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[Phaedon]

I have no feelings one way or the other, but in order to be better safe than sorry, I'm reverting the last edits until Chewin or Cro can join the discussion, and support or reject the update.
 
Now, this I do have an issue with:
 

The alien races speculation comes from a fan panel at PAX 2013 that's a year and a half old, and we don't even know if the original source was accurate. OXM is not a legitimate source if the source they're using is wrong, or if they're just adding in random rumours among some genuine stuff from N7 Day. This is exactly how bad information spreads around.

The alien information originates from the N7 Day and had already been sourced within the doc for some time. Note how the article writer goes as far as to say that the information regarding their appearance is a rumour. That part is indeed from the NeoGAF thread.
 

I don't mean to sound passive aggressive

 

Don't worry, mate. We appreciate your interest, and this is a community effort after all.

[CroGamer002]

Title updated to reflect on today's updates being temporary reverted.

 

We don't want to mislead anyone with false promised features and we do appreciate for questioning sources from everyone. It is a community effort to build this thread to inform everyone, after all!

[Tonymac]

I do not trust this running out of oxygen shep never had this problem. It sounds annoying forceing you back to the mako for air all the time it will get boring quick.

 

 

(to Commander-Shepard) In ME1, there were some planets where you were given a timer on how long you could be outside a building or a vehicle because of the enviroment. Had something to do with external pressure, I believe, on one planet but don't quote me on it.

 

It never bothered me much because of how it was implemented. It should be mentioned, however, that these planets were optional from what I can remember so I really, really hope they consider how they implement it in ME:N if they plan on making it work in non-optional missions.

 

We walk around in space suits in ME1 - running out of oxygen is a fairly stupid idea if you ask me.  Do you know how much oxygen is in a cup of water?  Surely in the future they will have efficient storage systems and / or recovery methods for oxygen.

 

Many of the planets we went to were hazardous.  Some were very cold, some had *cough* spores, some had radiation.  Upgrades to your armor could allow you more time on them, but the worlds with level three hazards were pretty intense.  You had to get out, run your mini-hack on a rock full of Samarium, and then get back in the Mako.  I remember some worlds with mummified Salarians who died while trying to hack a rock.  Is anyone else thinking that hacking rocks is fairly tedious?

 

In ME1 some of the greatest fun was finding old Prothean ruins and whatnot.  After a while as you play through the game, you start to think that "this looks wrong", and you know why as a Thresher Maw bursts out of the ground and sends you into combat mode.  Its not just the beauty of the place, or its history, or the discovery - but its the danger too!  Its all of those facets.  If I'm going to get smoked, it better be from something worthy like a chest burster rather than a damn O2 bottle that I missed somewhere.

[Chewin]

Nobody, anywhere, has talked about running out of oxygen outside the Mako or "hundreds of hours" or "many cities per planet". The alien races speculation comes from a fan panel at PAX 2013 that's a year and a half old, and we don't even know if the original source was accurate. OXM is not a legitimate source if the source they're using is wrong, or if they're just adding in random rumours among some genuine stuff from N7 Day. This is exactly how bad information spreads around.

 

 

Take note that there is a reason to why this thread is titled "Known Features" and not "Confirmed". While it is indeed paramount that we source 'official information', even back in the early days of ME3 (meaning 2010-2011) articles like these were surfacing a lot, and even articles that had official interviews and direct BW quotes, were met with criticism here on the forum by BW mods, who said to take nothing for granted at this stage. If we really followed with such a strict rule, we would have to doubt almost everything at this point. 

 

While we don't know at what stage NME is on in its development, the information is without a doubt scarce and for all we know we have to take everything with a grain of salt, since the game could either be rather early on or have sudden changes in its development (just like DAI did). Even aspects that were taken up in the panels should not be seen as 100% facts, especially this early on (this has voiced by BW with both DA2, ME3 and DAI).

 

Regarding XBM, the races were brought up in the N7 Panel, which they point out, and the supposed appearances of said races are rumors--as they point out as well (which we added into the Rumor section of the Document). Considering nothing overly relevant was brought with this specific article, having the Rumor stay and what they want to achieve during with the game in terms of narrative and exploration should remain the document (IMHO) but otherwise it is fine as it is.

 

I don't mean to sound passive aggressive (...)

 

Hey, no sweat! As Phaedon and Cro have accurately pointed out, this is a community effort where we all are part of it (we simply do the editing). Voicing opinions and concerns is what we want people to do so that it helps everyone.

[Phaedon]

Alright, I think that the XBOX Magazine issue is resolved, I will unrevert the specific bits Chewin mentioned later tonight. (Unless I get ninja'd).
 

We walk around in space suits in ME1 - running out of oxygen is a fairly stupid idea if you ask me.  Do you know how much oxygen is in a cup of water?  Surely in the future they will have efficient storage systems and / or recovery methods for oxygen.

 
By the same logic, you'd think that if technology exists for a two layer armor that can somehow block really high velocity projectiles with insane kinetic energy, that can protect you to some extent from near-absolute zero superfluids (check the M-622 Avalanche) then ~ -120^oC temperatures should be fine. Or at least that armor should be impenetrable for microbes.

If they wanted to make some silly lore reason to conserve oxygen, they probably could.

[Recon Member]

Honestly, I rather have some info than nothing at all. And I even remember back in ME3 when they released gameplay screenshots of certain elements that they would have in the game, yet they didn't appear at all and were never explained why and this was back in 2011, in which we had way more info on the game than now.

 

A game is constantly going through changes, especially early on. Certain elements will change, and NOTHING should be taken as a 100% fact. Even BioWare have said this.

[Nitrocuban]

Imho ANY news would be good news.

Even if they just post pics of the N7 undies our char  wears or so I'd be happy.

[chris2365]

Honestly, I rather have some info than nothing at all. And I even remember back in ME3 when they released gameplay screenshots of certain elements that they would have in the game, yet they didn't appear at all and were never explained why and this was back in 2011, in which we had way more info on the game than now.

 

A game is constantly going through changes, especially early on. Certain elements will change, and NOTHING should be taken as a 100% fact. Even BioWare have said this.

 

I agree that a better balance must be struck. Though this is probably in reaction to all the hate ME3 got for getting overhyped and the developers not being cautious about what they were saying close to the release date. One example I remember well is Mac Walters saying, just a month before release, that the Rachni would have a massive role in the game, even in the final battle. We all know how that turned out 

 

I think most fans who are rational know that the game you get is never exactly the game that is advertised. However, for a game that is for sure past the mid-point of development (according to Yanick's quote back in April 2014) by now, it would be a good time to start talking about your game a bit. In my mind, this game is coming out in 2016, but for a game that started development back in Fall 2012, the dev cycle is for sure going past 3 years (i.e: longer than DAI, which had to be the sacrificial game to develop tech for next gen consoles).

 

I'm not saying that a longer dev cycle is a bad thing (au contraire, as we say here in Montreal  ), but it makes me wonder if either:

 

1) The game is very advanced and they just don't want to show it to us ( )

2) The game had development trouble/changes which explains the long dev cycle

3) The team was working at a slow rhythm on game development (i.e: small team, just brainstorming) for a while

4) They're just taking their time and want to make the best Mass Effect game ever 

 

I'm not saying any of these scenarios are bad. I just want a balance of info for a game announced two years ago and for which we've only gotten concept art and cryptic ''It's not called Mass Effect 4!'' comments. 

[Vazgen]

Any amount of information must at least be correct. I would prefer them showing us stuff only after they have made it. Otherwise we might get this

[chris2365]

Any amount of information must at least be correct. I would prefer them showing us stuff only after they have made it. Otherwise we might get this

 

I remember this trailer, but I didn't realize how much of a difference was portrayed versus what we actually got. Here, it implies that the mission is changed and you suffer for it if you go Renegade, but in reality she ends up helping you anyways.

 

And this video was released just a month before release, so they can't really say it was content that changed. It was just framed a certain way to give an impression. Although I wish dialogue choices like these actually had the sort of consequences we see in the video. Maybe something to consider in the next Mass Effect!

[InterrogationBear]

yeah Bioware's marketing department is a mess I don't know whats going on there between this and other ME3 "promises" we also got

something similiar with DA:I (gamescom demo I think)

No, leaked PAX-prealpha-demo that was not for the public. They never promised anything that is not in the game.

 

With ME3 though, I heard EA was heavily involved in the marketing material. I enjoyed the twitch-based marketing for DA:I much more than the slick commercials for ME3. Was probably much cheaper too.

[Tonymac]

yeah Bioware's marketing department is a mess I don't know whats going on there between this and other ME3 "promises" we also got

something similiar with DA:I (gamescom demo I think)

 

The thing is ME3 and DA:I were still very good games but this lying just pisses me off

 

You could bork those interactions and it would indeed have consequences.  Lie to Wrex and see what happens - its pretty interesting really.  Also, you can end up with only the Quarians or the Geth, not both.  You could also convince Jeff and EDI the break it off.  

 

Many choices in the game could impact it and give you less than optimal results, depending on what you wanted to see.

[Phaedon]

Alright, the modification is up.

 

In my mind, this game is coming out in 2016, but for a game that started development back in Fall 2012, the dev cycle is for sure going past 3 years (i.e: longer than DAI, which had to be the sacrificial game to develop tech for next gen consoles).

 

See, that's the weirdest part to me. Oh well, there is a chance we'll get some news either on PAX South (23/01) or PAX East (06/03).

[CroGamer002]

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[SNascimento]

Spent a few minutes just looking againt at all artwork. God, they look beautiful. I have to start a new playthourgh now, lest I go crazy waiting. 

[Tonymac]

Spent a few minutes just looking againt at all artwork. God, they look beautiful. I have to start a new playthourgh now, lest I go crazy waiting. 

 

That should take a pretty good amount of time.  A full runthrough, all three games?  If you scan all the keepers, do all of the UNC quests, Tali's loyalty mission, Wrex's armor, BDTS, get Shepard the apartment, just ME1 can take a pretty good chunk of time.  Even more if you want Shep at level 60 before going into ME2.

 

All three games with ALL DLC would be quite immersive.

[LisuPL]

So... we're delving into 2015 already, that's for sure and still no teaser annoucement/new info from devs...

 

 

Sigh...

[CroGamer002]

We might get something at PAX San Antonio, which is in 4 days.

[Phaedon]

Yup. We either get info in 4 days, or from PAX East (March 6), or the game isn't going to be an 2016 release, and we'll have to wait till E3.

[Tonymac]

Yup. We either get info in 4 days, or from PAX East (March 6), or the game isn't going to be an 2016 release, and we'll have to wait till E3.

 

I can certainly wait.  In some cases no news is good news.  I'd rather that they took the time to do it right rather than have a game that feels rushed.

[SimonTheFrog]

I can certainly wait.  In some cases no news is good news.  I'd rather that they took the time to do it right rather than have a game that feels rushed.

 

On the other hand: a lot of projects that had hardly any news for a year or more do actually struggle or died a silent death at some point. You know, like "The last guardian", "doom 4", "HL3"... that kind of silence. That's what we don't want to have

[Tonymac]

On the other hand: a lot of projects that had hardly any news for a year or more do actually struggle or died a silent death at some point. You know, like "The last guardian", "doom 4", "HL3"... that kind of silence. That's what we don't want to have

 

Quite a good point - but BioWare knows how to do their advertising.  When it comes time to beat the drum, they will - and all the little people will come running for the new shiny.  

[SimonTheFrog]

Quite a good point - but BioWare knows how to do their advertising.  When it comes time to beat the drum, they will - and all the little people will come running for the new shiny.  

 

Oh you smug little.... uh devil guy i suppose?!