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[Dean_the_Young]

Okay... I don't know if

So in other words, "die in their wars, worship their gods, and the humans might grant the elves some measure of respect."  I see.  Well, you certainly seem to be sure of your views, but I sense more than a little idealism and whitewashing at play.  At least Heimdall didn't sound so pretentious when s/he said it.  If it's all the same to you, I'll take my chances on "silly ideas" that are, in actuality, nowhere near as unrealistic as you claim.  Saying "that won't work" and presenting a list of worst possible outcomes isn't proof.

 

Horse, water.

 

Water, horse. Or have you met?

[LobselVith8]

http://www.dragonage...the-hinterlands

 

That's the only thing official we have on the Hinterlands currently.  It's a letter to Arl Teagan that states the Hinterlands belongs to Redcliffe.  It's possible that the Dalish boon survived, but we haven't seen anything to suggest that is the case.

 

I would hope, for the players who chose the Dalish Boon, that it survived and reflects a different Hinterlands than the one the rest of us will encounter. Having it negated to give everyone the same, exact Hinterlands for budgetary reasons would be rather off-putting for some of them (as I'd imagine), and I remember having the same issue with the Magi Boon (despite the different consequences that were supposed to result from it).

[Master Warder Z_]

Really about the only difference i'd expect is the Dalish being slaughtered equally by Mages and Templars as they attempt to kill each other in peace.

[MisterJB]

My friends, it has been a miserable 10 years since the Ferelden Warden killed the Archdemon and Gaspard is already like "I'mma invade Ferelden."

 

It's been 400 years since Garahel did the same.

[Palidane]

I would hope, for the players who chose the Dalish Boon, that it survived and reflects a different Hinterlands than the one the rest of us will encounter. Having it negated to give everyone the same, exact Hinterlands for budgetary reasons would be rather off-putting for some of them (as I'd imagine), and I remember having the same issue with the Magi Boon (despite the different consequences that were supposed to result from it).

Agreed. At least the Mage Boon retcon had some sense behind it. There is no reason why Alistair wouldn't be able to surrender the Hinterlands to the Dalish.

 

I'm starting to get the feeling that Inquisition will be when the cracks start to show in the Save Import system.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Who says that the Dalish boon can't exist while the Hinterlands still belong to Redcliffe? Perhaps the Dalish are allowed by Redcliffe to live in that territory.

[Hellion Rex]

Really about the only difference i'd expect is the Dalish being slaughtered equally by Mages and Templars as they attempt to kill each other in peace.

Indeed. Even if the Dalish were given the land, they'd easily be caught in the crossfire, and neither of the two sides are holding back anymore.

[MisterJB]

Agreed. At least the Mage Boon retcon had some sense behind it. There is no reason why Alistair wouldn't be able to surrender the Hinterlands to the Dalish.

 

I'm starting to get the feeling that Inquisition will be when the cracks start to show in the Save Import system.

Border disputes between humans and elves lead to dead on both sides.

Eventually, the (opportunistic) nobles and the commoners alike started to ask "Are you going to side with your people, o king, or with the heathens?"

 

At least that's how I picture it happening.

[Palidane]

Who says that the Dalish boon can't exist while the Hinterlands still belong to Redcliffe? Perhaps the Dalish are allowed by Redcliffe to live in that territory.

It's more so that the Dalish are relatively badass, and I couldn't see them allowing a bunch of Mages and Templars to overrun their hard-won homeland. I think it's very unlikely the Hinterlands would be a warzone if the Dalish were there to defend it.

[Daerog]

Love some of the sarcasm in this thread, good laughs. Keep up the good work!

[LobselVith8]

Who says that the Dalish boon can't exist while the Hinterlands still belong to Redcliffe? Perhaps the Dalish are allowed by Redcliffe to live in that territory.

 

Because the Hinterlands can't belong to the Dalish and Redcliffe simultaneously; it either has to belong to one or the other.

[Hellion Rex]

It's more so that the Dalish are relatively badass, and I couldn't see them allowing a bunch of Mages and Templars to overrun their hard-won homeland. I think it's very unlikely the Hinterlands would be a warzone if the Dalish were there to defend it.

Hmmm, it'd probably be even more of a warzone cause all three would be involved in the fighting.

[MisterJB]

Because the Hinterlands can't belong to the Dalish and Redcliffe simultaneously; it either has to belong to one or the other.

They could rent it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's more so that the Dalish are relatively badass, and I couldn't see them allowing a bunch of Mages and Templars to overrun their hard-won homeland. I think it's very unlikely the Hinterlands would be a warzone if the Dalish were there to defend it.

Last I checked, aren't all the Dalish clans meeting with each other? Maybe that's why we don't see any in the Hinterlands. 

 

 

Because the Hinterlands can't belong to the Dalish and Redcliffe simultaneously; it either has to belong to one or the other.

Sure they can. It's called sharing. 

[Palidane]

Hmmm, it'd probably be even more of a warzone cause all three would be involved in the fighting.

Four, if you count Arl Teagan's soldiers. And five, if you count the Inquisition.

 

Damn, I can't wait to get there!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Four, if you count Arl Teagan's soldiers. And five, if you count the Inquisition.

 

Damn, I can't wait to get there!

Seems Dragon Age beat The Hobbit in having a "Battle of the Five Armies".

[MisterJB]

Four, if you count Arl Teagan's soldiers. And five, if you count the Inquisition.

 

Damn, I can't wait to get there!

****, it's the Riverlands of Ferelden.

Everytime someone wants to have a war, they do it there.

[Hellion Rex]

Four, if you count Arl Teagan's soldiers. And five, if you count the Inquisition.

 

Damn, I can't wait to get there!

6, including the demons, since we have the Breach forming over Redcliffe Castle.

[Hellion Rex]

7.Venatori.

Well, from the demo, the Venatori and demons were working together in Redcliffe Castle, so I lumped them together.

[Palidane]

I think the Venatori count as the mages, bringing us back down to 6.

[Hellion Rex]

I think the Venatori count as the mages, bringing us back down to 6.

Well, no. The Venatori are a distinct group from the rebel mages, but we keep the number at 6 cause I put the demons and the Venatori together.

[LobselVith8]

Sure they can. It's called sharing. 

 

With all due respect, no, it doesn't. The Hinterlands either belongs to the Dalish, which is specifically what the Hero of Ferelden asks for when she explicitly states she wants the People to have their own land, or it doesn't. What you're suggesting isn't what the Dalish Hero of Ferelden asked for when she said: "I ask that land be granted to the Dalish, your majesty."

 

King Alistair will say, in response, that he will agree to this royal boon, publicly proclaiming: "The Hinterlands to the north of the Korcari Wilds, including Ostagar, are hereby granted to the Dalish elves." Assuming that the ultimate sacrifice was made, King Alistair will say to Keeper Marethari at the funeral: "I agree, and while I know my people cannot truly make up for what we have done to yours, I was hoping to start. I hereby offer your people the Hinterlands north of the Korcari Wilds, including Ostagar, to do with as you will."

 

Keeper Marethari's response is: "You would give us our own land?"

 

In case you were wondering, she accepts.

 

Basically, it's an issue that the Dalish have their own homeland in the Hinterlands, or they don't. It's either one or the other. I think the concern is that the Hinterlands basically the same in all playthroughs, most likely due to budgetary restraints in not wanting to differentiate it simply for one specific group of fans who had their Dalish Warden chose this specific boon. I don't disagree with Palidane, and I think that it seems like the import system will show some shortcomings with issues like this.

[Hellion Rex]

Sad thing is that I don't believe it'll come up in DAI, and if it does, it won't be very relevant, maybe a codex entry or two at most.

[LobselVith8]

Sad thing is that I don't believe it'll come up in DAI, and if it does, it won't be very relevant, maybe a codex entry or two at most.

 

Which wouldn't really make any sense, since I can imagine an elven Inquisitor would doubt the trustworthiness of the Crown if the Hinterlands belonged to Redcliffe (post-Dalish Boon), and not the Dalish. Having the Dalish Boon ignored when the protagonist is heading to the Hinterlands (and one of the racial options is Dalish) would be even more ridiculous than when the Magi Boon was ignored in Awakening and Witch Hunt.

[MisterJB]

Speakin of Witch Hunt, thatat DLC was already mentioning how Redcliff was on the path towards becoming a power rivaling Denerim.

It's possible Redcliff pure and simply annexed the Hinterlands and the monarch wasn't willing to risk another civil war for the sake of elves that aren't even Ferelden to begin with.