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Or the elves may exploit the infighting in the Orlesian Empire and the mass exodus of humans to overthrow the Orlesians from the Dales, and Inquisitor might be able to support this measure. I certainly think it's much more realistic that an elven Inquisitor could be more inclined to help the elves bring about an independent elven homeland than support two Orlesian nobles vying for the throne.
we don't always get a choice of whom our bedfellows are
we don't always get a choice of whom our bedfellows are
I'm thinking the Orlesian civil war may be optional, or that Briala's elven faction could represent an alternative to helping Celene or Gaspard, given how certain areas and conflicts are optional for the player, like dealing with the Red Templars in the Highlands.
Ok, you want the elves to exploit infighting and mass exodus to create an independent elven kingdom because elven inquisitor and morally repugnant humans.
You don't need to repeat that everytime someone makes a different proposition.
A lot of the arguments in this thread are repetitive. Lob's not the only one.
we don't always get a choice of whom our bedfellows are
I wouldn't mind my bedfellow if he was Gaspard 
Dude is Hot...And honorable, And seems like he would make a fine Emperor.
._. Plus before TME it sounds like the guy was one of the best swordsmen in Thedas.
A lot of the arguments in this thread are repetitive. Lob's not the only one.
It's not an argument, it's a wish.
I don't have any problems with it; we should all enjoy the game; but there's no need to repeat it everytime someone makes a different suggestion.
Saying "I don't think elves should trust humans because they have suffered much at their hands" would be an argument.
I wouldn't mind my bedfellow if he was Gaspard
._. Plus before TME it sounds like the guy was one of the best swordsmen in Thedas.
Oh, a cockmanship joke.
It's not an argument, it's a wish.
I don't have any problems with it; we should all enjoy the game; but there's no need to repeat it everytime someone makes a different suggestion.
Saying "I don't think elves should trust humans because they have suffered much at their hands" would be an argument.
He felt the alternative was unrealistic. How is that not an argument?
Maybe the elves could settle in that large pit out the Western Wastelands of Orlais...i forget the name, the abyss or something or another, Darkspawn live down there, but that shouldn't be an issue.
It was where that former gray warden fort that was in Asunder was featured.
Oh, a cockmanship joke.
No, i meant literally the man seemed like he was probably one of the best swordsmen alive, he split a blade down the center from exploiting a single crack that according to TME wasn't even a finger's length across, take that Luke Skywalker, its a lot smaller then a bloody mole rat 
Then again, i suppose its to be expected from the Chevaliers i guess, they seem like the best militant fighting force in Thedas.
It's not an argument, it's a wish.
I don't have any problems with it; we should all enjoy the game; but there's no need to repeat it everytime someone makes a different suggestion.
The suggestion that an elven homeland should be subservient to Orlais or a protectorate of the Orlesian Empire has been made before; it's not new.
Saying "I don't think elves should trust humans because they have suffered much at their hands" would be an argument.
The argument has been made by a plethora of people as to why there should be an elven homeland, and how beneficial it can be for the elves.
yes losing their homeland a third time would be very beneficial
yes losing their homeland a third time would be very beneficial
The Inquisition could shift the balance in favor of Dales (since it seems the Inquisitor will be establishing bases of power throughout Ferelden, Orlais, and the Dales), so a loss of elven independence wouldn't necessarily be the outcome.
yes losing their homeland a third time would be very beneficial
Might make them realize it's useless and just accept being part of a world under humanity?
The Inquisition could shift the balance in favor of Dales (since it seems the Inquisitor will be establishing bases of power throughout Ferelden, Orlais, and the Dales), so a loss of elven independence wouldn't necessarily be the outcome.
when the crisis is over I don't see the Inquisition holding as much political sway, certainly not the manpower to stop all of Orlais
when the crisis is over I don't see the Inquisition holding as much political sway, certainly not the manpower to stop all of Orlais
That depends on the options that the Inquisitor can pursue in dealing with Orlais during the story.
That depends on the options that the Inquisitor can pursue in dealing with Orlais during the story.
somehow I doubt "crush Orlesian ambitions for expansion" will be an option
yes losing their homeland a third time would be very beneficial
If they are all dead they can't feel bad anymore.
Or just use sheer tactical superiority of their mounted units and heavy infantry to dominate the battlefield against the Fereldans until their lines broke they retreated, and then they can merely circle the Dalish position and overwhelm them with multipronged attacks, I don't care what the military unit you are fighting against is, attacking from three or four directions tends to stretch most forces to the breaking point.
I mean let's face it, Fereldan never really had a impressive army here, and we are comparing it to one of the best armies in the world at the moment.
That too, but I was just figuring that with an ongoing Orlesian civil war, they would first have to fall back, while they got their leadership sorted. Once a deal, or even just a ceasefire, was established between the Orlesians, they could kick out the inferior armies of Ferelden and the Elves.
Honestly, why on earth are people even suggesting that Ferelden would have ANY interrest at all in aiding Elves? It would just serve to validate Orlesian conquest of Ferelden even more. So not only would the Elves doom themselves, they would drag Ferelden along with them.
That too, but I was just figuring that with an ongoing Orlesian civil war, they would first have to fall back, while they got their leadership sorted. Once a deal, or even just a ceasefire, was established between the Orlesians, they could kick out the inferior armies of Ferelden and the Elves.
Honestly, why on earth are people even suggesting that Ferelden would have ANY interrest at all in aiding Elves? It would just serve to validate Orlesian conquest of Ferelden even more. So not only would the Elves doom themselves, they would drag Ferelden along with them.
If orlais went war with ferelden and elves there would be high chance that nevarra would join and honestly i doubt that orlais would take that.
If orlais went war with ferelden and elves there would be high chance that nevarra would join and honestly i doubt that orlais would take that.
Probably not, since Nevarra would then ahve to content with opertunistic Free Marchers, Tevinter, and a now unified Orlais. Nevarra is probably happy just sitting on the western hills, which they won from Orlais.
Probably not, since Nevarra would then ahve to content with opertunistic Free Marchers, Tevinter, and a now unified Orlais. Nevarra is probably happy just sitting on the western hills, which they won from Orlais.
I rather doubt that they wouldn't take opportunity to take down their major enemy and gain territory and we they aren't in good terms with orlais.
Gaspard marries Nevarran noble/princess, makes deal with Briala, stabilizes Orlais after removing Celene, crush Fereldan with elves and a token Nevarran force.
Everyone wins.
I rather doubt that they wouldn't take opportunity to take down their major enemy and gain territory and we they aren't in good terms with orlais.
Nevarra aren't on good terms with anyone.. And Orlais will, after having been attacked by Elves, and apprently Ferelden for whatever reason, have united under the banner of a common goal. Nevarra probably don't wanna risk it. Nor have Orlais and NEvarra fought eachother for almost a century. As a matter of fact, Nevarra has more recently been at war with the Free Marches than Orlais, and they even suffered a humilating defeat at the hands of the Free Marchers.
To me, the entire notion of Nevarra attacking Orlais, has more to do with people jsut disliking Orlais and wanting SOMEONE to attack them, than anything supported by lore, strategy, politics or even common sense.
To me, the entire notion of Nevarra attacking Orlais, has more to do with people jsut disliking Orlais and wanting SOMEONE to attack them, than anything supported by lore, strategy, politics or even common sense.
I don't necessarily dislike Orlais, but after fighting such a long war, I figured that the Orlesians would be somewhat weak, hence an opening for Nevarra to strike if they so desired. But, you also have to take into account the Nevarran ruler issues. So, even if Orlais was wide open, Nevarra might not have its own act together in time to take advantage of it.
Nevarra aren't on good terms with anyone.. And Orlais will, after having been attacked by Elves, and apprently Ferelden for whatever reason, have united under the banner of a common goal. Nevarra probably don't wanna risk it. Nor have Orlais and NEvarra fought eachother for almost a century. As a matter of fact, Nevarra has more recently been at war with the Free Marches than Orlais, and they even suffered a humilating defeat at the hands of the Free Marchers.
To me, the entire notion of Nevarra attacking Orlais, has more to do with people jsut disliking Orlais and wanting SOMEONE to attack them, than anything supported by lore, strategy, politics or even common sense.
We know that orlais wants nevarra and if such scenario was in case that orlais will be in war with ferelden and elves it would be good opportunity in the end they have chance as i said finish their major enemy if they won't do anything they will end with recovered orlais that want their land so pretty much not very good thing for them.So eventually sooner or later they will end in war with orlais now question better to fight them when they are weakened or when orlais is in full-strenght?
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