trolling can be considered trolling.
The Dalish managed to evade Chantry forces by heading to Ferelden, a region with warring teyrnirs that was considered backward by most human societies.
A country has a lot of people to crush into submission; the Dalish are the ones who escaped.
And they don't constantly hunt them down because...
Oh, right. They don't really care what the Dalish do as long as they do it away from populated areas.
Can the Elf Inquisitor become King/Queen if this happens?
And they don't constantly hunt them down because...
Oh, right. They don't really care what the Dalish do as long as they do it away from populated areas.
Actually, the human lords or lynch mobs drive the Dalish off when they stay in a region for too long, and templars pursue the clan as well; Merrill even explains that the clans are nomadic, in part, due to the templars, and that the elven mages tend not to use magic where templars might see them. The Chantry also outlawed the elven religion.
And they don't constantly hunt them down because...
Oh, right. They don't really care what the Dalish do as long as they do it away from populated areas.
And yet the Dalish are hunted down when templars know where they're at.
So long as they stay away and on the move, it's hard to track them down.
And they don't constantly hunt them down because...
Oh, right. They don't really care what the Dalish do as long as they do it away from populated areas.
I was referring to the conquest of the Dales; after the Dalish fled and became nomads, they were too hard to catch. However, again, the entire city elf population was forced to convert, as they were the ones who were caught.
Oh yeah, the humans are great at that! ...oh wait.
No they aren't. But why would I support the Elves in commiting the same atrocities to humans? And why would the multitude of human nations in Thedas allow the Elves to mistreat their fellow humans?
Again, where does it state elves have to be some kind of fantasy hippies that strive for equality for all? Humanity has held its boot on the throat of elvenkind of thedas for a long time. At this point humanity should be thankful if they only lose the foot in the boot. I seriously doubt that the elves would allow any kind of permanent human residency within their borders.
You honestly think that the Elves even pose a threat to humanity? Have you been out in the sun too long? If humanity wanted to, they could obliterate the Elves. It is the Elves who should be thankful that they still live.
The entire point of an elven kingdom is that the elves have self-determination over their own future, not to leave them at the mercy of humans who view them as (in Duncan's words) "less than people". We've seen what happens to elves under human rule - whether it's the purge in the Denerim Alienage that left countless dead, including children in the orphanage, or the massacre of thousands of elves in Halamshiral because Celene didn't want to appear weak - and I think an alternative is in order where the elves are masters of their destiny.
So in the name of the inequality the Elves suffer, they will bring even more inequality to the table! And you can drop the rethoric of a twelve year old, and stop listing events that you think helps your pathos. It only makes you seem even more pretentious.
At the same time an elf could become king of a human nation.
I would love nothing more. However after a few generations it would probably be a human again. Unless the Elven king would try to go all "racial purity madness", in which case he would probably be disposed off again soon.
Do you also object to the fact that this is true for every nation that currently exists in Thedas? Can a human become king of Orzammar? Can a Qunari become ruler of Orlais?
Yes? Why wouldn't I? I object to feudalism in general.
Killdren88, on 28 Jul 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:Can the Elf Inquisitor become King/Queen if this happens?
This would be interesting, an Elven Monarch. I don't think we can become royalty at all in this one though, sadly.
And yet the Dalish are hunted down when templars know where they're at.
So long as they stay away and on the move, it's hard to track them down.
Then the Sabrae clan in DA2 would have been driven out or killed. I mean, they are near Kirkwall, pretty much Templar HQ in the Free Marches.
Exalted Marches are militant actions. That's like saying the Crusades was about converting Muslims. They weren't, they were about capturing Jerusalem.
I see. So we'll simply ignore the fact that only the Divine has the authority to call for an Exalted March, and that they have been uniformly used as a means of solidifying the Chantry's power throughout history. Also, bringing in a real world example doesn't allow you to ignore historical fact as it pertains to Thedas. Jerusalem and the Crusades have nothing to do with the story of Thedas.
Alrighty, it's clearly futile to even try to reason with someone who likes to redefine words and phrases to dodge facts and proof.
Must be a nice view from that high horse.
I don't know. You tell me. My position is "Everyone has a good and bad side" while your position seems to be "The Dalish are better than the humans."
Then the Sabrae clan in DA2 would have been driven out or killed. I mean, they are near Kirkwall, pretty much Templar HQ in the Free Marches.
Go there in Act 3 and listen to their banter. The templars are coming in and are saying 'convert or die.'
Then the Sabrae clan in DA2 would have been driven out or killed. I mean, they are near Kirkwall, pretty much Templar HQ in the Free Marches.
Merrill explicitly addresses that this is a serious concern to Marethari in Act III, where she points out that the clan remaining in Sundermount leaves them vulnerable to the nearby humans. There's also the templars who tortured a child with fire to locate Feynriel in Act II.
That doesn't even touch on the Dalish mentioning that they have already faced threats to convert to the Andrastian faith, as DragonFlight points out above.
This would be interesting, an Elven Monarch. I don't think we can become royalty at all in this one though, sadly.
Why not? Since there is no monarchy established they can become the first in the royal bloodline. Granted of course...they may need a elven consort since the only elf female in our party is a Lesbian Doubt the Elves would want a half breed for their first ruler after the Inquisitor. Unless one of the the decrees is to have a open mind with relations with non elves.
Killdren88, on 28 Jul 2014 - 10:18 PM, said:Why not? Since there is no monarchy established they can become the first in the royal bloodline. Granted of course...they may need a elven consort since the only elf female in our party is a Lesbian. Doubt the Elves would want a half breed for their first ruler after the Inquisitor.
One of the writer's said that the Inquisitor can't become royalty
I see. So we'll simply ignore the fact that only the Divine has the authority to call for an Exalted March, and that they have been uniformly used as a means of solidifying the Chantry's power throughout history. Also, bringing in a real world example doesn't allow you to ignore historical fact as it pertains to Thedas. Jerusalem and the Crusades have nothing to do with the story of Thedas.
The Exalted Marches are to eliminate threats to the Chantry, not conversion. Otherwise they never would have stopped with the Qunari. Once the Qunari showed they weren't going to invade Thedas for the moment, the Marches stopped. While if they were about conversions, the Chantry would be like Tevinter and keep trying to push into Par Vollen.
Merrill explicitly addresses that this is a serious concern to Marethari in Act III, where she points out that the clan remaining in Sundermount leaves them vulnerable to the nearby humans. There's also the templars who tortured a child with fire to locate Feynriel in Act II.
And when confronted about it, the Knight-Lieutenant outright says "I don't care one bit for these knife-ears."
One of the writer's said that the Inquisitor can't become royalty
Ah then fair enough.
The Exalted Marches are to eliminate threats to the Chantry, not conversion. Otherwise they never would have stopped with the Qunari. Once the Qunari showed they weren't going to invade Thedas for the moment, the Marches stopped. While if they were about conversions, the Chantry would be like Tevinter and keep trying to push into Par Vollen.
Considering that the chief goal of the Chantry is to spread the chant of light to all of Thedas so the Maker can return, not being part of the religion constitutes a threat.
Go there in Act 3 and listen to their banter. The templars are coming in and are saying 'convert or die.'
Played the game many times, and have never heard it. Not saying you are wrong since the banter is randomized, but just I haven't heard that.
Merrill explicitly addresses that this is a serious concern to Marethari in Act III, where she points out that the clan remaining in Sundermount leaves them vulnerable to the nearby humans. There's also the templars who tortured a child with fire to locate Feynriel in Act II.
That doesn't even touch on the Dalish mentioning that they have already faced threats to convert to the Andrastian faith, as DragonFlight points out above.
I never had that quest. I sent Feynriel to the Circle to get the "Help Elf Apostates" Act 2 quest.
And wow, 3-6 years without incident from the Templars. They really seem to want to forcibly convert them.
No they aren't. But why would I support the Elves in commiting the same atrocities to humans? And why would the multitude of human nations in Thedas allow the Elves to mistreat their fellow humans?
So essentially, you have a philosophical objection to how all nations on Thedas are governed, thus you object to the creation of a new nation that follows this pattern. Is that accurate? If so, that's fine, but what would you have happen instead?
And when confronted about it, the Knight-Lieutenant outright says "I don't care one bit for these knife-ears."
So which is it? Do the Templars care about elves, or not? Sounds to me like they could care less about elves, and are only interested in mages.
No they aren't. But why would I support the Elves in commiting the same atrocities to humans? And why would the multitude of human nations in Thedas allow the Elves to mistreat their fellow humans?
You honestly think that the Elves even pose a threat to humanity? Have you been out in the sun too long? If humanity wanted to, they could obliterate the Elves. It is the Elves who should be thankful that they still live.
So in the name of the inequality the Elves suffer, they will bring even more inequality to the table! And you can drop the rethoric of a twelve year old, and stop listing events that you think helps your pathos. It only makes you seem even more pretentious
Getting personal, are we?
A small, determined minority can make the majority bleed for decades. And it is hard to mistreat a population that does not have a presence within your borders. This is the last reply I will give to you on this until you cool down.
The Exalted Marches are to eliminate threats to the Chantry, not conversion. Otherwise they never would have stopped with the Qunari. Once the Qunari showed they weren't going to invade Thedas for the moment, the Marches stopped. While if they were about conversions, the Chantry would be like Tevinter and keep trying to push into Par Vollen.
Arguably, the Chantry stopped that Exalted March because it was an expensive, bloody war (that they porbably could not win) and was destabilizing their position at home (because they aligned themselves with the Tevinter and by extension, the Black Divine). Long wars fought on foreign soil over foreign conflicts with ex-enemies tend not to be popular, and the Exalted Marches are as much a way to whip their followers into a pro-Orlesian Chantry frenzy as anything.
The Exalted Marches are to eliminate threats to the Chantry, not conversion. Otherwise they never would have stopped with the Qunari. Once the Qunari showed they weren't going to invade Thedas for the moment, the Marches stopped. While if they were about conversions, the Chantry would be like Tevinter and keep trying to push into Par Vollen.
An entry about the Exalted March against Tevinter addresses it as a war against the "heathens" of the Imperium.
I never had that quest. I sent Feynriel to the Circle to get the "Help Elf Apostates" Act 2 quest.
And wow, 3-6 years without incident.
You didn't address my point that Merrill addresses that the longer the Sabrae clan stays in Sundermount, the more danger it poses to the clan because of the nearby humans. There's also the issue of the Qunari and Meredith's attempts to consolidate control over Kirkwall to explain why most of the templar forces are diverted elsewhere.
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