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[Phaedon]

Ah, so if we just ignore all the things they lied about then they didn't lie at all?

You are specifically using "all the things they lied about" to inflate the scale of stuff they actually did lie about. It's clearly an extremely small minority of things they announced in public.

I guess it doesn't sound as reasonable as "Am I to ignore that out of 100 bits of information, like 4 or 5 were dishonest?"

Nothing against you, mate. But that's not constructive, and it is disingenuous.
 

Even if I accepted your exceptionally fuzzy math, which I don't,

That's not an argument.

No seriously, that was just the old KFT in video form. Maybe I can link you the old docs and you can come up with a statistic you prefer, it's not that complicated a methodology.

 

would you trust your spouse/significant other if s/he only told you the truth 95% of the time but lied through her teeth about important things the rest of the time?

I would assume that people I know lie more than 95% of the time. I am sure you have noticed that sometimes it's pretty transparent. How do you react in that scenario? It's never good, in exceptional cases it's even unacceptable. You could distance yourself from every single human interaction, proclaiming the entirety of humanity as liars, sure. Alternatively, you can accept that nobody is absolutely trustworthy, but that doesn't mean that it's reasonable to consider everyone an untrustworthy liar.

[dreamgazer]

Even the things some people think BioWare "lied" about regarding ME3 weren't really lies.

 

Embellishments? Sure. Overconfident? Absolutely.

 

Outright Lies? Nope, not even "traditional A,B,C ending" (It wasn't one) or that EW "rachni" interview with Walters (which contains more context and discussion) that was altered by the interviewer/editor with brackets.

[wolfhowwl]

Wasn't there some bullshit around ME1 too?

 

I vaguely remember a graphics downgrade and a commercial that hyped up an approach to choice that the series never really met.

[dreamgazer]

Wasn't there some bullshit around ME1 too?

 

I vaguely remember a graphics downgrade and a commercial that hyped up an approach to choice that the series never really met.

 

 

LOL. 

[Phaedon]

Even the things some people think BioWare "lied" about regarding ME3 weren't really lies.

 

Embellishments? Sure. Overconfident? Absolutely.

 

Outright Lies? Nope, not even "traditional A,B,C ending" (It wasn't one) or that EW "rachni" interview with Walters (which contains more context and discussion) that was altered by the interviewer/editor with brackets.

 

 

I don't know. I think the ABC thing might have been an outright lie, considering the stage of development at the time.

 

Ofcourse the rage about that thing was very "after-the-fact", nobody had cared about that video when it was first released. Same goes with the infamous Gamble video. Very few watched it. The original thread had like, 2 comments on it. A lot of people saw it post-release and claimed that they were retroactively misled by it. That doesn't excuse Hudson ofcourse, but some of the criticisms against him were utterly dishonest as well.

 

Wasn't there some bullshit around ME1 too?

 

I vaguely remember a graphics downgrade and a commercial that hyped up an approach to choice that the series never really met.

 

A certain community manager had referred  me to an official ME1 page (that was around 2011/2 mind you) that still claimed that the Mako was fully customizable, as an argument that BW shouldn't inform us about every single little change that affected previous development promises. Or something along those lines.

[Legenlorn]

Read the "leaked" survey and there were things I liked. A lot of things really. But with ME using frostbite and being set for new gen consoles I wonder if we will finally have spaceship fighting elements or, with the scope of the new ME, ground or space battles commanding more than just your team. Also, I wonder why dont we have vehicles with weapons. I understand that this is to force more interactions with guns and powers but does that mean the hostile races have no ground crafts/vehicles?

[MattH]

I like a lot of what i've read, though as some have pointed out the Remnants are a bit too Prothean for my liking, and this 'explore explore explore' thing has me worried. Inquisition did a bad job of it, hopefully ME can learn from it.

 

I'm eagerly awaiting E3.

[DFMelancholine]

I like a lot of what i've read, though as some have pointed out the Remnants are a bit too Prothean for my liking, and this 'explore explore explore' thing has me worried. Inquisition did a bad job of it, hopefully ME can learn from it.

 

I'm eagerly awaiting E3.

 Plot Twist:

What if the Remnants ARE the Protheans?

What if they had found a way to travel to the Andromeda Galaxy on a similar super secret ARK project to survive the Reapers the last time?

it would be a fun way to tie the new game with the old games.

[pdario]

Damn!

 

 Plot Twist:

What if the Remnants ARE the Protheans?

What if they had found a way to travel to the Andromeda Galaxy on a similar super secret ARK project to survive the Reapers the last time?

 

Damn!! You just retarded ME:N by another year, now!!!! They have to think a different story....

[ApocAlypsE007]

One thing is missing for me: how the hell Humans and Krogans got to Andromeda?

[pdario]

Well, how the "Mass Effect Universe" got to Andromeda?? How can you put the Milky Way species in another galaxy? How do you suppose to find ONLY two new species in a new galaxy?

[DFMelancholine]

Damn!

 

 

Damn!! You just retarded ME:N by another year, now!!!! They have to think a different story....

 

Hahaha!Another crackpot theory...

What if that the Remnants are Humans and humans were like super duper advanced and managed to spread their "seed" to the Milky Way galaxy?

But that would delve into "Halo" territory...But still the Ancient Human/Alien theory is always very popular.

[Sleeper_Tyrant]

Plot Twist:
What if the Remnants ARE the Protheans?
What if they had found a way to travel to the Andromeda Galaxy on a similar super secret ARK project to survive the Reapers the last time?
it would be a fun way to tie the new game with the old games.

Or what if this advanced race is still around, but for some reason they got back to the stone age (kinda like Fallout with a post-apocalyptic setting) and are weary of the places they built in ancient times? That could differentiate them from the Protheans.

[ZipZap2000]

Wasn't there some bullshit around ME1 too?

 

I vaguely remember a graphics downgrade and a commercial that hyped up an approach to choice that the series never really met.  

 

Not sure if this is the one you meant but it's a good example of over hype rather than lying anyway some people could look at this and call it lying other people might not.

 

 

Normandy do you copy! We're under attack!

 

Incoming transmission from Noveria.....

 

Request denied.

 

Setting new course for Caleston.

 

Many decisions lie ahead, none of them easy......

[AlanC9]

I remember some time after ME3 released there was a big rage-filled thread about how that trailer absolutely proved the Bio had abandoned their original vision for ME3 -- the guy didn't realize it was a ME1 trailer, and it was the ME1 vision that was abandoned.

[Shermos]

Personally, I hope this leak turns out to be a bs rumor. Going to another galaxy just to avoid having to deal with the endings is a cop out. Call it a safe bet if you want, but it's really just a cop out. I'm sick of AAA game companies taking safe bets. They more than anyone can afford to take risks.

 

I would want to see a game taking place in Andromeda be tied back to the Milky Way, and not leave it behind forever. The possibility for a future game to take place back in the universe we know and love should be left open.

 

I do find the idea that these Remnants could actually be Protheans who managed to escape the MW before the Reapers wiped them out intriguing. But you could have Prothean survivors in a MW game as well. They hid out somewhere like (Javik's people tried to do) and started rebuilding quietly in a previously unknown/unexplored part of the MW, and now the Pathfinder group or whatever has to deal with them, or their legacy.    

 

On the other hand, Andromeda should have an indigenous hyper advanced race. A previous poster correctly noted that Andromeda is about as old as our galaxy.

 

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In related real life news, I recently read an article in New Scientist (iirc) about a paper which suggests our star is a relative late bloomer in the MW. That adds quite a lot of credibility to the argument that any aliens in our galaxy will be much more advanced than we. They will have a potentially several billion head start on us. Scary and awesome at the same time.  

[dreamgazer]

Not sure if this is the one you meant but it's a good example of over hype rather than lying anyway some people could look at this and call it lying other people might not.
 

 
Normandy do you copy! We're under attack!
 
Incoming transmission from Noveria.....
 
Request denied.
 
Setting new course for Caleston.
 
Many decisions lie ahead, none of them easy......

Ooooooh, that's a much better quality version of the one I posted.

*bookmarked*

[ZipZap2000]

Ooooooh, that's a much better quality version of the one I posted.

*bookmarked*

 

Didn't see yours till afterwards or I would have just quoted. 

[CroGamer002]

In related real life news, I recently read an article in New Scientist (iirc) about a paper which suggests our star is a relative late bloomer in the MW. That adds quite a lot of credibility to the argument that any aliens in our galaxy will be much more advanced than we. They will have a potentially several billion head start on us. Scary and awesome at the same time.  

Several billion would be too big of a stretch, but close to a billion years more advanced species would be possible.

 

Which is still a massive diffrence.

[ZipZap2000]

That would be assuming they evolved at a similar rate to us though wouldn't it?

[Heimdall]

That would be assuming they evolved at a similar rate to us though wouldn't it?

And that they evolved at all, or that they even developed advanced technology.

 

The assumption of the inevitability of technological advancement is a human, specifically western European, idea spurred by specific ideologies of progress and improvement.

[mrjack]

In related real life news, I recently read an article in New Scientist (iirc) about a paper which suggests our star is a relative late bloomer in the MW. That adds quite a lot of credibility to the argument that any aliens in our galaxy will be much more advanced than we. They will have a potentially several billion head start on us. Scary and awesome at the same time.  

 

There is evidence that humans suffered a population bottleneck around 70 000 years ago which severely reduced their numbers. This can cause a species to go extinct but if it survives, genes that are advantageous to survival become more widespread among the population due to the much smaller number of breeding partners. this can cause a large jump in evolution over a relatively short period of time. All this is theory but humans developed language around 50 000 years ago (20 000 years is not long in evolutionary terms). 

 

All this is to say that it is entirely possible that we meet a far older species which is more primitive (as we understand it) than humanity or a younger species that is more advanced.

 

 

And that they evolved at all, or that they even developed advanced technology.

 

The assumption of the inevitability of technological advancement is a human, specifically western European, idea spurred by specific ideologies of progress and improvement.

 

While I agree that it is possible for a human culture to eschew a particular technological advancement based on ideological grounds (Japan is a nuclear capable country but has developed no weapons program for example), I think on the whole, it is human nature to constantly innovate and improve our technology. I thinks that's why it is considered inevitable. The scientists, technicians and engineers among us will always push these boundaries. Religious fear-mongering may try and prevent it, but it has never and will never succeed. This absolutely does not have to be the case for an alien species though.

[Han Shot First]

Andromeda might not be populated by species on par technologically with the Reapers or the old Leviathan Empire, because it has had it's own civilization collapse for whatever reason. Assuming the leak is legit, a species being called the Remnant might be an indication that all was not rosy on that side of the universe as well.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Andromeda might not be populated by species on par technologically with the Reapers or the old Leviathan Empire, because it has had it's own civilization collapse for whatever reason. Assuming the leak is legit, a species being called the Remnant might be an indication that all was not rosy on that side of the universe as well.

Or just were harvested by the Reapers as well. 

[Heimdall]

While I agree that it is possible for a human culture to eschew a particular technological advancement based on ideological grounds (Japan is a nuclear capable country but has developed no weapons program for example), I think on the whole, it is human nature to constantly innovate and improve our technology. I thinks that's why it is considered inevitable. The scientists, technicians and engineers among us will always push these boundaries. Religious fear-mongering may try and prevent it, but it has never and will never succeed. This absolutely does not have to be the case for an alien species though.

And I'm saying that the "human nature" of pursuing advancement and innovation as a goal you describe is largely born of progressive ideals spread to the rest of the world by western thinkers in the relatively recent past.

 

It's not about religious fear mongering, its about cultural priorities.