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[Sion1138]

And just to throw this out there for anyone who might read it. If we are all so unanimous about the ending being as sh*thouse as it is, why are so many people wanting the choices to carry over in the first place? 

 

I don't think they know.

 

We're not unanimous though, some people did genuinely like it, others liked it because they didn't like the people who hated it, yet others were indifferent.

 

Now the situation is different because it's a matter of principle to some, even those who hated it, that choices should be respected.

 

I am, or used to be in any case since I it hardly matters anymore, of the mind that it should have been either entirely thrown out or perhaps preferably, reduced in scope such that continuation is possible. Not because it is of bad quality, but a quality which has severely narrowed the spectrum of options the developers might choose from for the new game to essentially just one.

[JeffZero]

I'm ardently Synthesis/Control, and I wouldn't have been opposed to a Destroy canon, either. Guess I'm just easy to please.

Speaking of being easy to please, Andromeda sounds dope, too.

[ZipZap2000]

Same a new galaxy isn't a bad idea by any stretch. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No idea what you're on about. 

 

 

More biotic amps please Bioware and throw in some imitation Geth and a Prothean. 

 

 

 

 

Honestly I think going with destroy canon isn't so bad. Your Shepard can be dead by ME2 anyway and nobody ever complains about that ending being ignored and 'player choices' or ever suggests that because their shep is dead they should have a replacement for the events of ME3.

 

It's as simple as saying that Commander Shepard (In this timeline/universe/version of events) did X your Shepard may have done Y or Z but this particular Shepard didn't. 

 

And just to throw this out there for anyone who might read it. If we are all so unanimous about the ending being as sh*thouse as it is, why are so many people wanting the choices to carry over in the first place? 

Do you live in the Southern Hemisphere? If not, then I guess I understand why you may not. Still surprising though. 

 

I like the endings. 

[ZipZap2000]

Do you live in the Southern Hemisphere? 

 

I like the endings. 

 

Yeah southern hemisphere we miss out again apparently. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah southern hemisphere we miss out again apparently. 

Yeah, people in the Northern Hemisphere don't get to see any of our galactic neighbors without telescopes. Those in the Southern Hemisphere are lucky since they can see two of them with just their eyes. 

[ZipZap2000]

Yeah, people in the Northern Hemisphere don't get to see any of our galactic neighbors without telescopes. Those in the Southern Hemisphere are lucky since they can see two of them with just their eyes. 

 

If you head out bush you can see a lot too much light pollution otherwise. 

[The Elder King]

Indeed it is, and it's difficult to accept the screwed state of it, as though a galaxy is not an assemblage of hundreds of billions of stars but something entirely other that can be screwed by a guy wearing a silly hat.
 

 
I know this won't happen, but if memory serves, people at Bioware were aware or must have been aware that the conclusion of ME3 would anger/disappoint some people, and they went ahead with it anyway.
 
In fact, a lot of people here often argue, that certain fans' inevitable disappointment shouldn't dissuade the team from following their elected path.

They likely knew (at least partially) what wouve follow the endings. The problem (?) is that if seems their plan for the fourth game was a prequel/sidequel, so they wouldn't have to bother developing a game after the endings.

[Paridave]

They likely knew (at least partially) what wouve follow the endings. The problem (?) is that if seems their plan for the fourth game was a prequel/sidequel, so they wouldn't have to bother developing a game after the endings.

I don't think they had much of a plan for continuing with a 4th game which is why they gave ME3 the ending they did.  I suspect they planned on to moving the new 'IP.'  This is what happens when there is no oversight.  Then, once the ending was out there someone with smarts tapped them on their collective shoulders and said "you can't kill off a money making franchise, one that's as popular as Mass Effect." At which point they looked at the ME3 ending and let out a large, collective "oops."  Because of this we may end up in a new galaxy, far, far away because that's the only option they have.

[The Elder King]

I don't think they had much of a plan for continuing with a 4th game which is why they gave ME3 the ending they did. I suspect they planned on to moving the new 'IP.' This is what happens when there is no oversight. Then, once the ending was out there someone with smarts tapped them on their collective shoulders and said "you can't kill off a money making franchise, one that's as popular as Mass Effect." At which point they looked at the ME3 ending and let out a large, collective "oops." Because of this we may end up in a new galaxy, far, far away because that's the only option they have.

They Actually said/suggested that there were going to be other ME games after the third. So either they planned a true sequel (which seems to clash With the endings), or they wanted to make a prequel/sidequel. Or a new galaxy setting.

[Torgette]

They Actually said/suggested that there were going to be other ME games after the third. So either they planned a true sequel (which seems to clash With the endings), or they wanted to make a prequel/sidequel. Or a new galaxy setting.

 

I recall they talked to fans about the idea of a Mass Effect game not about reapers or Shepard and it was met with positive reactions. I think the only thing that backfired about Shepard's trilogy going out with a bang was that it didn't feel as fleshed out as fans wanted or hoped. I'm still as excited to go to Andromeda and see new vistas and interact with characters now as I was when they first talked about making another game beyond ME3.

[Drone223]

Canon ending! Which will ****** off a lot of people. Which they promised they wouldn't do. Although based on past experiences, I would take their promises with a grain of salt.

 

Trying to carry over all three choices... which is impossible to do in a not half-assed way.
 

People are already pissed off by the very idea of moving to another galaxy and never returning since its only going to result in wasted potential for the franchise. People have invested too much into the setting and don't want to see it thrown away forever because it clearly has more to offer. That's not even counting all the contrived writing and hand waving involved in moving to another galaxy.

 

Choices can easily can easily be handles with a DA: keep like app so places can make import their choices into the next game (mainly ones such as the genophage and geth). Its also worth noting that Bioware did make Udina being the human councilor canon in the retribution novel so its not far fetched for them to make an ending choice canon.

[The Elder King]

People are already pissed off by the very idea of moving to another galaxy and never returning since its only going to result in wasted potential for the franchise. People have invested too much into the setting and don't want to see it thrown away forever because it clearly has more to offer. That's not even counting all the contrived writing and hand waving involved in moving to another galaxy.
 
Choices can easily can easily be handles with a DA: keep like app so places can make import their choices into the next game (mainly ones such as the genophage and geth). Its also worth noting that Bioware did make Udina being the human councilor canon in the retribution novel so its not far fetched for them to make an ending choice canon.

Some people. We don't know how the fanbase will be divided, and I think a lot depends ok How the change will be executed.
The councilor's choices wasn't exactly retconnetted, and it's not on the same level of the endings. I'm not saying Bioware might not choose a canon ending, but the two choices aren't on the same level.

[Drone223]

Some people. We don't know how the fanbase will be divided, and I think a lot depends ok How the change will be executed.
The councilor's choices wasn't exactly retconnetted, and it's not on the same level of the endings. I'm not saying Bioware might not choose a canon ending, but the two choices aren't on the same level.

Given the details on the leak (if it turns out to be true) its execution doesn't look promising and the councilor choice doesn't change the fact it was made canon.

[The Elder King]

Given the details on the leak (if it turns out to be true) its execution doesn't look promising and the councilor choice doesn't change the fact it was made canon.

We still don't know the execution. We don't know how We went to Andromeda.
Again, it's still not comparable to make an ending canon.

[Vazgen]

Krogans seem to be officially confirmed. I guess E3 trailer did that as well, but it was quite some time ago and I don't remember other confirmations about them.

 

Jos/Josh/Jose/Joseph ‏@Sjosz

Finished prepping for another meeting just in time to show up to a presentation showing off awesome cinematic stuff. #space

 

Ian S. Frazier ‏@tibermoon

Violence, Krogan, and rock'n'roll. #AwYeah

 

[Steppenwolf]

People are already pissed off by the very idea of moving to another galaxy and never returning since its only going to result in wasted potential for the franchise. People have invested too much into the setting and don't want to see it thrown away forever because it clearly has more to offer. That's not even counting all the contrived writing and hand waving involved in moving to another galaxy.

That's how you feel, but plenty of people don't agree. And how exactly could they continue in the Milky Way without contrived writing and hand waving? They would have to minimize the impact of each ending so they would be irrelevant, the Geth, Krogan and Quarians would have to be made virtually non-existent to account for their potential fates, etc. It's nonsense.
 

Choices can easily can easily be handles with a DA: keep like app so places can make import their choices into the next game (mainly ones such as the genophage and geth).

How would a Keep solve anything? They would still have to design the game around massively divergent choices.

[Drone223]

That's how you feel, but plenty of people don't agree. And how exactly could they continue in the Milky Way without contrived writing and hand waving? They would have to minimize the impact of each ending so they would be irrelevant, the Geth, Krogan and Quarians would have to be made virtually non-existent to account for their potential fates, etc. It's nonsense.
 

Yet its okay to use hand waving and contrived writing to move to another galaxy? The issue's of the ending are going to catch up to Bioware sooner or later they can't keep avoiding them forever. Its much better to pick a canon ending and go forward with it since they can work with whats already there, it doesn't relay on contrived writing and hand waving and its a lot easier and more believable to explain how the galaxy rebuilt itself. Since the galaxy is largely unexplored krogan, geth and quarians don't need to play a major role in future titles set in the MW. Importing choices from a keep like app can be used in side quest that can vary based on what happened to them.

[Steppenwolf]

Yet its okay to use hand waving and contrived writing to move to another galaxy? The issue's of the ending are going to catch up to Bioware sooner or later they can't keep avoiding them forever. Its much better to pick a canon ending and go forward with it since they can work with whats already there, it doesn't relay on contrived writing and hand waving and its a lot easier and more believable to explain how the galaxy rebuilt itself. Since the galaxy is largely unexplored krogan, geth and quarians don't need to play a major role in future titles set in the MW.

So ignore everyone's choices in the game series that was built on giving players choices? How is that better than going to the Andromeda galaxy? Why is the Milky Way so important that they have to go against the central tenant of the franchise to stay here? Because so much of it is unexplored? Who cares? We went to the moon before we'd explored more than 1% of the oceans.

Importing choices from a keep like app can be used in side quest that can vary based on what happened to them.

Yeah, that is entirely irrelevant. Nothing of any significance would be accounted for in your scenario where they just pick a canon galaxy-state and throw away player's choices. And why even allow us to carry over any choices if our most important choices are disregarded?
"Oh, you chose Control? Well too bad, Synthesis is canon now. And it says here you wiped out the Geth to save the Quarians, but they're both alive and well in the canon. But I see here that you set Conrad Verner on the right path. You'll get a sidequest with him in ME4! Good for you!"
It's nonsense.

[Nitrocuban]

The leak got mostly positive responses everywhere, it is just parts of BSN again spreading bitterness and whining.
I think the bigger part of the fanbase is ok with Andromeda and is looking forward to a ME4 as described in the leak.

[The Arbiter]

I'm ardently Synthesis/Control, and I wouldn't have been opposed to a Destroy canon, either. Guess I'm just easy to please.

Speaking of being easy to please, Andromeda sounds dope, too.

I have no problem with Andromeda so long as it has nothing to do with MASS EFFECT 3. I don't want an "ARK FOR THE SAKE OF MOVING AWAY FROM ME3" it will still be connected to 3 because they are trying to move away from it and junk the Milkyway. If Mass Effect 4 starts within the Milkyway FRESH AND NEW and moving to Andromeda it will be 100% fine for me just not the ark because that will indirectly be considered as a sequel which will be convoluted.

 

They can also start immediately inside Andromeda and making the Milkyway as a "home base" of some sort which has no connection to ME3 at all in anyway in any manner.

[Drone223]

So ignore everyone's choices in the game series that was built on giving players choices? How is that better than going to the Andromeda galaxy? Why is the Milky Way so important that they have to go against the central tenant of the franchise to stay here? Because so much of it is unexplored? Who cares? We went to the moon before we'd explored more than 1% of the oceans.

By leaving MW and never returning your already making what Shepard did in the trilogy pointless since it defeats the purpose of saving the MW in the first place, Bioware may as well start a new IP instead. The MW still has a lot more to offer in terms of lore and story, leaving the galaxy is just unnecessary and it won't make the issue's of the ending go away.

 

 

Yeah, that is entirely irrelevant. Nothing of any significance would be accounted for in your scenario where they just pick a canon galaxy-state and throw away player's choices. And why even allow us to carry over any choices if our most important choices are disregarded?

Most choices in the trilogy only affect a few individuals (not the entire galaxy) and have been resolved. The next game is obviously going to reference events to the trilogy in some degree. So Its not far fetched that some of them may be integrated into side quests so having the genophage or the geth brought up in one of them is a possibility.

[Han Shot First]

A Milky Way sequel based on Destroy, or that at least allows Destroy to be imported, would be my preference. I'd love to see another game set at least partially in Council space, with the Reapers completely out of the way for new villains to enter the picture.

 

Having said that, I think setting the next game in Andromeda also has lots of potential for interesting stories to be told. 

[Guanxii]

I hope BioWare can figure out how to give a vanguard squadmate Biotic Charge this time.

 

Annihilation Field for an Adept squadmate would be perfect because you could just have them stand in the middle of the room and they would always be useful even if they're on the floor bleeding out.

[Nitrocuban]

Squadmates that can actually use Biotic Charge and Melee would be great, yes.