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[Heimdall]

Wynne's spirit will go mental and force her into attacking you if you defile the Urn of Sacred Ashes, and Justice... well, I'm sure you know Justice's issues.

Wynne... What? I've not played that outcome, but I've never heard that the spirit forced her.

[Xilizhra]

Wynne... What? I've not played that outcome, but I've never heard that the spirit forced her.

Well, the odds that she did it of her own free will, being less religious than Leliana (who actually can be talked down, while Wynne can't be), strike me as limited.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Wynne... What? I've not played that outcome, but I've never heard that the spirit forced her.

It doesn't.. It is pretty much Wynne herself, being an Andrastian, being horrified at the atrocity the Warden just commited to her faith. Nothing about the spirit at all.

[Xilizhra]

It doesn't.. It is pretty much Wynne herself, being an Andrastian, being horrified at the atrocity the Warden just commited to her faith. Nothing about the spirit at all.

Wynne admits to Leliana that she's not a very strong Andrastian. If that was all it took, Alistair and Zevran would do the same thing.

[Steelcan]

Wynne's spirit will go mental and force her into attacking you if you defile the Urn of Sacred Ashes, and Justice... well, I'm sure you know Justice's issues.

I can't speak for the urn because I haven't had Wynne in my party when it happens, but it is clearly the spirit in her controlling her movements?  or is Wynne just being overzealous with her self righteousness?  And really either way, if the Warden is committing a crime against the Maker in such a way, the spirit is practically obliged to attack, I'd categorize that as similar to Justice seeking to right wrongs, it is not an evil intent, he just has to fight those whoa re in the way.  So no not dangerous to a normal person unlike demons

[LobselVith8]

She wasn't so culture shocked when she first talked to him.

 

You mean that there wasn't a language barrier? Most people are familiar with the common tongue, as it's a language that the dwarves created centuries ago to help trade with the rest of Thedas; the Dalish vernacular mixes the common tongue with elvish. A language barrier isn't necessary for culture shock.

[Shadow Fox]

The circumstances surrounding Valor's eagerness to engage in combat doesn't negate the simple fact that he can prove dangerous to the mage protagonist, while the issue of whether or not the Architect should be trusted doesn't alter the issue that Justice will try to kill the Warden-Commander for pursuing an action that Justice disagrees with. Frankly, this is getting a bit circular at this point, especially in a thread aimed at the prospect of an elven homeland.

Because in those situations it's either the Warden endangering themselves or Justice seeking to stop the Warden from doing something dangerous.

[Xilizhra]

I can't speak for the urn because I haven't had Wynne in my party when it happens, but it is clearly the spirit in her controlling her movements?  or is Wynne just being overzealous with her self righteousness?  And really either way, if the Warden is committing a crime against the Maker in such a way, the spirit is practically obliged to attack, I'd categorize that as similar to Justice seeking to right wrongs, it is not an evil intent, he just has to fight those whoa re in the way.  So no not dangerous to a normal person unlike demons

How can one commit a crime against an entity that doesn't exist? It's not as though spirits are privy to the knowledge of the Maker.

 

 

Because in those situations it's either the Warden endangering themselves or Justice seeking to stop the Warden from doing something dangerous.

"Don't do this dangerous thing! I'll kill you to stop it!"

[Dabrikishaw]

The circumstances surrounding Valor's eagerness to engage in combat doesn't negate the simple fact that he can prove dangerous to the mage protagonist, while the issue of whether or not the Architect should be trusted doesn't alter the issue that Justice will try to kill the Warden-Commander for pursuing an action that Justice disagrees with. Frankly, this is getting a bit circular at this point, especially in a thread aimed at the prospect of an elven homeland.

To be honest, all spirits being dangerous isn't the same thing as all spirits being malicious or evil. 

[MissMagi]

Um... shall we get back on the original topic? Of the elves and their potential homeland, I mean. 

[Steelcan]

How can one commit a crime against an entity that doesn't exist? It's not as though spirits are privy to the knowledge of the Maker.

Which leads me to believe that Wynne is acting of her own free will

 

also I was using "crime against the Maker" as akin to a crime against nature

[Dabrikishaw]

There are people who think Wynne's spirit made her attack the Warden who defiles the ashes? 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

There are people who think Wynne's spirit made her attack the Warden who defiles the ashes? 

 

Pretty much just Xil actually.

[Shadow Fox]

Um... shall we get back on the original topic? Of the elves and their potential homeland, I mean. 

Why so people can start throwing feces at each other again?

 

Atleast this time we're actually debating our opinions.

[Steelcan]

There are people who think Wynne's spirit made her attack the Warden who defiles the ashes? 

ah there we go

 

headcanon is not evidence

[LobselVith8]

To be honest, all spirits being dangerous isn't the same thing as all spirits being malicious or evil. 

 

I don't think it's an issue of good or evil, as much as it's a matter of spirits simply being wholly different from mortals. Merrill doesn't think you can apply the notion of 'good' to a spirit because they're all dangerous, and Justice demonstrates that even a spirit with noble intentions can prove to be dangerous. Merrill also says that all spirits differ, in the same way that humans can differ culturally from one another (which is how she's able to identify the nature of the Profane Abomination and Torpor).

[Heimdall]

Wynne admits to Leliana that she's not a very strong Andrastian. If that was all it took, Alistair and Zevran would do the same thing.

No, but she is strongly principled and certain of her own values and beliefs.  She's certainly one for moral outrage.

[Xilizhra]

No, but she is strongly principled and certain of her own values and beliefs.  She's certainly one for moral outrage.

Sure, but she's too calm to kill over it.

[MissMagi]

Atleast this time we're actually debating our opinions.

I didn't realize that this wasn't the case before? I would certainly be willing to.

 

 

No, but she is strongly principled and certain of her own values and beliefs.  She's certainly one for moral outrage.

But we never met her before she was possessed by  Faith. It could very well be the spirit that strengthened her convictions. 

[Hellion Rex]

There are people who think Wynne's spirit made her attack the Warden who defiles the ashes? 

I tend to think it'd be a mix of Wynne's beliefs as a good person as well as outrage by Faith.

[LobselVith8]

Um... shall we get back on the original topic? Of the elves and their potential homeland, I mean. 

 

I think that would be for the best, as we've gone off the rails quite enough. It's still a narrative avenue I'd like to support with my elven Inquisitor, no matter what trials and tribulations might ensue as a result. I'm thinking about establishing a firm base of operations in Ferelden, first and foremost, and securing the mages as an ally (in order to nullify the threat posed by the templars to the Dalish, as opposed to an ideological common interest); I think military support and capable mages may be of use in the Dales. Do you have anything you'd like to contribute to the prospect of an elven homeland?

[Heimdall]

I didn't realize that this wasn't the case before? I would certainly be willing to.

 

 

But we never met her before she was possessed by  Faith. It could very well be the spirit that strengthened her convictions. 

Maybe, but that spirit had watched over Wynne since she was an apprentice, I tend to believe that the strength of her convictions was likely what attracted it in the first place.

[Steelcan]

I think that would be for the best, as we've gone off the rails quite enough. It's still a narrative avenue I'd like to support with my elven Inquisitor, no matter what trials and tribulations might ensue as a result. I'm thinking about establishing a firm base of operations in Ferelden, first and foremost, and securing the mages as an ally (in order to nullify the threat posed by the templars to the Dalish, as opposed to an ideological common interest); I think military support and capable mages may be of use in the Dales. Do you have anything you'd like to contribute to the prospect of an elven homeland?

The mages likely won't want to antagonize the Chantry after the war is over, working with heathens is not likely to help them out in the long run

[Heimdall]

Sure, but she's too calm to kill over it.

Depends on the outrage, destroying a sacred relic that could potentially save many lives to appease a Dragon Cult is definitely something she wouldn't let stand.