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[Xilizhra]

The **** do Orlesian soldiers care about Eluvians when their Inquisitor orders them to attack their brothers and sisters!?

They care about the world. I don't need soldiers who don't know their priorities and whom they serve.

 

Keep in mind, I don't think that it'll be necessary to cast down both Celene and Gaspard to gain the Eluvians. Some sort of elf alliance will be enough. But if I have the chance to acquire a transportation device that can help me deal with this issue with precision and a minimum of mass casualties from my own side, instead of just scooping up more soldiers to throw at the demons, and that requires me to fight off both Celene and Gaspard, I'll do that. And if these soldiers want to play Inquisitor, let them make their case or shut up.

[LobselVith8]

And I doubt we will get the option to do that.  They ahd their chance witht he dalish boon but decided "nah"

 

To be fair, the same happened with the Magi Boon, but the Circles all separated from the Chantry and the templars, and the opportunity to help the mages who are fighting for their independence is available in Inquisition. You never know if the same opportunity could be possible with the elves.

[EmperorSahlertz]

They care about the world. I don't need soldiers who don't know their priorities and whom they serve.

 

Keep in mind, I don't think that it'll be necessary to cast down both Celene and Gaspard to gain the Eluvians. Some sort of elf alliance will be enough. But if I have the chance to acquire a transportation device that can help me deal with this issue with precision and a minimum of mass casualties from my own side, instead of just scooping up more soldiers to throw at the demons, and that requires me to fight off both Celene and Gaspard, I'll do that. And if these soldiers want to play Inquisitor, let them make their case or shut up.

Evidently your Inquisitor does NOT care about the world, if he wants his soldiers to attack one of the most pwoerful nations in Thedas, destabilizing the entire continent potentially. It actually seems more like you are entirely stuck up on the Elves and mages, and don't give a damn about the world. So don't try and wrap it in fancy rethoric and big words.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Which is why I think it's important for my character to have a strong military and the assistance of the mages; I'm preparing for a possible conflict with Orlais in order to secure an elven homeland. No purges of elven populations, no persecution of the elven faith, an opportunity for the lives to build a real future for themselves - I think it's reason enough for my Dalish protagonist to make the attempt, if it's available in Inquisition.

But your military will be consisting of ORLESIAN soldiers. You will attempt to order ORLESIAN soldiers to attack ORLAIS. Do you not see the issues (I havn't capped the keywords for reading ease)?

[MissMagi]

Okay, I'm going to try this again!

 

I think that would be for the best, as we've gone off the rails quite enough. It's still a narrative avenue I'd like to support with my elven Inquisitor, no matter what trials and tribulations might ensue as a result. I'm thinking about establishing a firm base of operations in Ferelden, first and foremost, and securing the mages as an ally (in order to nullify the threat posed by the templars to the Dalish, as opposed to an ideological common interest); I think military support and capable mages may be of use in the Dales. Do you have anything you'd like to contribute to the prospect of an elven homeland?

I agree with your plan. I would also establish an alliance with the dwarves as soon as I could. The mages will need a reliable source of lyrium, and it would prevent the templars from getting that advantage. 

 

Which Fereldan ruler do you think would better serve our purpose- Alistair, Anora or both? 

 

I had more but I forgot...

[Steelcan]

Okay, I'm going to try this again!

 

I agree  with your plan . I would also establish an alliance with the dwarves as soon as I could. The mages will need a reliable source of lyrium, and it would prevent the templars from getting that advantage. 

 

Which Fereldan ruler do you think would better serve our purpose, Alistair, Anora or both? 

 

I had more but I forgot...

Neither probably, antagonizing Orlais, the Chantry, on top of Anora's indifference to other people's problems.  The elves would have to give a lot and offer a lot to Ferelden for them to risk it

[Xilizhra]

Evidently your Inquisitor does NOT care about the world, if he wants his soldiers to attack one of the most pwoerful nations in Thedas, destabilizing the entire continent potentially. It actually seems more like you are entirely stuck up on the Elves and mages, and don't give a damn about the world. So don't try and wrap it in fancy rethoric and big words.

I believe the Eluvians are more valuable than more meat to throw at the demons. And if I can destabilize a tremendous threat to those parts of Thedas that don't want to follow its lead, that's simply a bonus.

[LobselVith8]

Okay, I'm going to try this again!

 

Don't worry, I've run into problems, too, when I've made posts. My sleep deprivation even had me mistype information a little earlier.

 

I agree  with your plan . I would also establish an alliance with the dwarves as soon as I could. The mages will need a reliable source of lyrium, and it would prevent the templars from getting that advantage. 

 

That would be a good idea, as the Chantry may have lost control of the lyrium trade on the surface, and the mages would require lyrium for their magical feats. The land of the Dales actually borders the Frostback Mountains where the entrance to Orzammar is.

 

Which Fereldan ruler do you think would better serve our purpose- Alistair, Anora or both? 

 

My canon Surana Warden convinced Queen Anora and a personality hardened King Alistair to marry. Given the crisis with the Breach, I think they could both be convinced to throw their support for the Inquisition, as well as a possible treaty with the Dales (perhaps through Josephine). When it comes to the mages, both rulers will want to respect the ultimate sacrifice of the Hero of Ferelden by giving the Circle it's autonomy, while both will publicly proclaim that the mages have earned the right to govern themselves if the Hero of Ferelden asks for his people to be free. King Alistair is still arguing about mage autonomy several years later when the Champion of Kirkwall encounters him with Meredith.

 

As for the elves, both rulers also show an interest in helping the elves, although Anora's attempt fails (which leads to a crackdown on the elves in the Alienage) while Alistair's move is progressive enough to prevent an elven rebellion (because he places an elf at the royal council to give them a voice, in spite of all the controversy it causes among the humans). I also think both would have valid concerns about Orlais, and could see the potential use in having an ally who has a mutual concern about the imperialistic tendencies of the Orlesian Empire.

 

Perhaps the Inquisitor may be able to take further steps in making certain that Orlais doesn't pose a threat to either Ferelden or an independent elven kingdom of the Dales.

[Dabrikishaw]

I believe the Eluvians are more valuable than more meat to throw at the demons. And if I can destabilize a tremendous threat to those parts of Thedas that don't want to follow its lead, that's simply a bonus.

But why leave the rest of the world in the dust? Can't use of the Eluvians be coordinated with human aid in some way?

[Xilizhra]

But why leave the rest of the world in the dust? Can't use of the Eluvians be coordinated with human aid in some way?

Actually, my preference would be to reunite Briala and Celene. My "Briala-only" choice would only come if that was impossible.

[LOLandStuff]

The Eluvians who also carry the taint? Who knows what they're actually for other than teleportation or communication. It'll be funny if it's actually a gateway for demons or worse and if it tears the fade beyond repair that not even the Inquisitor's fancy glowing hand can't fix. I'll lol. Or maybe a meat grinder, and perhaps lyrium is made of elves.

[jtav]

The most important thing is to stop the Breach, but all my Inquisitors have some passion beyond that. None of them are going to turn away help from Orlais or elsewhere, but several are going to do what the can for elves/mages/etc. I'm conservative in temperament, so that's more likely to be in the form of seeking to reform social structures and using my position to help elves than seeking revolution.

[Hellion Rex]

The Eluvians who also carry the taint? Who knows what they're actually for other than teleportation or communication. It'll be funny if it's actually a gateway for demons or worse and if it tears the fade beyond repair that not even the Inquisitor's fancy glowing hand can't fix. I'll lol. Or maybe a meat grinder, and perhaps lyrium is made of elves.

Only Merrill's mirror carried the Taint. Others so far have not shown any such deficiencies.

[LobselVith8]

Only Merrill's mirror carried the Taint. Others so far have not shown any such deficiencies.

 

Technically, the Eluvian in the Elven Ruins carried the taint; Merrill's Eluvian was constructed through her own research after she cleansed the shard she took from Ferelden.

[Dean_the_Young]

Hardly with Sera. And after three years with no results, Hawke is probably shooting blanks.

Don't you mean Hawke is barren?

 

You usually refer to Hawke as female.

[Shadow Fox]

Don't you mean Hawke is barren?

 

You usually refer to Hawke as female.

a woman can't get another one pregnant?*shrugs*

[TheJediSaint]

And here I thought the lack of pregnancies was because the Devs really, really, really don't want to open that can of worms.

[Hellion Rex]

Technically, the Eluvian in the Elven Ruins carried the taint; Merrill's Eluvian was constructed through her own research after she cleansed the shard she took from Ferelden.

*sigh* Lob, you know what I mean.

[Heimdall]

Only Merrill's mirror carried the Taint. Others so far have not shown any such deficiencies.

Well, we haven't encountered any other broken ones yet.

 

According to Duncan (Admittedly someone who thought they were Tevinter in origin) there have been other such mirrors uncovered and the broken ones filled with the taint.  Which actually plays into my theory that the Golden City was actually where elves in Uthenera went and its blackening (And the taint) is actually an ancient elven curse.

[Hellion Rex]

Well, we haven't encountered any other broken ones yet.

 

According to Duncan (Admittedly someone who thought they were Tevinter in origin) there have been other such mirrors uncovered and, when broken, they filled with the taint.  Which actually plays into my theory that the Golden City was actually where elves in Uthenera went and its blackening (And the taint) is actually an ancient elven curse.

Except, the one that was tainted in ruins wasn't broken initially was it? And it was transmitting the Taint before it was shattered.

 

And I think the Golden City is a completely different thing anyway. I think Uthenera elves simply walked the Fade and were not within the City.

[Samahl]

a woman can't get another one pregnant?*shrugs*

 

She can if she has a penis.

[LobselVith8]

Except, the one that was tainted in ruins wasn't broken initially was it? And it was transmitting the Taint before it was shattered.

 

And I think the Golden City is a completely different thing anyway. I think Uthenera elves simply walked the Fade and were not within the City.

 

No, the Eluvian was intact, and Tamlen mentioned seeing an underground city, which may imply it was Arlathan (which was sunk underground, perhaps within range of the Deep Roads where the darkspawn dwell).

[LOLandStuff]

*sigh* Lob, you know what I mean.

 

Let him remind us how awesome and speshul Merrill is.

[Heimdall]

Except, the one that was tainted in ruins wasn't broken initially was it? And it was transmitting the Taint before it was shattered.

 

And I think the Golden City is a completely different thing anyway. I think Uthenera elves simply walked the Fade and were not within the City.

Well I guess I need to make distinction here between 'broken', as in its magic wasn't working properly, and 'broken' as in actually destroying it.  Duncan claimed that the mirror was 'broken' in the first sense and then made it 'broken' in the second sense. 

[Dean_the_Young]

You don't know what I am in real life, or others, who may come from a background with a great many parallels to the elves.

 

You're a lesbian who grew up in a 21st century liberalism culture, rich enough to endulge a non-trivial amount of both time and money on a luxury good marketed towards a niche liberal first-worlderer market. Comparing yourself to a brutally oppressed racial underclass that can be massacred without causing national or international controversy is more than a slight stretch, and unless you're a homosexual in Uganda today the attempted equivalence would be outright insulting to the truly oppressed elves, were there any actual elves around to be insulted.

 

You would be far closer to these elves than anything in the Dragon Age setting. You have about as great many parallels to the elves of the Dragon Age setting as MisterJB.