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#1901
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Indeed, but you must admit that there are many who would make light of a serious problem.  Orlais is a pretty bad place to live, for both human commoners and city elves.

 

Well, Orlais is indeed a bad place. That only makes me want to stab a fashionista. Or maybe not. They'd only think a dagger between the ribs is a fashion accessory.


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Well, Orlais is indeed a bad place. That only makes me want to stab a fashionista.

lol... I'm going to like that once I get a few back.  My stock runs out fast.



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People picked my Dalish who is is purely MY creation to justify the hate the dalish in general, which is BIOWARE'S creation.

 

Where is the logic here ?

I was saying if Bioware's creation is like your creation, I won't help them. That is perfectly logical. 



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Indeed, but you must admit that there are many who would make light of a serious problem.  Orlais is a pretty bad place to live, for both human commoners and city elves.

 

Thedas is a pretty bad place to live for both human commoners and city elves.



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This is likely going to be one of those choices that tests the resolve of the PC or calls their morality/goals into question... I also have my doubts that it's avoidable.  It might just come down to making a hard decision to mitigate whatever damages the player thinks they will cause, and hope for the best.  The bottom line is that the Inquisitor has limited influence.  S/he'll likely have to just make decisions like this and accept that the consequences are largely out of their hands.

 

I think that's the most sensible approach to any issue in DA:I. Otherwise, it will be disappointment after disappointment for expecting something that Bioware never promised.



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If I did, I don't recall. I know I've said "I hate how the Dalish *insert fault here*" but that's it in my recollection. So if I did, it was a heat of the moment argument and not my true opinion on the subject. 

 

Fair enough.

 

No, but leaving them to the ravages of civil war and the Veil Tears could. Which is what some people are saying they will do. 

 

No one is forcing Celene or Gaspard to fight over the throne; they're responsible for the civil war. It's not on the Inquisitor for staying out of it when their society involves some fairly brutal acts against the elven people. It's been nearly a thousand years of the same institution brutally subjugating the elves; for some people, they think enough is enough. To be perfectly frank, I don't see why Briala couldn't provide a third option to siding with Celene or Gaspard. Or even Morrigan, with her enigmatic plans.



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I was saying if Bioware's creation is like your creation, I won't help them. That is perfectly logical. 

 

I don't see how Bioware's creation can be like mine, since I purposefully created mine with the perspective of being the lead of the Inquisition.

 

Like an earlier concept I had for a mage supremacist, she was a blood mage who don't understand why everyone made such a fuss about it, because if she could do it, anybody could...but that's because she had a "player character bias", while NPC and factions are not written the same way.



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It is alright brother! Those damned apostates won't escape justice in the end!

 

JUSTICE! 


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JUSTICE!

Death to the Stormcloaks


Wait wrong game..
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Thedas is a pretty bad place to live for both human commoners and city elves.

I think I see where this is going... yes, the nobility have a lot of power, but I'm pretty sure that it's only legal to kill city elves, not random human commoners.  Unless there was a human purge that I'm unaware of?  I could be wrong...

 

Edit:  Actually, I'd like multiple examples of human commoner purges if they ever took place, since it's a pretty regular occurrence within the alienages.  One human purge isn't sufficient evidence to make their plights seem equal in my eyes.



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Death to the Stormcloaks


Wait wrong game..

 

Steel...I'll admit that actually went through my head when i typed this because i did recall that from the Prologue from Skyrim.


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Indeed, but you must admit that there are many who would make light of a serious problem.  Orlais is a pretty bad place to live, for both human commoners and city elves.

 

 

I think I see where this is going... yes, the nobility have a lot of power, but I'm pretty sure that it's only legal to kill city elves, not random human commoners.  Unless there was a human purge that I'm unaware of?  I could be wrong...

 

Edit:  Actually, I'd like multiple examples of human commoner purges if they ever took place, since it's a pretty regular occurrence within the alienages.  One human purge isn't sufficient evidence to make their plights seem equal in my eyes.

 

If you only meant City Elves, why did you mention human commoners in your original statement?



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If you only meant City Elves, why did you mention human commoners in your original statement?

Forgive me if I misunderstood your response.  I thought it implied that because both impoverished humans and elves were oppressed across Thedas, then their struggles are equitable.  Was there a different meaning that I missed?

 

Were you simply saying that all of Thedas sucks, not just Orlais?



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And if the humans had lost against the Darkspawn?  The Dalish would have been exterminated right along with everyone else.  You would have to think very poorly of their intelligence if you believe they couldn't come to that conclusion.

 

The Emerald Knights could have fought the darkspawn while some went back to evacuate men, women, and children away from the area, perhaps through the Frostback Mountains. There's so much context that's missing from that moment that it's almost impossible to address it with any certainty, and it's more than a little absurd to paint the entirety of the elves of the Dales in a negative light because of it. Loghain's moment at Ostagar proved that things may not necessarily be as simple as we might originally think, after all.

 

Perhaps more context about the moment might be shed in Inquisition, with the elven Inquisitor in the former elven homeland of the Dales.



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Wasn't there a girl in Denerim who ran away because a chevalier couldn't have his way and got all mad and whatnot?



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I think I see where this is going... yes, the nobility have a lot of power, but I'm pretty sure that it's only legal to kill city elves, not random human commoners.  Unless there was a human purge that I'm unaware of?  I could be wrong...

 

Well...There were the Purges back in the Orlesian Occupation of Fereldan and a few other examples, The Notable examples i'd think would the purge at the Mac Tir Camp, The Purge of Lothering and then there was the purge in Highever during the Howe attack, The Qunari Purges by the Chantry during the reconquest of Rivain.

 

._. There has been "legal" justifications for the execution of human peasantry before.



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Fair enough.

 

 

No one is forcing Celene or Gaspard to fight over the throne; they're responsible for the civil war. It's not on the Inquisitor for staying out of it when their society involves some fairly brutal acts against the elven people. It's been nearly a thousand years of the same institution brutally subjugating the elves; for some people, they think enough is enough. To be perfectly frank, I don't see why Briala couldn't provide a third option to siding with Celene or Gaspard. Or even Morrigan, with her enigmatic plans.

But it is on the Inquisitor if they leave them to be ravaged by the Veil Tears. 

 

And because there is no way an elf or a mage will be allowed to rule. The only reason Gaspard even has a shot is because he has the support of the Chevaliers on his side, which ironically means he'll never get my support. 



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Wasn't there a girl in Denerim who ran away because a chevalier couldn't have his way and got all mad and whatnot?

 

Yes, Liselle.



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Wasn't there a girl in Denerim who ran away because a chevalier couldn't have his way and got all mad and whatnot?

Yeah, the girl in the marketplace... her brother attacked him to save her so they had to flee or face death.

 

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The elves got their ass handed to them from a recovering force. The Darkspawns would've done short work of them.



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Wasn't there a girl in Denerim who ran away because a chevalier couldn't have his way and got all mad and whatnot?

Liselle. A Chevalier almost raped her so her brother hit him over the head with a pot, so they ran to Ferelden before the could get arrested. 



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See? The real problem here are the chevalier. Someone ought to get rid of those guys. The douches anyway.



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I think I see where this is going... yes, the nobility have a lot of power, but I'm pretty sure that it's only legal to kill city elves, not random human commoners.  Unless there was a human purge that I'm unaware of?  I could be wrong...

 

Edit:  Actually, I'd like multiple examples of human commoner purges if they ever took place, since it's a pretty regular occurrence within the alienages.  One human purge isn't sufficient evidence to make their plights seem equal in my eyes.

Technically it is illegal to kill Elves. It is just that no one cares enough to actually do something about it.



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See? The real problem here are the chevalier. Someone ought to get rid of those guys. The douches anyway.

 

...But...But...Gaspard!


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See? The real problem here are the chevalier. Someone ought to get rid of those guys. The douches anyway.

Why do you think I'm siding with Celene? Gaspard gathering all the Chevaliers on his side made the choice really easy for me.