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#51
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Pretty sure they'd make a Kindle for toasters if they thought people would use it. Damned thing is everywhere, hehe

That would be... awesome!

It could toast stamp a page into each slice!

 

Also now i cant get...

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Talkie toaster out of my head... but for some odd reason im picturing it using Gaider's voice..... :unsure:


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I actualy love the comics, and the books...except for:

 

<snip>

 

To this day, I can't fit this in, ANYWHERE. The table top games are easier compare to this.

 

Still, Gleam was kind of cool. 

 

Eeew, Orson Scott Card.


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Easily explained: the maid was not impregnated by the king, but by a lesser noble who wants nothing to do with her. Instead of explain what happens she tell her little girl it was a king

So, it's not just a random Redcliff maid that happened to give birth (and die in process, along with a child) at the right  moment, but also a random Redcliff maid that happened to tell her elder girl that she was having a king-bastard baby? That's....uhm...convenient.

 

Also note, that Alistair is aware of his father and his half-brother - so much of the conspiracy. Also, a Chantry amulet as a token from a  (ex) GW orlesian city elf mage?.. 


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#54
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DAI writers have some gymnastics to do to incorporate events of Asunder into all possible import states. Like ones with Wynne deader than dead and thus unable to participate.
Or incorporate events of those Alistair comics into import states with Alistair being dead/dead drunk and thus unable to participate in events that revealed his heritage to Varric/Isabela.



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DAI writers have some gymnastics to do to incorporate events of Asunder into all possible import states. Like ones with Wynne deader than dead and thus unable to participate.

Wynne had already died once before we met her in the tower so I don't think that's going to be much of an issue. 
 

Or incorporate events of those Alistair comics into import states with Alistair being dead/dead drunk and thus unable to participate in events that revealed his heritage to Varric/Isabela.

This on the other hand is a bit more problematic.



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They are only as important as you make them out to be -- Alistair's mother isn't significant to the overall narrative of the games for instance. It'll vary from people to people.



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I love the books myself. Loghain is my favorite Dragon Age character thanks to "The Stolen Throne." It's also my favorite book^


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I couldn't put Asunder down but I can't get past the first chapter of Masked Empire. (I don't know what the difference is. It just seems kind of ... political? Instead of interesting lore wise, with demons and such.)

 

I had exactly same issues, I could only make myself past first ME pages on my 3rd attempt. It's nothing like Asunder, in very many ways. I can't say 'it's a bad book per se, but it's definitely not my type of reading. Much less expressive descriptions, which are supposed to pass an impression to a reader. much more direct dry details (buttons, laces, gems, pearls, buckles etc). Much less believable emotions, much more politics.  

I found it to be opposite, Asunder was good, but I felt The Masked Empire blew it away.

The descriptions were more detailed and immersive, the characters felt more interesting and memorable with their own agendas and desires, and it is one of the rare few times where I found the characters on both sides (in this case Celene and Gaspard) to be sympathetic and likable, for different reasons.

The plot was captivating and fascinating, the pacing was good, and writing-style was great, neither heavy or superficial. And there were a good mix of intrigue, characterisation, combat, exploring, dialogue, and emotional turmoil. 

Further, the fighting scenes were absolutely superp, something I know from personal experience can be very hard to get right.

It may just be personal preferences, but I still consider it one of the best books I have read in a long time.


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That would be... awesome!

It could toast stamp a page into each slice!

 

Also now i cant get...

tumblr_ml6pm39ETz1qh9bvro1_500.gif

Talkie toaster out of my head... but for some odd reason im picturing it using Gaider's voice..... :unsure:

To be fair, it does look a bit like Gaider.  (Don't scowl at me like that Gaider, I made you monies earlier in the thread, or at least I made your publisher money).  Balance in all things.



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Honestly in regards to Alistair's parentage - would it really be that much of a stretch for Marric to have also boned the maid? I mean he very well could have just before setting off to the deep roads. Thus later down the line when she died in childbirth they simply told Goldanna that the baby had survived despite it not. Then given her money to shut her trap... and walla .. Alistair has a whole fake family, with no one really being the wiser.

 

Course that means Marric was more unfaithful to his wife, but heck it's not exactly as if he had the best track record to being with :P



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Obviously spoilers:

 

That Alistair is the baby from The Calling is not 100% sure. The baby was left in Duncan´s care with the instruction that he should not learn about his parents, yet Alistair grew up in Eamon´s care and knew about his father. Also the reason Eamon gives for keeping Alistair´s father a secret is unbelievable if Alistair is truly Fiona´s child.

 

And since the comics make the Therin bloodline sound important, while through game lore Alistair is dead or will not have children (Anora did not get pregnant in years beeing married to Cailan and a Grey Warden royal couple is infertile), so I would not be overly surprised if Fiona´s child is the set-up for an emergency Therin should future story-lines require one.



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Obviously spoilers:

 

That Alistair is the baby from The Calling is not 100% sure.

It was confirmed by Mike Laidlaw in the Raptr QA that Fiona is indeed Alistair's mother.

 

Q: Ok so dragon age 1 was my favorite out of the 2 games. I liked the fighting stile better on da2. Ive beaten the first game with every charicter type. My fav was my dalish elf named turrin. In one of the endings i chose to breed my elf with morgan. Will their sons look half elf? And are you planning on bringing back race for charicter selection in the future games? Because honestley that was my favorite thing about dao
A: There are no half elves in DA. The Human side always dominates the appearance. Hence Alistair (MD)

 

http://www.princesss...evs-july-8-2014

 

It caused a bit of a flurry so here is Mike Laidlaw saying, "Sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious and widely known."

 

https://twitter.com/...585267336142848


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#63
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Who Alistair's mother is is not really important.

You sure about that? Because I guarantee she's going to be in Inquisition :)

 

The racial implications are also VERY important for understanding the universe, and they're something that hasn't come across at all in the games (Feynriel in DA2 completely got the world wrong, unfortunately).



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The people who haven't read the books who are weighing in here...I don't know how to respond to that. 

 

But for my personal experience, after reading the books and having played through the games 2-3 times each, I have three major takeaways:

 

  1. The books are extremely rewarding on their own. My favorite character in Thedas might be Katriel. Completely regardless of the games, the novels are well-told stories in a great setting with *excellent* characters. If a great story is important on its own merits, then the novels are important.
  2. There's a lot of lore/background/etc. about Thedas in the books that isn't in the games. That's not really arguable. The Calling explains the Fade and The Architect and even the Wardens better than the games do. Asunder explains life in the Circle Tower. If lore is important to you, then the novels are important (so is The World of Thedas).
  3. For me personally, the novels are more canonical than any one of my playthroughs. Most of that doesn't impact how I think about playing through the game--understanding Loghain's motivations doesn't mean every possible Warden would treat him the same--but in the instances where it does, like Leiliana and Wynne living, or Shale being recruited, I'm very happy to have the novel canon as part of the world. If the setting always allows for all possibilities, then it just isn't as compelling for me. If having a grounded and compelling canon beyond what is in the games is important to you, the novels provide a bit of that.

 

As for the comics and The Dawn of the Seeker, I don't put them quite in the same category on any of those points. They're necessarily much more cartoonish, and they're much easier to interpret as a cartoonish version of how things could have happened. Some of that might just be that I HATE what the comics do to Maric, but they also eliminate a lot more of the game choices while providing a much less grounded canon. I think they were fun, but they're also kind of...forgettable. In my opinion.

 

Anyway, we all have our own take on what's important, and not reading the novels doesn't mean your enjoyment of the games isn't valid or anything. I think the point is just that the novels add a lot to the universe, and for a lot of us they're the solid foundation of what Dragon Age is.


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#65
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I don't consider them important or required, especially as there's a wiki.

The Wiki isn't always correct and the DA books are way better to read. 


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#66
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The books and comics are only important if your the type of person that cares about the stuff Bioware does other then the games. I'm not one of those people.



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I first read Asunder last year (or beginning of this one, can't remember for sure) and quite liked it. Then read Masked Empire when it came out and loved all the intrigue, politics and backstabbing that went on. Those Orlesians are CRAZY and the plot was gripping.

 

Having then set myself up for DAI, I wanted to go back and see what I had missed with The Stolen Throne and The Calling. And up to now The Stolen Throne, which I finished reading the day before yesterday, is my absolute favourite so far. I felt I really lived through those characters' journeys and by the time the epilogue came I was in freaking tears! It's simply a great read and having played DAO it connects so many dots. I even went as far as playing DAO again and now I know who Mother Ailis who wrote some documents in the codex entries actually is, when she wrote them in relation to the timeline and what her role in the story is. It's just a small example, but the little details always get me. :)

 

Currently reading The Calling and by the end of chapter 3 it's already obvious how it's connected not only to Duncan but to Awakenings as well, the expansion for DAO. Hopefully I'll like it as much as the other three books.

 

Finally, The Last Flight is coming in September and the author chosen to write it is an odd one. Liane Merciel has no connection to the series so I'll be going in not expecting much. Will still buy it of course because so far the novels have been very much worth my time and the investment I've made in this series' lore.

 

Do not hesitate to read the books, you'll end up loving Dragon Age even more.


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I still gotta read Asunder, Stolen Throne and The Calling. I don't care to read the comics since I can just wiki them. 



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Wynne had already died once before we met her in the tower so I don't think that's going to be much of an issue.

 

You mean they are going to pull "you only thought you killed her" a second time?



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Obviously spoilers:

 

That Alistair is the baby from The Calling is not 100% sure. The baby was left in Duncan´s care with the instruction that he should not learn about his parents, yet Alistair grew up in Eamon´s care and knew about his father. Also the reason Eamon gives for keeping Alistair´s father a secret is unbelievable if Alistair is truly Fiona´s child.

 

And since the comics make the Therin bloodline sound important, while through game lore Alistair is dead or will not have children (Anora did not get pregnant in years beeing married to Cailan and a Grey Warden royal couple is infertile), so I would not be overly surprised if Fiona´s child is the set-up for an emergency Therin should future story-lines require one.

Its pretty darn sure considering:

 

1)  The original edition of WoT had Alistair's birth and the events of the Calling occurring at different times separated by years.  The devs released a statement correcting it, as they were meant to happen in the same year.

 

2)  It was recently confirmed by a dev (I think it was Laidlaw) that Alistair is elf-blooded.

 

I was a big fan of the third Theirin idea, but I can't say all that is coincidence,



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I've just started skimming through the non-game material, and I've discovered some rather crazy things... like Alistair's real mother. Like... what? I didn't even know this was a controversial question. Wow.

So it appears that Dragon Age's expanded universe content is far more important than Mass Effect's. I mean, significant plot progression has actually happened. I feel like I'm not caught up on the story at all.


Whatever the highlighted implies it kinda cheeses me off just a little bit. Not like Forum Raging or anything, just a minor annoyance. Hopefully things aren't just assumed to be known in the game.

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Does anyone know if the DA:I delay would also impact the release of Dragon Age: Last Flight novel which was scheduled for release on the 12 of August?

 

Amazon seems to be mute on the release date now, I recall seeing the release date as the 12th?



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Does anyone know if the DA:I delay would also impact the release of Dragon Age: Last Flight novel which was scheduled for release on the 12 of August?

Amazon seems to be mute on the release date now, I recall seeing the release date as the 12th?

Unknown, but it was moved to September awhile ago.

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Unknown, but it was moved to September awhile ago.


Thanks. Damn, was looking forward to mid August just because of the book.

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I found it to be opposite, Asunder was good, but I felt The Masked Empire blew it away.
The descriptions were more detailed and immersive, the characters felt more interesting and memorable with their own agendas and desires

That depends on tastes, really. Some prefer detailed realism, some are more into impressionism. To me ME is the former, while Asunder is the latter, and it's much more up to my liking. It does not make it a bad book, but those who a more like me are very likely to enjoy it less.