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[MisterJB]

Hypothetically, if the Orlesian army is trespassing in the Dales to attack either the Fereldens or the elves, then humans emerging from the east and the elves centralized in the south would be attacking from two fronts.

I'm no military expert but I believe two war-fronts ocurr if the enemy manages to force you to divide your forces. For instance, when Napoleon fought the Spanish, Portuguese and English in the Iberian Peninsula while contending with the russians way over East.

One army; even if composed of allied forces; sending multiple contigents in multiple directions doesn't count.

 

Edit: What Steelcan said.

[LobselVith8]

but that would be an armies push into a front, the actual front is still the east

 

If you have Fereldens soldiers attacking near the Heartlands (as they could emerge from Gherlen's Pass) and Dalish elves attacking near the Gamordan Peaks (near Vir Firmmin), thereby attacking the Orlesians from two geographically separate fronts. There's also the threat of Nevarra exploiting this to the north-east.

[Steelcan]

I'm no military expert but I believe two war-fronts ocurr if the enemy manages to force you to divide your forces. For instance, when Napoleon fought the Spanish, Portuguese and English in the Iberian Peninsula while contending with the russians way over East.

One army; even if composed of allied forces; sending multiple contigents in multiple directions doesn't count.

exactly, the Battle of the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge) wasn't opening new fronts for Germany, it was just pushing back on the Western Front

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm no military expert but I believe two war-fronts ocurr if the enemy manages to force you to divide your forces. For instance, when Napoleon fought the Spanish, Portuguese and English in the Iberian Peninsula while contending with the russians way over East.

One army; even if composed of allied forces; sending multiple contigents in multiple directions doesn't count.

 

You would be correct, Although the two differing "fronts" don't have to be separate from each other for it be a multiple front engagement.

 

For Example, you had multiple prongs for the Battles at Kursk and Stalingrad.

 

Gettysburg would be another good example of it, But to be exact, you don't even have to divide forces, you can send individual armies to each engagement and it would still count, it isn't advisable due to how it stretches supply lines and all, but people fail to realize that it does the same to the enemy repulsing those attacks, they have to match the aggressors.

 

I can chat military theory all day, but i do believe that wraps up the "front" issue.

[Steelcan]

If you have Fereldens soldiers attacking near the Heartlands (as they could emerge from Gherlen's Pass) and Dalish elves attacking near the Gamordan Peaks (near Vir Firmmin), thereby attacking the Orlesians from two geographically separate fronts. There's also the threat of Nevarra exploiting this to the north-east.

but unless Nevarra actually gets involved its still a one- front war

[LobselVith8]

but unless Nevarra actually gets involved its still a one- front war

 

Not if Ferelden and Dalish armies are attacking nearly simultaneously on two separate geographical fronts.

[Steelcan]

Not if Ferelden and Dalish armies are attacking nearly simultaneously on two separate geographical fronts.

it would still be considered a one front war because the lands are to the east of Orlais

[Master Warder Z_]

exactly, the Battle of the Ardennes (Battle of the Bulge) wasn't opening new fronts for Germany, it was just pushing back on the Western Front

 

Those bloody Yanks blowing up bridges and stalling the advance ruined a fairly organized and supplied push forward. 

 

Honestly, as far as operations go? It was a marvel how well coordinated and equipped it was, then again you can argue it only met soft resistance initially because of the spectacular failure of the Westwall offensive (Hurtgen is still the largest meat grinder for the American Army in history with 30,000 plus losses in a single battle)

[umadcommander]

the dalish seem more like hit and run fighters really with their emphasis on the bow and elves dont seem like they'd make the best heavy infantry, an open battle against the orlesians seems like it would go badly (and in the past it did), the dalish have more success when combined with other forces like at the battle for denerim as you have dwarves and knights to do the heavy stuff

[Steelcan]

Those bloody Yanks blowing up bridges and stalling the advance ruined a fairly organized and supplied push forward. 

 

Honestly, as far as operations go? It was a marvel how well coordinated and equipped it was, then again you can argue it only met soft resistance initially because of the spectacular failure of the Westwall offensive (Hurtgen is still the largest meat grinder for the American Army in history with 30,000 plus losses in a single battle)

it was a foolish idea to begin with, there was no chance of throwing the Americans and British back by that point

[rolson00]

Do they really need one they have been surpressed for many centuries lost the dales if they got it back what would they do with it just gonna lose it again I may sound cruel but it's the truth city elves and dalish elves don't get along thoughts ?

you dont sound well versed on dragon age age elves, nither have really met so they cant relate in the masked empire briala plans on uniting all elves under one banner because when you look at it th dalish are just as oppressed by humans as city elves in that local lords send there armys to chase them away or they set fire to all the woods and forests to burn them out. some clans care about citys elves and others dont and vice vera for city elves. 

[LobselVith8]

it would still be considered a one front war because the lands are to the east of Orlais

 

The areas I mentioned are to the south and west of Orlais.

[Steelcan]

The areas I mentioned are to the south and west of Orlais.

in which case its an even worse idea, having to haul supplies all the way to oppsite ends of the front wouldn't to well in the long run

[EmperorSahlertz]

But your whole point was that that was how medieval warfare worked. Why would it apply to one and not the other? Both wars were in a fictional medieval setting. Thedas standards haven't changed much between the Glory and Blessed Ages.

No... My point, which I would appreciate if you let ME decide what is, that in the case of medieval warfare total war meant the utter destruction of the people. And the Dales was a case of total war, meaning that the Elves would very likely have been exterminated, or slaughtered to such a low population that continued survival was unlikely. What the Divine did was DEFINITELY a mercy, which meant that Elves, as a race, actually had a chance of survival.

[Daerog]

The elves should side with Gaspard and help Orlais conquer Fereldan, then either be given Fereldan or the Dales to govern as an allied state. They can help the dalish settle out of the way of humans, allow them to prosper and aid the elven state. It won't be another Dales, but I think that would be the best bet to getting a homeland asap.

[LobselVith8]

in which case its an even worse idea, having to haul supplies all the way to oppsite ends of the front wouldn't to well in the long run

 

The elves of the Dales and the Ferelden armies wouldn't necessarily need to send supplies from one to the other, as the two would likely be equipped from their own resources; a runner can just as easily go from one group to the other to provide intel or confirm a victory, similar to how a messenger was sent to gather allies from the clans to contribute to fighting the Fifth Blight.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The areas I mentioned are to the south and west of Orlais.

It would still be a singular front. Orlais would probably withdraw until the frontlines of the Dalish and Ferelden merged, and then Orlais would consilidate and push back out.

[Master Warder Z_]

it was a foolish idea to begin with, there was no chance of throwing the Americans and British back by that point

 

You think so? The Westwall had yet to fail, There were still enough troop and tank reserves to be combat capable for another sixteen months (guesstimate based on the logistical records and total numeric amount of forces) if that advanced hadn't been stalled by the time Winter quarters was called then those Americans would have been celebrating Christmas in Paris rather then Bastogne. Besides, It was a matter of victory, it was a matter of making them bleed enough to go the peace table.

 

And yet think the success of that offensive would have seriously made them consider it.

 

The failure of Normandy would have let the AXIS catch it's breath enough to maybe win, But lets face it, once they got into mainland Europe, the game was up.

[Master Warder Z_]

It would still be a singular front. Orlais would probably withdraw until the frontlines of the Dalish and Ferelden merged, and then Orlais would consilidate and push back out.

 

Or just use sheer tactical superiority of their mounted units and heavy infantry to dominate the battlefield against the Fereldans until their lines broke they retreated, and then they can merely circle the Dalish position and overwhelm them with multipronged attacks, I don't care what the military unit you are fighting against is, attacking from three or four directions tends to stretch most forces to the breaking point.

 

I mean let's face it, Fereldan never really had a impressive army here, and we are comparing it to one of the best armies in the world at the moment.

[LobselVith8]

The elves should side with Gaspard and help Orlais conquer Fereldan, then either be given Fereldan or the Dales to govern as an allied state. They can help the dalish settle out of the way of humans, allow them to prosper and aid the elven state. It won't be another Dales, but I think that would be the best bet to getting a homeland asap.

 

Or the elves may exploit the infighting in the Orlesian Empire and the mass exodus of humans to overthrow the Orlesians from the Dales, and Inquisitor might be able to support this measure. I certainly think it's much more realistic that an elven Inquisitor could be more inclined to help the elves bring about an independent elven homeland than support two Orlesian nobles vying for the throne.

[rolson00]

The elves should side with Gaspard and help Orlais conquer Fereldan, then either be given Fereldan or the Dales to govern as an allied state. They can help the dalish settle out of the way of humans, allow them to prosper and aid the elven state. It won't be another Dales, but I think that would be the best bet to getting a homeland asap.

that wouldnt happen the humans and citys elves would u ite with the dalish living in Fereldan would wage war on Orlias and it wouldnt be about thew elves getting a homeland it would be about two nations at war. 

[Steelcan]

You think so? The Westwall had yet to fail, There were still enough troop and tank reserves to be combat capable for another sixteen months (guesstimate based on the logistical records and total numeric amount of forces) if that advanced hadn't been stalled by the time Winter quarters was called then those Americans would have been celebrating Christmas in Paris rather then Bastogne. Besides, It was a matter of victory, it was a matter of making them bleed enough to go the peace table.

 

And yet think the success of that offensive would have seriously made them consider it.

 

The failure of Normandy would have let the AXIS catch it's breath enough to maybe win, But lets face it, once they got into mainland Europe, the game was up.

it wouldn't matter, unless they planned to drive all the way back to the beaches, America had an unmatched capacity to churn out recruits and tanks and such, combined with uncontested air superiority.  The offensive was only going to last as long as the weather was bad.

 

And the whole time the Soviets are moving towards Berlin,

 

Even with massive casualties on the Allied side there would ahve been no way fro Germany to replace what it lost

[MisterJB]

The Dales was a lot smaller than you'd think.

 

Montsimmard, which was already a human city at the time, is already past Lake Celestine and we know everything past the Frostback mountains is Ferelden.

[Heimdall]

Or just use sheer tactical superiority of their mounted units and heavy infantry to dominate the battlefield against the Fereldans until their lines broke they retreated, and then they can merely circle the Dalish position and overwhelm them with multipronged attacks, I don't care what the military unit you are fighting against is, attacking from three or four directions tends to stretch most forces to the breaking point.

 

I mean let's face it, Fereldan never really had a impressive army here, and we are comparing it to one of the best armies in the world at the moment.

Not to mention the losses in manpower from the Blight they are unlikely to have recovered from.

[MisterJB]

Or the elves may exploit the infighting in the Orlesian Empire and the mass exodus of humans to overthrow the Orlesians from the Dales, and Inquisitor might be able to support this measure. I certainly think it's much more realistic that an elven Inquisitor could be more inclined to help the elves bring about an independent elven homeland than support two Orlesian nobles vying for the throne.

Ok, you want the elves to exploit infighting and mass exodus to create an independent elven kingdom because elven inquisitor and morally repugnant humans.

 

You don't need to repeat that everytime someone makes a different proposition.