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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ah well.  They'd be better of in Arlathan anyhow.  More elven, less dogs.

They'd have to did it up out of the ground though. Dogs could be useful for that.

[LobselVith8]

Ah well.  They'd be better of in Arlathan anyhow.  More elven, less dogs.

 

I do feel bad for my friends who chose the Dalish Boon; one of them was in the middle of a Dalish Warden playthrough. Per Arlathan, if it's underground and filled with darkspawn (per Tamlen's dialogue about seeing an underground city), that might not be a good idea. If the Donarks wasn't inhabited by people who drink the blood of their enemies, that would make an interesting location for the Dalish to head to as a new homeland.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We don't see any Dalish elves in the demo concerning the Hinterlands; the woman doesn't have vallaslin. Unfortunately, the developers also haven't responded to fans who have made inquiries about the Hinterlands being different for players who chose to have their Dalish Warden ask for their own land.

Hey, I'm just happy there is a place where an elf is treated as equal to a human commoner, as in allowed land to farm. That's great progress right there. 

[Icy Magebane]

I do feel bad for my friends who chose the Dalish Boon; one of them was in the middle of a Dalish Warden playthrough. Per Arlathan, if it's underground and filled with darkspawn (per Tamlen's dialogue about seeing an underground city), that might not be a good idea. If the Donarks wasn't inhabited by people who drink the blood of their enemies, that would make an interesting location for the Dalish to head to as a new homeland.

Yeah, that wouldn't be my first choice of neighbors...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Don't want to kill elves, want to kill the Dalish.

Big difference.

Not really, there isn't. City Elves and Dailish Elves aren't that different. Both persecuted, both elves, both share mutual hatred with humanity, both try to remember their past despite being hybrid human culture. The only difference is their religion and location.

[TK514]

I do feel bad for my friends who chose the Dalish Boon; one of them was in the middle of a Dalish Warden playthrough. Per Arlathan, if it's underground and filled with darkspawn (per Tamlen's dialogue about seeing an underground city), that might not be a good idea. If the Donarks wasn't inhabited by people who drink the blood of their enemies, that would make an interesting location for the Dalish to head to as a new homeland.

 

Mabari jokes aside, I was actually thinking the forest itself, rather than the vanished city.

 

I honestly believe that when the story of the elves reaches its culmination, it will happen there rather than in the Dales.  And it will probably coincide with the end of the Tevinter Imperium as we know it.

[LobselVith8]

Mabari jokes aside, I was actually thinking the forest itself, rather than the vanished city.

 

I honestly believe that when the story of the elves reaches its culmination, it will happen there rather than in the Dales.  And it will probably coincide with the end of the Tevinter Imperium as we know it.

 

Arlathan Forest seems a bit small to accommodate the elves, or even most of the Dalish clans. It looks to be only a little bigger than the Hinterlands, but much smaller than the Dales.

[Xilizhra]

Hey, I'm just happy there is a place where an elf is treated as equal to a human commoner, as in allowed land to farm. That's great progress right there. 

It's not equal unless they can practice their own religion.

[TK514]

It's not equal unless they can practice their own religion.

 

They can.  They're Andrastians.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They can.  They're Andrastians.

Indeed. That City Elf was equal to a human. Way to go, Arl Eamon or Teagan or whoever was running you before the war came. 

[Xilizhra]

They can.  They're Andrastians.

Not the point, especially since the Dalish should be allowed to live in the region now.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not the point, especially since the Dalish should be allowed to live in the region now.

Well, maybe they are allowed to there as long as they don't try to forcibly convert others or be hostile to the rest of the people who live there. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm pretty sure we've never seen or heard of an example of the Dalish forcibly converting anyone.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm pretty sure we've never seen or heard of an example of the Dalish forcibly converting anyone.

You have to be of their faith to be part of a clan. 

 

In truth, there really is no religion in Thedas other than maybe the Qun that forcibly makes one convert. I just wanted to turn that argument around. 

[Samahl]

Wasn't worship of the Creators illegal at one point?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Wasn't worship of the Creators illegal at one point?

Wasn't spreading the Chant of Light in the Dales illegal at one point? 

[Samahl]

Wasn't spreading the Chant of Light in the Dales illegal at one point?

We can't know for sure.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We can't know for sure.

Really? I remember the Dalish side admitting they kicked them out. 

 

Edit: Ah, here it is. 

 

You will hear tales of the woman Andraste. The shemlen name her prophet, bride of their Maker. But we knew her as a war leader, one who, like us, had been a slave and dreamed of liberation. We joined her rebellion against the Imperium, and our heroes died beside her, unmourned, in Tevinter bonfires.

But we stayed with our so-called allies until the war ended. Our reward: A land in southern Orlais called the Dales. So we began the Long Walk to our new home.

Halamshiral, "the end of the journey," was our capital, built out of the reach of the humans. We could once again forget the incessant passage of time. Our people began the slow process of recovering the culture and traditions we had lost to slavery.

But it was not to last. The Chantry first sent missionaries into the Dales, and then, when those were thrown out, templars. We were driven from Halamshiral, scattered. Some took refuge in the cities of the shemlen, living in squalor, tolerated only a little better than vermin.

We took a different path. We took to the wilderness, never stopping long enough to draw the notice of our shemlen neighbors. In our self-imposed exile, we kept what remained of elven knowledge and culture alive.

--"The End of the Long Walk," as told by Gisharel, keeper of the Ralaferin clan of the Dalish elves

[Samahl]

Really? I remember both sides saying the Dalish kicked the missionaries out.

That doesn't mean spreading the Chant itself was illegal, just that those specific missionaries were unwelcome in the Dales, for whatever reason.

I recall talk of a law (in some human country - possibly Orlais?) specifically banning Dalish pantheon worship...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That doesn't mean spreading the Chant itself was illegal, just that those specific missionaries were unwelcome in the Dales, for whatever reason.

I recall talk of a law (in some human country - possibly Orlais?) specifically banning Dalish pantheon worship...

Kicking all the missionaries of a religion out of a nation is pretty much the definition of having a religion be illegal. 

[Samahl]

Kicking all the missionaries of a religion out of a nation is pretty much the definition of having a religion be illegal.

Not really, as I explained above.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not really, as I explained above.

Then prove to me that the Dales were fine with having the Chantry in their nation's borders.

[Samahl]

Then prove to me that the Dales were fine with having the Chantry in their nation's borders.

I can't. The only evidence for them not being fine with the Chantry was that they expelled a few foreign missionaries from their land. We don't know why they did it. It could be because they were intolerant of Andrastianism, or maybe because the missionaries were too hellbent on conversion for their liking. Maybe they caused trouble in other ways. Who knows?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I can't. The only evidence for them not being fine with the Chantry was that they expelled a few foreign missionaries from their land. We don't know why they did it. It could be because they were intolerant of Andrastianism, or maybe because the missionaries were too hellbent on conversion for their liking. Maybe they caused trouble in other ways. Who knows?

So we have no evidence of them supporting it and evidence of them not supporting it by kicking all the missionaries out and it going against their culture. So until the Dalish can prove to me that they didn't make it illegal, I'm seeing it as it was since there is evidence for that argument. 

[Samahl]

So we have no evidence of them supporting it and evidence of them not supporting it by kicking all the missionaries out and it going against their culture. So until the Dalish can prove to me that they didn't make it illegal, I'm seeing it as it was since there is evidence for that argument.

You're the one making the positive claim that the Dalish did make it illegal. The burden of proof is on you. Until you can provide more evidence to back up your claim, it will remain unconvincing.