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[Steelcan]

Incorrect. The Dalish have never captured and then forcibly converted an entire nation's population.

Well it wasn't for lack of trying

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I should mention that the Dales is not the same as the Dalish. Back then the Dales represented all elves, the predecessors of city and Dalish alike. And neither are the same as how the Dales was.

[Heimdall]

After several military provocations from said religion. And there's no evidence that they forbade conversion.

What military provocations?

That they refused to allow missionaries within their borders would speak to forbidding the option to follow other faiths.

[Xilizhra]

What military provocations?

That they refused to allow missionaries within their borders would speak to forbidding the option to follow other faiths.

Templar incursions. In any case, given the intertwining between Orlais and the Chantry, the missionaries would not be too far removed from spies trying to undermine the Dales' government.

[Steelcan]

Templar incursions. In any case, given the intertwining between Orlais and the Chantry, the missionaries would not be too far removed from spies trying to undermine the Dales' government.

templar incursions, that may or may not have been along with the Exalted march, and we know that missionaries went first before the knights

 

that is pure headcanon, they may have been simply trying to save the souls of those deluded heathens

[Ianamus]

Incorrect. The Dalish have never captured and then forcibly converted an entire nation's population.

 

If they had the power to they would do that to the humans, only they wouldn't capture or convert them, they would just kill them off entirely. They believe that if humanity was removed entirely it would make them immortal.

 

If anything it's even more intolerant and exclusive than human culture. In human culture elves are seen as inferior, but in elven culture humanity is almost literally a plague.

 

Even their religion revolves entirely around themselves. It's like there is no room for any other race at all. At least the Qun and the Chantry religions acknowledge the existence of other races.

[Xilizhra]

If they had the power to they would do that to the humans, only they wouldn't capture or convert them, they would just kill them off entirely. They believe that if humanity was removed entirely it would make them immortal.

 

If anything it's even more intolerant and exclusive than human culture. In human culture elves are inferior, but in elven culture humanity is almost literally a plague.

 

Even their religion revolves entirely around the elves. It's like there is no room for any other race at all. At least the Qun and the Chantry religions acknowledge the existence of other races.

The Dalish just don't care what religion other people follow; how's that a bad thing?

As for your first statement, it's an interesting assertion that has absolutely no hope of ever being proven. It was never a matter of killing off humanity, just ensuring that humans didn't come too close.

[Heimdall]

*NVM*

[MisterJB]

Well, we have to consider, between an isolationist nation that really doesn't want to get human cooties on one side, and an expansionist nation and religion on the other, which one was really more likely to make the first move.

You mean like the Clayne in the Ferelden? Who made the first move there?

 

It's feasible that the elven government, or just a faction of it, witnessed Orlais fight a Blight for 90 years and thought it weak enough to be destroyed and thus make a dent in the human population who are so darstadly keeping immortality from the elves. while simultaneously returning some Thedosian lands to their "rightful owners".

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That is not really true. Belief in the quickening really only applies to history. No elves are have ever enacted a plan to become immoral by destroying humanity. There is also no record of the elves committing atrocities after capturing Montsimmard.

Edit: this post was made before the last few entries were seen.

[Heimdall]

The Dalish just don't care what religion other people follow; how's that a bad thing?
As for your first statement, it's an interesting assertion that has absolutely no hope of ever being proven. It was never a matter of killing off humanity, just ensuring that humans didn't come too close.

But they care very much what religion THEIR people follow. That's the point.

[Steelcan]

That is not really true. Belief in the quickening really only applies to history. No elves are have ever enacted a plan to become immoral by destroying humanity. There is also no record of the elves committing atrocities after capturing Montsimmard.

Edit: this post was made before the last few entries were seen.

sacking several human cities involves killing civilians, sounds like an atrocity

[Ianamus]

The Dalish just don't care what religion other people follow; how's that a bad thing?

As for your first statement, it's an interesting assertion that has absolutely no hope of ever being proven. It was never a matter of killing off humanity, just ensuring that humans didn't come too close.

 

Their mythology doesn't even mention the other races at all, despite long term contact with the Dwarves. It shows that the old elven culture was entirely self-centered, if nothing else.

 

I think that one of the quotes in the masked empire summed it up, something like "We'll take the Dales back when all the humans are dead". They have no interest in co-existence, only humanity being completely removed from "their land" entirely.

[Xilizhra]

You mean like the Clayne in the Ferelden? Who made the first move there?

The Clayne had apparently proven themselves untrustworthy long before then, IIRC.

 

 

It's feasible that the elven government, or just a faction of it, witnessed Orlais fight a Blight for 90 years and thought it weak enough to be destroyed and thus make a dent in the human population who are so darstadly keeping immortality from the elves. while simultaneously returning some Thedosian lands to their "rightful owners".

Unlikely. Much too one-sided for Bioware's preferences.

 

 

But they care very much what religion THEIR people follow. That's the point.

I don't think they would care so much so long as any followers of other religions weren't disrespecting the Creators or mages.

 

 

Their mythology doesn't even mention the other races at all, despite long term contact with the Dwarves. It shows that the old elven culture was entirely self-centered.

 

I think that one of the quotes in the masked empire summed it up, something like "We'll take the Dales back when all the humans are dead". They have no interest in co-existence, only humanity being completely removed from "their land" entirely.

The elves were alone on Thedas for quite some time, and the dwarves clearly had different origins and followed different powers that had no interest in the elves. As for TME's clan... yes, you found the word of one clan.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Their mythology doesn't even mention the other races at all, despite long term contact with the Dwarves. It shows that the old elven culture was entirely self-centered.

I think that one of the quotes in the masked empire summed it up, something like "We'll take the Dales back when all the humans are dead". They have no interest in co-existence, only humanity being completely removed from "their land" entirely.

That was just one clan. One which was by far more xenophobic than any we had seen before. The storyteller of the Sabrae Clan said the exact opposite. Paivel said City Elves are important specifically because they can teach the Dalish to understand the humans so they can live in peace.

[MisterJB]

The Dalish just don't care what religion other people follow; how's that a bad thing?

As for your first statement, it's an interesting assertion that has absolutely no hope of ever being proven. It was never a matter of killing off humanity, just ensuring that humans didn't come too close.

Clearly, that required sacking Val-Royeaux.

 

I mean, it's right on the border. Since we know they took Montsimmard before hand, this is what the elves did.

 

Honestly, if you don't think that's self-defense, you're just biased against the elves.

[Steelcan]

racially intolerant, religiously intolerant, violent, ringing recommendations to give them another shot at a nation

[Ianamus]

 

I don't think they would care so much so long as any followers of other religions weren't disrespecting the Creators or mages.

 

The Dalish couldn't care less about what happens to non-Dalish mages, not even elven ones.

 

I don't see how the Chantry sending missionaries to try to convert the Dalish is any worse than the Dalish converting all young Dalish (and any city-elves they take in) to follow their religion. The only difference between the elven religion and the chantry/qun is that the Dalish are only interested in forcing their people to follow the religion, because their religion is entirely elven-centric to begin with.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

racially intolerant, religiously intolerant, violent, ringing recommendations to give them another shot at a nation

 

Still... it would gather them all in one place. Much easier to crush them then.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think the Sack of Val Royeaux is not canon any longer. WoT does not mention it.

[LOLandStuff]

When humans first showed up, they freaked out and kick them out, then they got invaded because humans are assholes who easily get mad when they get no for an answer.

Then, they got the Dales and repeated the same s**t, kicked them out and got invaded. Just let them preach, it's not like you're forced to listen to them.

And I'm sure they'd be doing it a third time. It's like they're asking for it.

 

Plus, I find it baffling how they still worship their gods and pick on andrastians without whom they'd still be slaving and bleeding in Tevinter.

[Xilizhra]

Clearly, that required sacking Val-Royeaux.

 

I mean, it's right on the border. Since we know they took Montsimmard before hand, this is what the elves did.

 

Honestly, if you don't think that's self-defense, you're just biased against the elves.

The Chantry was the one causing the provocations, and it's based in Val Royeaux.

 

 

The Dalish couldn't care less about what happens to non-Dalish mages, not even elven ones.

 

I don't see how the Chantry sending missionaries to try to convert the Dalish is any worse than the Dalish converting all young Dalish (and any city-elves they take in) to follow their religion. The only difference between the elven religion and the chantry/qun is that the Dalish are only interested in forcing their people to follow the religion, because their religion is entirely elven-centric to begin with.

Because the Dalish are doing so with those who are already converting to them willingly (and the evidence that the Dalish force city elves to follow their religion is nil), and not violating border security to attack the foundations of a sovereign government.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Plus, I find it baffling how they still worship their gods and pick on andrastians without whom they'd still be slaving and bleeding in Tevinter.

 

Dat victim complex tho! Where would the Dalish be without their victim complex?

[MisterJB]

The Chantry was the one causing the provocations, and it's based in Val Royeaux.

Ah, so self-defense requires you to burn the home of your attacker to the ground.

Who cares if his wife and kids are there? Acceptable sacrifices.

[Steelcan]

Dat victim complex tho! Where would the Dalish be without their victim complex?

probably more of them would be alive