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[TK514]

Forgive me if I misunderstood your response.  I thought it implied that because both impoverished humans and elves were oppressed across Thedas, then their struggles are equitable.  Was there a different meaning that I missed?

 

Were you simply saying that all of Thedas sucks, not just Orlais?

 

All of Thedas sucks, not just Orlais.

 

I mean, look at Ferelden, which is a lot of posters favorite of favorites, and where it is illegal to defend an elf against a human.  And where Goldanna certainly didn't seem to be livin' la vida, you know?

 

We, as PCs, tend to move among the 'great and good' except when the developers specifically want to point something out to us, so it's easy to overlook how crappy life is for the majority of the populace, particularly in urban environments.

[Vapaa]

...But...But...Gaspard!

 

He was a douche, attacking Ferelden to create a feeling of unity in Orlais ? c'mon.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

...But...But...Gaspard!

 

A man worthy of Fantasy! France! (Take that as you will)

[Icy Magebane]

Technically it is illegal to kill Elves. It is just that no one cares enough to actually do something about it.

I don't know if that's better or worse, tbh... it's like Thedas is a caricature of Earth that reflects and amplifies only the negative aspects of irl humans.

 

All of Thedas sucks, not just Orlais.

 

I mean, look at Ferelden, which is a lot of posters favorite of favorites, and where it is illegal to defend an elf against a human.  And where Goldanna certainly didn't seem to be livin' la vida, you know?

 

We, as PCs, tend to move among the 'great and good' except when the developers specifically want to point something out to us, so it's easy to overlook how crappy life is for the majority of the populace, particularly in urban environments.

Valid points.  I mean, every race and nationality seems to lack a sense of morality... the dwarven casteless have no rights whatsoever, and the nobility can do anything they want to them.  I still think that humans have it better than other races within their own societies, but I'm not going to say that any society on Thedas is beyond reproach.  Maybe a comparison isn't necessary since they are all heavily corrupted.  Mistreatment of the poor seems to be universally accepted.

[EmperorSahlertz]

He was a douche, attacking Ferelden to create a felling of unity in Orlais ? c'mon.

Makes complete sense. While questionable, there is nothing like a common enemy to unite disparate people.

[LobselVith8]

But it is on the Inquisitor if they leave them to be ravaged by the Veil Tears. 

 

I'd rather hope that the two are divorced from one another. I wouldn't mind seeing the Orlesian Empire come crashing down, and another system replacing it that's much more humane. Maybe that's what Briala has planned for Orlais.

 

And because there is no way an elf or a mage will be allowed to rule. The only reason Gaspard even has a shot is because he has the support of the Chevaliers on his side, which ironically means he'll never get my support. 

 

It's not an issue of supporting the continuation of the Orlesian system with another contender, but rather seeing alternatives with people who can bring about something entirely different that might supplant it.

[LOLandStuff]

...But...But...Gaspard!

 

 

Maybe not all of them

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't know if that's better or worse, tbh... it's like Thedas is a caricature of Earth that reflects and amplifies only the negative aspects of irl humans.

Aveline cared. If her influence grows big enough, the Captain following her might follow suit, and as such influence will spread, slowly changing Thedas for the better... Until the Elves decide to throw it all to hell, and validate all the prejudices of humans, by going to war.

[Vapaa]

Makes complete sense. While questionable, there is nothing like a common enemy to unite disparate people.

 

But that wouldn't resolve the Mage/Templar tension, he was short-sided and admitted as much.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd rather hope that the two are divorced from one another. I wouldn't mind seeing the Orlesian Empire come crashing down, and another system replacing it that's much more humane. Maybe that's what Briala has planned for Orlais.

 

 

It's not an issue of supporting the continuation of the Orlesian system with another contender, but rather seeing alternatives with people who can bring about something entirely different that might supplant it.

You realize how hard this would be for future games, right? Having the world's superpower come crashing down in some playhroughs but not in others will drastically affect the world state. 

[Steelcan]

But that wouldn't resolve the Mage/Templar tension, he was short-sided and admitted as much.

. That's why Annulments exist of course

[Vapaa]

Aveline cared. If her influence grows big enough, the Captain following her might follow suit, and as such influence will spread, slowly changing Thedas for the better... Until the Elves decide to throw it all to hell, and validate all the prejudices of humans, by going to war.

 

Yeah a guard captain in Kirkwall changing Thedas when the Empress of Orlais barely got some progress in 20 years, let's not kid ourselves.

 

. That's why Annulments exist of course

 

Terrrible solution is terrible.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Aveline cared. If the influence grows big enough, the Captain following her might follow suit, and as such influence will spread, slowly changing Thedas for the better... Until the Elves decide to throw it all to hell, and validate all the prejudices of humans, by going to war.

 

Emperor: And today we sign into law the equality of worth act, giving equal protections to elves under the la---

Scout: My lord! The elves have invaded the Dales!!!

Emperor:... Really?

Scout: Yes sir.

Emperor: And just like that the good will is gone.

[Hellion Rex]

You realize how hard this would be for future games, right? Having the world's superpower come crashing down in some playhroughs but not in others will drastically affect the world state.

Indeed. I don't think it'll be possible. Reforms and moderate shake ups of the system, yes, but nothing so revolutionary.

[Master Warder Z_]

. That's why Annulments exist of course

 

Exactly.

 

Kill the Mages, bring in new ones and start over.

 

Seems to be the appropriate way to end the current rebellion.

[Vapaa]

Exactly.

 

Kill the Mages, bring in new ones and start over.

 

Seems to be the appropriate way to end the current rebellion.

 

And my dalish is the extreme one ?

[EmperorSahlertz]

But that wouldn't resolve the Mage/Templar tension, he was short-sided and admitted as much.

I didn't realize it was Orlais' job to fix the Chantry's mess....

 

 

Yeah a guard captain in Kirkwall changing Thedas when the Empress of Orlais barely got some progress in 20 years, let's not kid ourselves.

A single man forgetting to lock the door at Bastille changed the course of history.

 

Terrrible solution is terrible.

Yet so effective.

[Steelcan]

And my dalish is the extreme one ?

. Yes letting everyone die because of selfishness is much worse than killing rebels

[LobselVith8]

You realize how hard this would be for future games, right? Having the world's superpower come crashing down in some playhroughs but not in others will drastically affect the world state. 

 

Perhaps you're right about Orlais, although I would like to see some significant outcomes within the narrative. I think the Dales could become independent without it being too much of an issue for the following games. If the 'five game plan' involves heading to different regions, I think there could be significant changes in Ferelden, Orlais, and the Dales without being too much of an issue; there's still the Anderfels, Nevarra, the Free Marches, Antiva, Rivain, Tevinter, and the Qunari islands of Par Vollen and Seheron.

[Vapaa]

I didn't realize it was Orlais' job to fix the Chantry's mess....

 

With the Chantry being based in Orlais, a clash between the Mages and Templars would only bring unwantedd confliict in the heart of the Empire. The nobles don't want that, and will show support to whoever would preserve the statu quo.

 

. Yes letting everyone die because of selfishness is much worse than killing rebels

 

Like in Dairsmuid ?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Perhaps you're right about Orlais, although I would like to see some significant outcomes within the narrative. I think the Dales could become independent without it being too much of an issue for the following games. If the 'five game plan' involves heading to different regions, I think there could be significant changes in Ferelden, Orlais, and the Dales without being too much of an issue; there's still the Anderfels, Nevarra, the Free Marches, Antiva, Rivain, Tevinter, and the Qunari islands of Par Vollen and Seheron.

The Dales becoming independent could work, since the elves in future games can simply just be hearing about it and there be talks of elves doing another Long Walk. 

 

But having nations collapse, especially the superpower, is a lot harder to manage. 

[Steelcan]

Literally anything is better than your Dalish, because unless my alternative is "kill every living person in Thedas" I will have more survivors than you

[Vapaa]

 

But having nations collapse, especially the superpower, is a lot harder to manage. 

 

Not happening, and I don't even want it to happen, nations don't just collaspe into vaccum.

[Mistic]

Why do you think I'm siding with Celene? Gaspard gathering all the Chevaliers on his side made the choice really easy for me. 

 

What? No, Gaspard didn't gather all the Chevaliers. He's just a chevalier and knows what they think, but Celene's army has chevaliers. Michel is a good example of that. And let's not forget the army of Lady Seryl of Jader that sacked that village in TME to scare them. They were loyalists.

 

I don't know if that's better or worse, tbh... it's like Thedas is a caricature of Earth that reflects and amplifies only the negative aspects of irl humans.

 

Not really. Real history in our world is just that ugly. I mean, we are all humans, no fantasy races to blame it on fantasy racism, and we still enslaved, conquered, killed, marginalized and oppressed one another.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

. Yes letting everyone die because of selfishness is much worse than killing rebels

 

Damn "Mage unrest" modifier! It gives every county +15% revolt risk.

 

And can only be removed by destroying the rebels or sending in your marshal to "Annul" the province.