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[Xilizhra]

If, for the sake of argument, the elves were to rise up and attempt to reclaim the Dales, I have a horrible feeling that the people who would principally suffer by it would not be the nobles who have been oppressing the elves for the last 900 years but the poor blighters we met in Masked Empire.   These human villagers weren't even aware there was a civil war going on until people rode in and started demanding things from them.     Then after they had taken what they wanted and rode off, Celene's supporters rode in a slaughtered them for helping the enemy, Gaspard.   As the person telling this to Celene said, they didn't even know who Gaspard was.

 

Now if the elves were willing to play nice and agree not to harm people like these peasants, who have no particular loyalty to any human lord and would just like to be left alone, then they would likely get my support.     If not, and offering them the opportunity of a homeland meant displacing or killing these people, then I wouldn't be so keen.   Now some Dalish might be willing to co-exist but others would not.    

 

I just can't get out of my mind the fact that when they fled over the Frostbacks to escape capture at the end of the War of the Dales, they massacred the first human barbarians they encountered because "humans can't be trusted".    This story was recounted by the clan that gave us the Warden.   Those barbarians had done them no harm and had actually probably been among those who had resisted Orlesian expansion in that direction.   So if they had given them the chance, they could have been potential allies but instead they just slaughtered them.    It seems to me that the elves will be no different to the humans in how they treat those weaker than themselves.    I am actually very pro-elf but not at the expense of ordinary human commoners, probably because I come from peasant stock myself.

I think the Clayne had garnered a reputation for being vicious and untrustworthy.

[Shadow Fox]

So I just reached page 12 of this, and I kind of hope that the prevalence of snarky potshots dwindles as I keep reading....

Umm about that...

[LobselVith8]

How would the cult of Andrastre be treated in the Elven land? Any place that does not have the Maker as a their God would be considered blasphemous towards the majority of the countries. Another Exalted March will be called and the Elves will be destroyed... for the third time. The elves have no ace in the hole to use if ever attacked.

 

With the loss of both the Chantry's militant arm and their Circles of Magi, and the Inquisition potentially serving as an ally to an autonomous elven nation (along with the acquisition of either the Seekers and templars or the mages into the organization) I think it would be a radically different scenario this time around, especially if you have a figure like the Inquisitor (who seems to be viewed with religious significance by some) supporting elven self-governance.

[MisterJB]

If there is already a power vacuum, why not take advantage of it if it can do some good for an oppressed people?

"Good" is a subjective term. To do some good for some, you have to do bad to others.

Some people want to give the elves the Dales. This, in theory, it's good. Elves suffer much in human cities.

But it can lead to much "bad". First, there are many humans in the Dales, some are civillians living there, others are soldiers fighting in the civil war. All of them would have to be forcibly ejected regardless of their moral character, which is bad.

Then, it remains to be seen if the elves could mantain a state. We could be looking at cultural conflict between the Dalish and the City Elves, each with different notions of which direction the state should go. In fact, it could get even worse than that, there could be conflict between elves from different nations. I doubt Orlesian and Ferelden elves have any love lost for each other.

And what about conquest? The Dales would be the weakest nation in Thedas and the Chantry would accuse it of being composed of heretics who slaugthered and ejected the faithful. We could be looking at Exalted Marches or simple conquest. An attempt to do good could lead to much bad.

 

And that is assuming they suceed. The elves in Halamshiral rebelled but little good that did them when the Orlesian army arrived and burned the section of the city the rebel occupied in a couple of hours. If the elves try to do this and fail, their condition will just worse.

 

Hence why so many are hesitant.

Also, it's fun to kick the elves. They're just pitiful enough but not too much that we feel sorry for them

[Shadow Fox]

Riiiight because our own history and prior events in DA give that such rosy prospects.

Personally I give it a century tops before the Elves there started killing each other over philological differences.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hence why so many are hesitant.

Also, it's fun to kick the elves. They're just pitiful enough but not too much that we feel sorry for them

 

Truer words have rarely been spoken!

[MisterJB]

Plus, it even feels good to save them every now and again because they're all like:

"Please help us, o great and awesome one. We elves can't do anything on our own."

 

And you're all like:

"Fear not, defenseless elves. I, the mighty, handsome, intelligent, virile human hero will save you."

[TheKomandorShepard]

Plus, it even feels good to save them every now and again because they're all like:

"Please help us, o great and awesome one. We elves can't do anything on our own."

 

And you're all like:

"Fear not, defenseless elves. I, the mighty, handsome, intelligent, virile human hero will save you."

Rly becuase for me it was like "dirty shem we don't need your help you insult us !"

At least that was in da 2 .

[Xilizhra]

Plus, it even feels good to save them every now and again because they're all like:

"Please help us, o great and awesome one. We elves can't do anything on our own."

 

And you're all like:

"Fear not, defenseless elves. I, the mighty, handsome, intelligent, virile human hero will save you."

Well, good on you for reveling in the tropes of IRL racism so gleefully; it makes certain things rather easier.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Plus, it even feels good to save them every now and again because they're all like:

"Please help us, o great and awesome one. We elves can't do anything on our own."

 

And you're all like:

"Fear not, defenseless elves. I, the mighty, handsome, intelligent, virile human hero will save you."

 

Truly it is a great burden the Human bears!

[TheJediSaint]

Rly becuase for me it was like "dirty shem we don't need your help you insult us !"

At least that was in da 2 .

 

"We don't need your help, except with taking away our blood mage, killing that Varrtehral, and finding some flaming Iron Bark!

[TheKomandorShepard]

"We don't need your help, except with taking away our blood mage, killing that Varrtehral, and finding some flaming Iron Bark!

yep something like that what a bunch of di*** at least clan in first game was grateful for help.

[TheJediSaint]

yep something like that what a bunch of di*** at least clan in first game was grateful for help.

To be fair, Marithari was pretty nice.  It was the rest of her clan that was a bunch of jerks.

[TK514]

Plus, it even feels good to save them every now and again because they're all like:

"Please help us, o great and awesome one. We elves can't do anything on our own."

 

And you're all like:

"Fear not, defenseless elves. I, the mighty, handsome, intelligent, virile human hero will save you."

 

Don't forget the part where they have the human babies with you.

[Xilizhra]

Don't forget the part where they have the human babies with you.

Hardly with Sera. And after three years with no results, Hawke is probably shooting blanks.

[LOLandStuff]

Just becaue you're the leader of the inquisition doesn't mean the rest will follow your every word. If it's composed mostly of humans, why would they agree for an elfcentric inquisitor?

I doubt they'd be ok with the Inquisitor helping some elves, who've already been ungrateful to them in the past.

"Oh, you're giving the Dales back to the elves? I'm totally ok with it. Here, let me retreat back to my hovel and squat in dirt while eating turnips all day."

The Inquisition has bigger concerns than some elves who can't hold a land for more than 5 minutes.

[LobselVith8]

"We don't need your help, except with taking away our blood mage, killing that Varrtehral, and finding some flaming Iron Bark!

 

Technically, Merrill accompanied Hawke to Kirkwall in exchange for Hawke fulfilling his debt to Asha'belannar (in which he needed Merrill's help), the varterral is encountered during vir sulevanan (since a service needed to be performed to acquire the Arulin'Holm), and Hawke is locating iron bark for himself because Solivitus (the mage in the Gallows) requested it.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Don't forget the part where they have the human babies with you.

 

Of course! Just another part of the great burden Humanity bears in the DAverse.

[Xilizhra]

Just becaue you're the leader of the inquisition doesn't mean the rest will follow your every word. If it's composed mostly of humans, why would they agree for an elfcentric inquisitor?

I doubt they'd be ok with the Inquisitor helping some elves, who've already been ungrateful to them in the past.

"Oh, you're giving the Dales back to the elves? I'm totally ok with it. Here, let me retreat back to my hovel and squat in dirt while eating turnips all day."

The Inquisition has bigger concerns than some elves who can't hold a land for more than 5 minutes.

Those elves have the Eluvian network, which could prove a major asset to the Inquisition. Justifying it as necessary to defeat the Breach should be easy.

[LOLandStuff]

Hardly with Sera. And after three years with no results, Hawke is probably shooting blanks.

 

 

People in the past were pretty creative when it came to avoiding making babies. As dumb as Hawke is, he did at least one smart thing and avoided getting Merrill pregnant. She can barely take care of herself, much less of a baby.

[Shadow Fox]

Guys can we go just one page in this topic without throwing feces at each other?

[LobselVith8]

To be fair, Marithari was pretty nice.  It was the rest of her clan that was a bunch of jerks.

 

Considering that outsiders are typically a threat to the Dalish, it shouldn't be a surprise that some of them are wary about a human being in close proximity to them.

[Steelcan]

People in the past were pretty creative when it came to avoiding making babies. As dumb as Hawke is, he did at least one smart thing and avoided getting Merrill pregnant. She can barely take care of herself, much less of a baby.

oh Maker.....

[Xilizhra]

Guys can we go just one page in this topic without throwing feces at each other?

 

 

Also, it's fun to kick the elves. They're just pitiful enough but not too much that we feel sorry for them

 

No.

[MisterJB]