An ark getting to Andromeda would just need to replicate the Reapers means of travelling without drive discharge or refueling. The technology already exists in the Mass Effect lore, it's just not something the Council races have as of yet.
Having the Council races reverse engineer that capability would be no more implausible than having the Turians develop Thanix weapons from Sovereign's debris, or humanity mastering FTL from 50,000 year old ruins.
Iv'e been saying that for a while now. The citadel is a giant mass relay, the reapers travel both ways so there is clearly another one somewhere and we never did see the reapers take the citadel. Who's to say we didn't use it?
Yeah, the other end is either in Dark Space or potentially even in another galaxy. Most likely one of the dwarf galaxies since Reapers got to the Milky Way with conventional FTL in about three years. In fact, the time it would take them to go from the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy to the Milky Way Galaxy comes to being 2.2831 years, or about two years and three months. That is nearly identical to the timeline in the Mass Effect series from the defeat of Sovereign to the incident with the Alpha Relay.
Eh, I'm fine with waiting until we get an official explanation of how the intergalactic travel will happen. Right now, this thread is pretty much just an exercise in lots of "Waltersian Speculations."
If it's a wormhole, then cool, I hope they write the story well enough to sell me on it. If it's something other than that, then cool, I hope they write the story well enough to sell me on it.
Doesn't have to be a wormhole, you know. Why not (as a few have mentioned) the Citadel itself? According to ME1, it's also a huge mass relay that leads directly to some point in dark space where the Reapers usually hibernate. Given that Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away, then the dark space relay that the Citadel connects to could be one or two million light years away. The Citadel relay's got to connect to an opposing relay somewhere, right?
Perhaps it connects to one in dark space that is part of a hub of other dark space relays which connect to other galaxies millions of light years away? That would assume that Reapers have gone to other galaxies, though, but I might be able to buy that story.
It's also interesting to note that so many people here are quibbling about how believable a plot point a wormhole or some other "space magic" would be, yet everyone who has played the game seems totally fine with overlooking the fact that (just like most science fiction stories), the Mass Effect universe totally ignores the effects of time dilation. Special relativity tells us that by the time Shepard and crew had used their FTL drives and Mass Relays to zap back to Earth, the actual "battle for Earth" would've been over for decades, if not centuries.
If we can overlook that, we should be able to overlook/accept a newly discovered wormhole or some such other space magic. My money's on using the Citadel relay to dark space, though.
It's fun to debate this but I hope no one is taking it too seriously just yet. So far, we have no idea what the story is or how they set it up. We just have rumors from a supposed survey whose authenticity is in question.
And, we have "lots of speculations."
Somewhere, Mac Walters is reading this thread in a dark room, chugging a Molsen's, smiling with pride as a "speculative" tear runs down his cheek.
Edited to add: Great minds think alike. I was typing this at the same time ZipZap and Hanako were posting pretty much the same things. 
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Does this journey to Andromeda have to be related to the Reaper-threat at all?
"We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying 'well, they'll have to pick a canon ending'. No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda."--Chris Priestly
This journey to Andromeda could be before ME1 or ME2 or ME3 perhaps? Maybe? Is that what he was saying?
I do believe Mr. Priestly has inside knowledge, so I quoted him.
Does this journey to Andromeda have to be related to the Reaper-threat at all?
"We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying 'well, they'll have to pick a canon ending'. No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda."--Chris Priestly
This journey to Andromeda could be before ME1 or ME2 or ME3 perhaps? Maybe? Is that what he was saying?
I do believe Mr. Priestly has inside knowledge, so I quoted him.
SO THIS CONFIRMS MY RESTART FRANCHISE THEORY???? hell yes!
Does this journey to Andromeda have to be related to the Reaper-threat at all?
"We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying 'well, they'll have to pick a canon ending'. No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda."--Chris Priestly
This journey to Andromeda could be before ME1 or ME2 or ME3 perhaps? Maybe? Is that what he was saying?
I do believe Mr. Priestly has inside knowledge, so I quoted him.
The ME series actually doesn't ignore relativity - the mass effect just renders it irrelevant. Here is how it works:Eh, I'm fine with waiting until we get an official explanation of how the intergalactic travel will happen. Right now, this thread is pretty much just an exercise in lots of "Waltersian Speculations."
If it's a wormhole, then cool, I hope they write the story well enough to sell me on it. If it's something other than that, then cool, I hope they write the story well enough to sell me on it.
Doesn't have to be a wormhole, you know. Why not (as a few have mentioned) the Citadel itself? According to ME1, it's also a huge mass relay that leads directly to some point in dark space where the Reapers usually hibernate. Given that Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away, then the dark space relay that the Citadel connects to could be one or two million light years away. The Citadel relay's got to connect to an opposing relay somewhere, right?
Perhaps it connects to one in dark space that is part of a hub of other dark space relays which connect to other galaxies millions of light years away? That would assume that Reapers have gone to other galaxies, though, but I might be able to buy that story.
It's also interesting to note that so many people here are quibbling about how believable a plot point a wormhole or some other "space magic" would be, yet everyone who has played the game seems totally fine with overlooking the fact that (just like most science fiction stories), the Mass Effect universe totally ignores the effects of time dilation. Special relativity tells us that by the time Shepard and crew had used their FTL drives and Mass Relays to zap back to Earth, the actual "battle for Earth" would've been over for decades, if not centuries.
If we can overlook that, we should be able to overlook/accept a newly discovered wormhole or some such other space magic. My money's on using the Citadel relay to dark space, though.
It's fun to debate this but I hope no one is taking it too seriously just yet. So far, we have no idea what the story is or how they set it up. We just have rumors from a supposed survey whose authenticity is in question.
And, we have "lots of speculations."
Somewhere, Mac Walters is reading this thread in a dark room, chugging a Molsen's, smiling with pride as a "speculative" tear runs down his cheek.
Edited to add: Great minds think alike. I was typing this at the same time ZipZap and Hanako were posting pretty much the same things.
All this obsession with the solidarity of lore is going to evaporate in five minutes when the game finally launches and discussion turns to criticism with prologue brevity, feelings of being rushed into the story, confusion over character rationale and complaints that it doesn't feel like Mass Effect.
And I'll miss these simpler days of bickering, so I guess I should shut up and revel in it while it lasts.
Isn't the point of sci-fi/fantasy settings is making the impossible possible? I mean a lot of Mass Effect 1's lore is flat-out impossible, it was that they bothered to mix it so well with familiar things that made that first game so interesting. I think so long as the trip to Andromeda is shown as an impressive "fantastic" monumental feat, i'm cool with it, even if it goes all doctor who on us with space magic.
All this obsession with the solidarity of lore is going to evaporate in five minutes when the game finally launches and discussion turns to criticism with prologue brevity, feelings of being rushed into the story, confusion over character rationale and complaints that it doesn't feel like Mass Effect.
And I'll miss these simpler days of bickering, so I guess I should shut up and revel in it while it lasts.
My guess: MEN will not call Mass Effect something. So, when you say that not feel like Mass Effect, its because it's not Mass Effect, and your critism will evaporate in five minutes too.
A shepard after my own heart, that damned kid hasn't outlived *its* beating, not by a longshot.
All this obsession with the solidarity of lore is going to evaporate in five minutes when the game finally launches and discussion turns to criticism with prologue brevity, feelings of being rushed into the story, confusion over character rationale and complaints that it doesn't feel like Mass Effect.
And I'll miss these simpler days of bickering, so I guess I should shut up and revel in it while it lasts.
it won't go down that way if we restart the franchise because it's a new story. But the "RESPECT MY CHOICE" "Sequel" fans would have a big problem... me? yeah it's painful to restart the franchise but what can Bioware do? what can you do?
it won't go down that way if we restart the franchise because it's a new story. But the "RESPECT MY CHOICE" "Sequel" fans would have a big problem... me? yeah it's painful to restart the franchise but what can Bioware do? what can you do?
Coma in London 
Coma in London
I was born in London.... *puts on glasses
My guess: MEN will not call Mass Effect something. So, when you say that not feel like Mass Effect, its because it's not Mass Effect, and your critism will evaporate in five minutes too.
They'll never take Mass Effect out of the name. That's a brand name.
Or do you mean they'll have a replacement for Mass Effect technology in the game, thus making the name on the box ironic?
They'll never take Mass Effect out of the name. That's a brand name.
Or do you mean they'll have a replacement for Mass Effect technology in the game, thus making the name on the box ironic?
Does this journey to Andromeda have to be related to the Reaper-threat at all?
"We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying 'well, they'll have to pick a canon ending'. No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda."--Chris Priestly
This journey to Andromeda could be before ME1 or ME2 or ME3 perhaps? Maybe? Is that what he was saying?
I do believe Mr. Priestly has inside knowledge, so I quoted him.
Chris Priestly couldn't say "Good morning" without lying twice.
Chris Priestly couldn't say "Good morning" without lying twice.
I don't see how that statement could be a lie, though. All he did was confirm that we don't know as much as people here act like we do.
I don't see how that statement could be a lie, though. All he did was confirm that we don't know as much as people here act like we do.
I don't see how that statement could be a lie, though. All he did was confirm that we don't know as much as people here act like we do.
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Ignore everything Priestly ever said. He routinely lied about pretty much everything. And the next game couldn't be none of those things. If it isn't set before, after or concurrent with the Shepard trilogy then it wouldn't exist.
Okay. I did not know this.
He was a recreational liar. He said the Inquisition leak was entirely false. Nothing he ever said can be trusted.
And again, if ME4 isn't set before, during or after the Shepard trilogy then it cannot exist. He was just spewing nonsense.
He also said Kasumi didn't exist.
The ME series actually doesn't ignore relativity - the mass effect just renders it irrelevant. Here is how it works:
In mass effect, the speed of light in a vacuum is relative instead of constant within mass effect fields. Within a mass effect field, the masses of particles are lowered and the speed of light is raised relative to the speed of light in a vacuum. Now, the particles can accelerate to a speed faster than the speed of light in a vacuum, but they are still travelling only a tiny fraction of the new speed of light within the mass effect field.
If the travelers within a mass effect field were to accelerate to a significant fraction of the NEW, elevated speed of light - then relativistic effects such as time dilation and length contraction would again predominate. But that doesn't happen, as the speed is so incredibly massive to begin with.
It's actually ingenious. It basically uses the equations of relativity exactly as they are, but alters the value of c accordingly. You can even plug values in yourself to see how it would change things.
Well I guess we just need to discover the magic element that allows us to reduce our mass proportionally.
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The "mass effect" was just another word for dark energy. At least it was for Hudson. I doubt any of that is going to go away. And it's the force that accelerates the expansion of the universe itself (in the ME setting). It's capable of more amazing things than we've seen in the series so far. It's just that we don't have the means to utilize like that (and I've said before that I don't think the Reapers did either).
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