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[Heimdall]

So many conversation threads I don't know where to start...

 

Not taking the risk is also a risk. Orlais is an expansionist kingdom who has a history of taking advantage of smaller nations when they are at their weakest. They occupied the Anderfels and most of the Free Marches during the second Blight, Nevarra City during the third, and  Kirkwall when they were weak from the Qunari attacks. We also know that many Orlesian nobles have expressed the desire to invade Fereldan once again. But Orlais is in the middle of a civil war, and not at their strongest. Dealing a blow to Orlais means more security not just for Fereldan and the elves, but for just about every other nation in Thedas as well.

Depends on how you look at it.  You could also see a weakened Orlais as a blow against Thedas' security overall against any future invasion by the Qunari.  Not to mention that I'm not sure Ferelden, still recovering from the Blight as it is, has any desire to pick a fight with even a weakened Orlais.

[Samahl]

No one alive knows much about those mirrors, their initial creation, their purpose, where those mirrors travel in between, nothing at all. Furthermore no one knows the exact price of using such an artifact, they were buried and forgotten for a reason.

 

Unsurprisingly enough, every scrap of lore that has come out on those mirrors has its source in common, it has all come from demons. It's not any coincidence.

 

Portal to Hell is apt for me because it seems to be exactly that.

 

You would think that people would have the foresight to explain exactly why eluvians are so bad so that future generations know what they're getting into with them.

[TheJediSaint]

It almost seems like an Elven Homeland would be more trouble than it's worth.

[Hellion Rex]

You would think that people would have the foresight to explain exactly why eluvians are so bad so that future generations know what they're getting into with them.

Well, based on how sudden the sinking Arlathan was, perhaps they didn't even necessarily think about the need to pass down that knowledge. They probably assumed that their civilization would always exist, and so didn't worry about leaving behind knowledge in case of an emergency. And even if they did leave behind warnings, all of their cities were then lost or destroyed, and the knowledge just disappeared.

[LobselVith8]

Very good point. Certainly not a coincidence that only upper level demons have been able to dish out any concrete info on these mirrors.

 

The only spirit who provided any concrete information about the Eluvians was Imshael.

[Hellion Rex]

The only spirit who provided any concrete information about the Eluvians was Imshael.

But Audacity certainly helped a bit. And it's interesting that Imshael could manage to create out of thin air a RED GEM (red lyrium, maybe?) that could reawaken every mirror within Thedas itself.

[Samahl]

And even if they did leave behind warnings, all of their cities were then lost or destroyed, and the knowledge just disappeared.

 

Then why are we assuming that eluvians are bad when this explanation is just as plausible?

[Master Warder Z_]

It almost seems like an Elven Homeland would be more trouble than it's worth.

 

Amazing isn't it?

 

 

You would think that people would have the foresight to explain exactly why eluvians are so bad so that future generations know what they're getting into with them.

 

Well think about it? We are talking about thousands of years before the start of the Dragon Age, how were the elves to know those mirrors would still be standing little lone be workable?

 

 

Depends on how you look at it.  You could also see a weakened Orlais as a blow against Thedas' security overall against any future invasion by the Qunari.  Not to mention that I'm not sure Ferelden, still recovering from the Blight as it is, has any desire to pick a fight with even a weakened Orlais.

 

Orlais was been involved pretty heavily with the initial defeat of the Qunari, Without them and their armies...i fear for Thedas meeting the numeric advantage needed to emerge victorious, I mean think about it. The Qunari only withdrew because their entire invasion across Thedas had been slowed and then turned back, Combine that with the massive Imperium Slave Revolts and counterattacks and it took Thedas pushing back and the Imperium attacking them from behind for those heathen oxmen to sue for peace.

 

Thedas will need all of its strength to obtain victory over the Qunari.

[Hellion Rex]

Then why are we assuming that eluvians are bad when this explanation is just as plausible?

Because, speculation aside, the only concrete information we have ever gotten about these mirrors has come from Upper level demons.

[Steelcan]

The only spirit who provided any concrete information about the Eluvians was Imshael.

One of the gorram forbidden ones, that improves it so much more

[Master Warder Z_]

One of the gorram forbidden ones, that improves it so much more

 

Yeah, I mean it came from Dragon Age Lucifer ._.

[Samahl]

Because, speculation aside, the only concrete information we have ever gotten about these mirrors has come from Upper level demons.

 

Specifically, very old demons. The kind of demons who would've been around long enough to see what eluvians could do firsthand.

[Steelcan]

Specifically, very old demons. The kind of demons who would've been around long enough to see what eluvians could do firsthand.

very demony demons

[LobselVith8]

But Audacity certainly helped a bit. And it's interesting that Imshael could manage to create out of thin air a RED GEM (red lyrium, maybe?) that could reawaken every mirror within Thedas itself.

 

Audacity taught Merrill blood magic; the developers have said Merrill's construction of her mirror involved lore she gathered and information she extrapolated from the shard. It's unknown whether or not Audacity actually knew anything concrete, or whether it simply claimed to know about the construction of the Eluvians.

 

Red lyrium seems to be sentient, so I'm not so sure it's tied to the red gem; I think red lyrium might be tied to the Nexus Golem's claim: "The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast."

[Master Warder Z_]

very demony demons

 

Demony Demons indeed.

[Hellion Rex]

Red lyrium seems to be sentient, so I'm not so sure it's tied to the red gem; I think red lyrium might be tied to the Nexus Golem's claim: "The Stone lives beneath Orlais. Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast."

I'm just trying to see how it all connects together, cause I think Imshael is the one who showed the red lyrium to the Templars

[MissMagi]

"And then, when the Inquisition had stupidly weakened Orlais and thrown the balance of power across Thedas into disarray, the Qunari came.   And that's why all the Mages are now Sarebaas.  The End."

I thought you would say that. Tevinter alone is enough to fight the Qunari to a stalemate, and the Qunari are likely dealing with the Breach themselves, and in no position to conquer anyone.

 

In addition, the intention is to forge alliances and form a united front (that includes Circle mages, who have always been "essential" in the Qunari Wars). The Orlesian Civil War will still be ended, just in such a way that is advantageous to the elvhen people.

 

The people of Kirkwall if i recall, actually didn't overly mind their Orelsian lords on principle i don't think, It was probably just the other Marcher cities making fun of them that made them rebel.

I don't remember seeing this anywhere? At any rate, it illustrates Orlais' propensity for take advantage of other nations when they are most vulnerable.

[Steelcan]

I thought you would say that. Tevinter alone is enough to fight the Qunari to a stalemate, and the Qunari are likely dealing with the Breach themselves, and in position to conquer anyone.

 

In addition, the intention is to forge alliances and form a united front (that includes Circle mages, who have always been "essential" in the Qunari Wars). The Orlesian Civil War will still be ended, just in such a way that is advantageous to the elvhen people.

lolno, Fenris is pretty clear that Tevinter is basically throwing men at the Qunari who just shrug it off, he goes so far as to say that if the Qunari wanted to take Tevinter they could

[LobselVith8]

lolno, Fenris is pretty clear that Tevinter is basically throwing men at the Qunari who just shrug it off, he goes so far as to say that if the Qunari wanted to take Tevinter they could

 

That is Fenris' opinion, but we don't know that for a fact.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't remember seeing this anywhere? At any rate, it illustrates Orlais' propensity for take advantage of other nations when they are most vulnerable.

 

Oh, It was a joke mostly but they did respect their Orelsian official so much they kept the title "Viscount"  when they kicked Orlais out. That did come from a codex.

 

Besides, After the Qunari, you would figure Orlais would have been a blessing.

[Hellion Rex]

lolno, Fenris is pretty clear that Tevinter is basically throwing men at the Qunari who just shrug it off, he goes so far as to say that if the Qunari wanted to take Tevinter they could

Perhaps. But Fenris isn't exactly a military strategist either.
I think it's while Tevinter is barely holding the line, the Qunari are trying to work out how to get around Orlais and Nevarra who will undoubtedly retaliate if the Qunari invade.

[TheJediSaint]

Perhaps. But Fenris isn't exactly a military strategist either.
I think it's while Tevinter is barely holding the line, the Qunari are trying to work out how to get around Orlais and Nevarra who will undoubtedly retaliate if the Qunari invade.

I suspect the fact the land they're trying to invade tends to suffer periodic Blights also gives them pause.  I mean the whole point of Sten's mission was to learn about the Blights.

[Hellion Rex]

I suspect the fact the land they're trying to invade tends to suffer periodic Blights also gives them pause. I mean the whole point of Sten's mission was to learn about the Blights.

True, and if I have my math right, the 5th Blight is the first blight they ran into since they had begun their assault on Thedas.

[Master Warder Z_]

I suspect the fact the land they're trying to invade tends to suffer periodic Blights also gives them pause.  I mean the whole point of Sten's mission was to learn about the Blights.

 

I think the fact Thedas gave them a bloody nose in the first war gives them more pause then anything else.

 

I mean think about it, Thedas took their best shot and came up standing.

[MissMagi]

lolno, Fenris is pretty clear that Tevinter is basically throwing men at the Qunari who just shrug it off, he goes so far as to say that if the Qunari wanted to take Tevinter they could

Then why haven't they? And Fenris is an unreliable narrator. He has a clear and strong bias against Tevinter,