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Do the elves really need a homeland


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True, and if I have my math right, the 5th Blight is the first blight they ran into since they had begun their assault on Thedas.

 

Yup, The Fourth Blight was almost two centuries before their invasion.


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lolno, Fenris is pretty clear that Tevinter is basically throwing men at the Qunari who just shrug it off, he goes so far as to say that if the Qunari wanted to take Tevinter they could

I do trust Fenris' word on how powerful both the Qunari and Tevinter are.



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Then why haven't they? And Fenris is an unreliable narrator. He has a clear and strong bias against Tevinter,

because they have other plans in motion?  And Fenris was on Seheron, he is probably more aware of the situation than we give him credit for



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I do trust Fenris' word on how powerful both the Qunari and Tevinter are.

But I ask again- if the Qunari could conquer Tevinter at any time, then why haven't they?



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But I ask again- if the Qunari could conquer Tevinter at any time, then why haven't they?

We don't have a reason why, yet. 



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because they have other plans in motion?  And Fenris was on Seheron, he is probably more aware of the situation than we give him credit for

Such as? If they truly have other plans, wouldn't it be better to decimate their constant enemy before  moving on to other things?



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But I ask again- if the Qunari could conquer Tevinter at any time, then why haven't they?

 

Presumably because they aren't interested. I thought all they cared about was Seheron (for the time being).



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Presumably because they aren't interested. I thought all they cared about was Seheron (for the time being).

They may not want to conquer just Tevinter, but Thedas in general.  



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But I ask again- if the Qunari could conquer Tevinter at any time, then why haven't they?

 

Because despite the Imperium being a pale shadow of it's former glory.

 

It's still probably one of the best defended nations in the world, Its capital has weathered the initial Qunari War, it imports Mercenaries by the thousands, Its regular army i'd presume is quite large as well, add in the fact that it likely has a number of capable battle mages, and it becomes clear that pressing the Imperium will only result in what happened in the first war.

 

Them falling back to the capital, and and then staging insurrection behind the Qunari lines, slave revolts, Guerrilla strikes and the while the Qunari are attempting to lay siege to the capital that has never fallen before.



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Such as? If they truly have other plans, wouldn't it be better to decimate their constant enemy before  moving on to other things?

 

There's a general lack of concrete knowledge and a lot of opinions and ideas (that can't be proven one way or another), which makes it difficult to answer that with any degree of certainty.



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^Don't forget the enormous juggernauts as well as the blood mages who are willing to break the rules to defend their city.

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They may not want to conquer just Tevinter, but Thedas in general.  

So it would be better to waste resources perpetuating war against an enemy that they could conquer at any time? Ending it quickly is most cost-effective, and the Qunari are nothing if not that. Not to mention that Minrathous would make an invaluable stronghold.


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Such as? If they truly have other plans, wouldn't it be better to decimate their constant enemy before  moving on to other things?

They are getting involved in the Free Marches, there's the espionage they have going on that we saw with Tallis



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So it would be better to waste resources perpetuating war against an enemy that they could conquer at any time? Ending it quickly is most cost-effective, and the Qunari are nothing if not that. Not to mention that Minrathous would make an invaluable stronghold.

 

Minrathous has never fallen, and i have a feeling...it never will.

 

._. It would just need to be razed from existence, you can't capture something that can withstand the fury of Blights, Qunari, and even Andraste.



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So it would be better to waste resources perpetuating war against an enemy that they could conquer at any time? Ending it quickly is most cost-effective, and the Qunari are nothing if not that. Not to mention that Minrathous would make an invaluable stronghold.

You're assuming Tevinter would be willing to make peace with the Qunari.  A society ruled by mages is going to have real trouble coexisting with one that turns them into attack dogs.



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Because despite the Imperium being a pale shadow of it's former glory.

 

It's still probably one of the best defended nations in the world, Its capital has weathered the initial Qunari War, it imports Mercenaries by the thousands, Its regular army i'd presume is quite large as well, add in the fact that it likely has a number of capable battle mages, and it becomes clear that pressing the Imperium will only result in what happened in the first war.

 

Them falling back to the capital, and and then staging insurrection behind the Qunari lines, slave revolts, Guerrilla strikes and the while the Qunari are attempting to lay siege to the capital that has never fallen before.

Wait... that sounds more like they can't conquer Tevinter at any time. Which is the point I am trying to make.

 

You're assuming Tevinter would be willing to make peace with the Qunari.  A society ruled by mages is going to have real trouble coexisting with one that turns them into attack dogs.

No that is the opposite of what I am saying. I'm saying that the Qunari likely can't conquer Tevinter at any time.



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Ethnic-national self-determination is one of the most noxious and vile ideas in the history of the world, and has been responsible for millions of deaths over the last two centuries.

Given its horrendous track record on Earth, I don't see why Thedas should be visited with it, too.

 

That doesn't really apply when genetic miscegenation literally spells doom for your race. Thedas =/= Earth. 


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That doesn't really apply when genetic miscegenation literally spells doom for your race. Thedas =/= Earth. 

Clearly we should instead go back to the massive empires of the centuries before that, because if there's one thing Rome was good at it was getting along peacefu/- wait what?


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Clearly we should instead go back to the massive empires of the centuries before that, because if there's one thing Rome was good at it was getting along peacefu/- wait what?

 

Elves need a homeland more than anyone else in Thedas. This is fact.

 

Elf + Human = Human

Elf + Dwarf = Dwarf

Elf + Qunari = Qunari

 

Whether they decide to go empire building and expanding or not is on them.


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Clearly we should instead go back to the massive empires of the centuries before that, because if there's one thing Rome was good at it was getting along peacefu/- wait what?

 

Yes! Rome shall lead this ungrateful world to glory whether it likes it or not!


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Elves need a homeland more than anyone else in Thedas. This is fact.

 

Elf + Human = Human

Elf + Dwarf = Dwarf

Elf + Qunari = Qunari

 

Whether they decide to go empire building and expanding or not is on them.

 

Gee looks like crossing ANYTHING with an Elf gives you something other than an elf....

 

Do you hear that? It's the sound of inevitability.


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Elves need a homeland more than anyone else in Thedas. This is fact.

 

Elf + Human = Human

Elf + Dwarf = Dwarf

Elf + Qunari = Qunari

 

Whether they decide to go empire building and expanding or not is on them.

that just proves the elves will be bred out of existence faster

 

that doesn't mean they should get their own homeland. 


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Gee looks like crossing ANYTHING with an Elf gives you something other than an elf....

 

Do you hear that? It's the sound of inevitability.

 

"Hey, let's destroy a culture/sub-species of people, because a portion of the fanbase doesn't like them! It's inevitable!



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I'm with TDKR on this one.



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"Hey, let's destroy a culture/sub-species of people, because a portion of the fanbase doesn't like them! It's inevitable!

their culture isn't related to their genetics, the only thing stopping humans from going out into the woods and living like the dalish is the dalish themselves