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[MisterJB]

Right, the elves who think Thedas belong to them and that humans are plague-bearing rats wouldn't have bothered to ocuppy Orlais and drive our or kill the humans if they had won.

Yeah, sure. Elves are just immune to faillings of character.

[Steelcan]

Not rly separate... chantry was/is stronly pro-orlesian besides that their forces reside in orlais so pretty much even if you wanted you couldn't attack chantry without attacking orlais or even humans.  

 

They did kick them out from what i heard but they came back just with military force which pretty much would be seen as declaration of war even in our modern times.

then they shouldn't have attacked Orlais at all, they should have beefed up their own security and then dealt with it.

 

They came back with an unknown number of bodyguards, potentially after the March had been called

[Steelcan]

Right, the elves who think Thedas belong to them and that humans are plague-bearing rats wouldn't have bothered to ocuppy Orlais and drive our or kill the humans if they had won.

Yeah, sure. Elves are just immune to faillings of character.

just like Mages apparently

[TheJediSaint]

Right, the elves who think Thedas belong to them and that humans are plague-bearing rats wouldn't have bothered to ocuppy Orlais and drive our or kill the humans if they had won.

Yeah, sure. Elves are just immune to faillings of character.

 

Elvhenan cannont fail, it can only be failed.

[Xilizhra]

Technically the Chantry is a seperate organisation, in reality its not the clear of a distinction admittedly, but that's why they should have stepped up border security instead of invading.

 

Templars aren't any nations military, they are a religious order that serves the Chantry, and there is no evidence of any misconduct on their part, and as MisterJB said, we don't know if they arrived with the March or not, the elven account does not specify.

 

They sacked several cities besides Val Royeaux, for all we know they could have intended to grab more land, don't try and pain the elven attack as a limited operation designed to stop the Chantry.

Templars are the army of the Chantry. And there's no evidence of the elves simply wanting to seize land either. Moreover, why wouldn't the Chantry send templars in along with missionaries--after all, if people think it's justifiable here and now, why wouldn't they?

 

It's quite possible to write the whole conflict off as a mystery, due to conflicting opinions. It is not possible to simply claim that the Dalish were at fault and deserved it, without question.

[TheKomandorShepard]

then they shouldn't have attacked Orlais at all, they should have beefed up their own security and then dealt with it.

 

They came back with an unknown number of bodyguards, potentially after the March had been called

From what i have heard they did create something like border patrol so they tried possible it didn't worked or humans just striked first who knows.

[Steelcan]

Templars are the army of the Chantry. And there's no evidence of the elves simply wanting to seize land either. Moreover, why wouldn't the Chantry send templars in along with missionaries--after all, if people think it's justifiable here and now, why wouldn't they?

The templars are a branch of the chantry who bear arms, they are not an official army of a nation.  The elves view all of Thedas as their land, why wouldn't they seize the land?  Unless you thin they were going to voluntarily leave after they had sent their message, which I can only describe as an untterly naive view that gives the elves much more credit than they deserve

[Steelcan]

From what i have heard they did create something like border patrol so they tried possible it didn't worked or humans just striked first who knows.

have a quote?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

just like Mages apparently

 

Exactly! Filthy human scum just need KNEEL BEFORE Xils special snowflakes of choice!

[LobselVith8]

You'd think that near the end of the game the Inquisitor would have quite a bit of influence within Thedas, perhaps we can use this to help the elves or hinder them depending on your opinion.

 

That's my hope with my elven Inquisitor. With the Chantry relatively powerless without it's militant arm, and the Inquisition filling in the power vacuum, I can see that the organization would be in a position to make a positive difference for the Elvhen. Giving the elves a sanctuary from all the horrors of living under human rule is something I'd consider of paramount importance to a character who feels kinship to his people, rather than siding with two morally bankrupt nobles like Celene or Gaspard who want to rule a repugnant empire.

[MisterJB]

Let us remember how the Sabrae clan attacked, without provocation, the Claynes of Ferelden.

They are only isolationists when they are the weaker side.

[TheKomandorShepard]

have a quote?

I don't have WoT but someone posted quote (possible even in this thread) in this forum about some kind of order and that was discussed by few peoples.   

[Steelcan]

That's my hope with my elven Inquisitor. With the Chantry relatively powerless without it's militant arm, and the Inquisition filling in the power vacuum, I can see that the organization would be in a position to make a positive difference for the Elvhen. Giving the elves a sanctuary from all the horrors of living under human rule is something I'd consider of paramount importance to a character who feels kinship to his people, rather than siding with two morally bankrupt nobles like Celene or Gaspard who want to rule a repugnant empire.

"repugnant Empire" because Arlathan was SOOOOO much better

[Hellion Rex]

"repugnant Empire" because Arlathan was SOOOOO much better

Lol, based on what Felassan said, Arlathan was pretty cool, not at all like the Dalish thought it was.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

"repugnant Empire" because Arlathan was SOOOOO much better

 

But ya see Arlathan is already gone and the Elves are special snowflakes so it all equals out to Humans being da Debil!

[TheJediSaint]

Lol, based on what Felassan said, Arlathan was pretty cool, not at all like the Dalish thought it was.

Who swept the floors?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Who swept the floors?

 

The elven slaves! Muahahahahahaha!

[LobselVith8]

Templars are the army of the Chantry. And there's no evidence of the elves simply wanting to seize land either. Moreover, why wouldn't the Chantry send templars in along with missionaries--after all, if people think it's justifiable here and now, why wouldn't they?

 

It doesn't read that the templars accompanied missionaries, it reads that templars were sent after the missionaries were kicked out, which is a much more aggressive and violent tactic. Sending the militant arm of the Chantry into a nation that has rebuked converting to the Andrastian faith, and with free mages among the inhabitants, would have caused some serious problems. Assuming the Dalish historical account is correct and that the Chantry sent in armed and armored soldiers because the elves wouldn't convert to the human religion, the elves may have retaliated by attacking Red Crossing (which may have been where the templars who were entering the Dales were stationed).

 

It's quite possible to write the whole conflict off as a mystery, due to conflicting opinions. It is not possible to simply claim that the Dalish were at fault and deserved it, without question.

 

That's quite true. None of us know which historical account is the truth.

[Hellion Rex]

Who swept the floors?

The enslaved elves. Arlathan was certainly not a paragon of virtue.

[Hellion Rex]

 

That's quite true. None of us know which historical account is the truth.

In situations like this, it's often true that both accounts are somewhat accurate.

[LobselVith8]

"repugnant Empire" because Arlathan was SOOOOO much better

 

Felassan compared Arlathan to Orlais, but that ancient kingdom isn't the same as the nation of the Dales, which has generally been brought up due to speculation that Inquisition may involve a story where the elves are trying to remove the Orlesians from power in the region (especially after the massacre of Halamshiral and Briala's intent to free the elves).

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hmm an empire build on a foundation of Magic and slavery....

 

I think I know where Tevinter got the idea from!!!!

[LobselVith8]

Hmm an empire build on a foundation of Magic and slavery....

 

I think I know where Tevinter got the idea from!!!!

 

Since Felassan compared Arlathan to Orlais, are you saying Orlais is involved in slavery? Perhaps you share the elven Warden's possible view on the treatment of Orlesian elves?

[CroGamer002]

"Do the elves really need a homeland"

 

 

Ugh, yes?

[Pierce Miller]

CroGamer002, on 29 Jul 2014 - 3:39 PM, said:

"Do the elves really need a homeland"

 

 

Ugh, yes?

They actually need allies first, how would a nation survive on it's own unless it had immense amounts of power?