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[MisterJB]

It is about their homeland we only discuss who will destroy if elves will go in war with orlais trying to get homeland.Pretty much most of this thread was about whether orlais will or not crush elves.

Wait, that's under question?

The Dales was an extablished nation with armies, weapons, border guards mounting too much proud elks. Orlais had been fighting a Blight all over the continent for the past 90 years.

And they still defeated the Dales on their own. The current elves don't stand a chance. It would be a massacre.

[Killdren88]

I really don't understand those who would be against Elves having a home of their own. They would be in a place where they wouldn't bother the rest of Thedas. Why do they need to be among humans ore live out in the fringed of society?

[DEUGH Man]

I'm sure there'd be dolphins they could plot with.

 

Or, mayhaps, they can convince the humans to start a civil war!

 

Then they can strike at the heart!

 

 

I really don't understand those who would be against Elves having a home of their own. They would be in a place where they wouldn't bother the rest of Thedas. Why do they need to be among humans ore live out in the fringed of society?

 

Because the humans run every civilization that is not in a cave!

[LobselVith8]

I really don't understand those who would be against Elves having a home of their own. They would be in a place where they wouldn't bother the rest of Thedas. Why do they need to be among humans ore live out in the fringed of society?

 

The idea of the elves having their own homeland and not living in servitude to humanity doesn't sit well with some people.

[Heimdall]

The idea of the elves having their own homeland and not living in servitude to humanity doesn't sit well with some people.

Oh please... You think that's why people are arguing?

[TheJediSaint]

Oh please... You think that's why people are arguing?

I figure it's mostly to annoy Lobsel and XIl.

[dragonflight288]

Oh please... You think that's why people are arguing?

 

There have been arguments against giving elves ANY land at all unless it includes subservience to Orlais or whatever human land is next to it. Some people making posts have argued tooth and nail against elves being completely independent in their own homeland. 

[TK514]

I'm sure there'd be dolphins they could plot with.

 

Please.  These are elves we're talking about.  They'd ****** off the dolphins and the Kingdom of Dolphintopia would roll them like a tire.  Then they'd end up in living in dolphin mandated 'fisheries' or some such, subservient to their aquatic mammal overlords.

[Daerog]

Well, it would be kinda hypocritical to force humans off their land, and no one seems to like the elves taking over a thaig, so it comes down to making friends.

 

If they want to use force, they'd do better against barbariwn tribes in the Free Marches or around Orlais' borders or the Frostbacks. Pissing off Orlais would just be stupid. I think siding with Gaspard is their best bet, just to start out and stabilize some sort of nation, even if it is a vassal to start with. Later, when Orlais runs into another crisis, they can get more independence/power.

[dragonflight288]

Well, it would be kinda hypocritical to force humans off their land, and no one seems to like the elves taking over a thaig, so it comes down to making friends.

 

If they want to use force, they'd do better against barbariwn tribes in the Free Marches or around Orlais' borders or the Frostbacks. Pissing off Orlais would just be stupid. I think siding with Gaspard is their best bet, just to start out and stabilize some sort of nation, even if it is a vassal to start with. Later, when Orlais runs into another crisis, they can get more independence/power.

 

Unless the breach, the civil war, the mage/templar war AND the elven rebellion weakens Orlais to such an extent that they become mostly inconsequential. Like Western Rome after its fall. 

[Daerog]

Unless the breach, the civil war, the mage/templar war AND the elven rebellion weakens Orlais to such an extent that they become mostly inconsequential. Like Western Rome after its fall. 

 

Well, that would be fortunate for the elves and no one else. A power vacuum just brings war and more problems.

[Zanallen]

If the elves want their own kingdom where they are free of human influence, they should go find somewhere where their are no humans. The Dalish are nomadic, right? They should search out a place where they can start their own village and then build up from there. Then send people to tell the city elves and invite all elven kind to leave with them away from the humans. They should not attack and annex part of another country. All that will do is build up ire among the humans and show that, once again, they can't be trusted not to stab you in the back. If the elves try to revolt and forge their own kingdom in Orlais, the most likely scenario that I see is them getting crushed by a stronger human army out for revenge a few years down the line.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No, i don't but the treaty is implied to state that no Qunari presence in Thedas shall be allowed, Its pretty evident and i care not what either variant of Qunari think of each other, to me they are all the same menace to wiped away for a cleaner world.

It doesn't matter what you consider the Rivaini Qunari to be, it only matters what the people who signed the treaty consider them. And neither side construes a few villages of humans and elves who follow some tenants of the Qun to be a violation of the Llomerryn Accords so it can't be "illegal."

[dragonflight288]

Well, that would be fortunate for the elves and no one else. A power vacuum just brings war and more problems.

 

 

So do giant holes in the sky raining demons on the world, mages and templars fighting over who should be have more power over mages lives, civil wars, and rebellions. 

 

The civil war shows that there already is a power vacuum in Orlais, and thousands are dying because of it, the chantry will have a huge power vacuum since all its leaders will die, the templars and the seekers have a power vacuum since they abandoned the Chantry and Lambert is MIA, and the elves are simply pissed off, especially since so many of them were killed in Halamshiral for no reason other than the Empress trying to silence dissenters and critics. 

 

Not to mention the Nevarran succession crises, an imminent Qunari invasion that has been foreshadowed in two games, and so on. 

 

I must quote Dr. Horrible from his sing-a-long blog. 

 

"The world's a mess, and I've got to rule it."

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

 

The failure of Normandy would have let the AXIS catch it's breath enough to maybe win, But lets face it, once they got into mainland Europe, the game was up.

 

Germany was doomed the moment they decided screwing with Russia was a good idea.

 

The Muricans and the other Western powers didn't really do the majority of the work in the European theater.

[Allan Schumacher]

So I just reached page 12 of this, and I kind of hope that the prevalence of snarky potshots dwindles as I keep reading....

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

So I just reached page 12 of this, and I kind of hope that the prevalence of snarky potshots dwindles as I keep reading....

 

Oh come now Allan you know what the chances of that are.

[rolson00]

why should they except the world under humanity? thery are starved beaten and murdered daily by humuns would you except that as you fate? Its only hopless if you've given up.

[Heimdall]

There have been arguments against giving elves ANY land at all unless it includes subservience to Orlais or whatever human land is next to it. Some people making posts have argued tooth and nail against elves being completely independent in their own homeland.

And its one thing to do that and another to say its because they want the elves to be subservient. Personally I just object to Lobsel's overly rosy view of the Dalish.

[MissMagi]

Well, that would be fortunate for the elves and no one else. A power vacuum just brings war and more problems.

If there is already a power vacuum, why not take advantage of it if it can do some good for an oppressed people?

[TK514]

So I just reached page 12 of this, and I kind of hope that the prevalence of snarky potshots dwindles as I keep reading....

You're in for a long slog, then.

On the plus side, you missed out on the poster who got the thread shut down and renovated. So there's that.

[Gervaise]

If, for the sake of argument, the elves were to rise up and attempt to reclaim the Dales, I have a horrible feeling that the people who would principally suffer by it would not be the nobles who have been oppressing the elves for the last 900 years but the poor blighters we met in Masked Empire.   These human villagers weren't even aware there was a civil war going on until people rode in and started demanding things from them.     Then after they had taken what they wanted and rode off, Celene's supporters rode in a slaughtered them for helping the enemy, Gaspard.   As the person telling this to Celene said, they didn't even know who Gaspard was.

 

Now if the elves were willing to play nice and agree not to harm people like these peasants, who have no particular loyalty to any human lord and would just like to be left alone, then they would likely get my support.     If not, and offering them the opportunity of a homeland meant displacing or killing these people, then I wouldn't be so keen.   Now some Dalish might be willing to co-exist but others would not.    

 

I just can't get out of my mind the fact that when they fled over the Frostbacks to escape capture at the end of the War of the Dales, they massacred the first human barbarians they encountered because "humans can't be trusted".    This story was recounted by the clan that gave us the Warden.   Those barbarians had done them no harm and had actually probably been among those who had resisted Orlesian expansion in that direction.   So if they had given them the chance, they could have been potential allies but instead they just slaughtered them.    It seems to me that the elves will be no different to the humans in how they treat those weaker than themselves.    I am actually very pro-elf but not at the expense of ordinary human commoners, probably because I come from peasant stock myself.

[Shadow Fox]

I figure it's mostly to annoy Lobsel and XIl.

And here I bring a friendly reminder: the BSN now has an ignore function.

[Saints]

How would the cult of Andrastre be treated in the Elven land? Any place that does not have the Maker as a their God would be considered blasphemous towards the majority of the countries. Another Exalted March will be called and the Elves will be destroyed... for the third time. The elves have no ace in the hole to use if ever attacked.

[MisterJB]

So I just reached page 12 of this, and I kind of hope that the prevalence of snarky potshots dwindles as I keep reading....

Oh boy...