35 réponses à ce sujet

[theskymoves]

No. 

[Lavaeolus]

You do not marry Alistair until after the Blight is defeated, so if he dies all you have is a really weak claim and the throne just falls to Anora.

 

But, hey, you can always leave Alistair unhardened and marry him. Just hope Eamon doesn't muscle in on your rulings.

[caradoc2000]

Game of Thrones: this way ->

[Darkly Tranquil]

No. 

 

I imagined you saying it Sten style.

[gottaloveme]

If you marry Alistair and ask for a boon and take title and riches you then get to be:

 

Queen of Ferelden

Hero of Ferelden

Warden Commander of Ferelden (and as such Arlessa of Amaranthine (but only while you're commander))

Teyrna of Gwaren

 

This is already more than enough when being presented/announced at elegant parties.

[dragonflight288]

Or if you're a male Cousland, you can marry Anora, become Teyrn of Gwaren, and Arl of Amaranthine. 

[sylvanaerie]

Or if you're a male Cousland, you can marry Anora, become Teyrn of Gwaren, and Arl of Amaranthine. 

Still don't rule by yourself and Anora wears the pants in that relationship.

[dragonflight288]

Still don't rule by yourself and Anora wears the pants in that relationship.

 

[sylvanaerie]

  well it's true.

Still, male Cousland marries Anora, becomes Teryn of Gwaren was a particularly favorite scenario of mine.  I like to think, while they didn't have much passion in the marriage (he was committed to the redhaired bard), they at least respected--and maybe developed some affection for--one another.

[dragonflight288]

  well it's true.

Still, male Cousland marries Anora, becomes Teryn of Gwaren was a particularly favorite scenario of mine.  I like to think, while they didn't have much passion in the marriage (he was committed to the redhaired bard), they at least respected--and maybe developed some affection for--one another.

 

She does smile at his return in an Awakening epilogue slide.

[sylvanaerie]

She does smile at his return in an Awakening epilogue slide.

 

She does indeed, even though my boy burned Amaranthine to the ground.  (He was a bit of a ruthless sort who felt the city was too far gone to save).  Only PC I was able to do it on, though initially I had intended only to see the different scenario and redo, I kept it.  It just felt right for Gawain's run.

[gottaloveme]

I couldn't do anything but save Amaranthine. Saving the keep was bugged. Although, watching Amaranthine burn was heart wrenching.

[mousestalker]

i could care less..

Hmmm.

[Xandurpein]

If being the Queen means that you're automatically next in line to rule the country, then Alistair wouldn't have a chance to become king at the Landsmeet. Of course you can always postulate that your Queen whispers in Zevhran's ear that Alistair has outlived his uses, after the Archdemon is dead and you're then married. After which your queen convinces the Landsmeet that she should be the new Queen when the King tragically died from food poison or something.

This is of course pure fanfiction, but perhaps not completely out of character for a Cousland. Throughout Ferelden's history the Couslands seems to have often been quite ready to try and dethrone the Theirin's whenever they had a chance.

[CrazyGobstopper]

Being Queen would not typically mean that you are automatically in line to rule the country. Anora was only able to retain her position until the Landsmeet due to her personal popularity and Loghain's command of the armies. Cailan, after all, was the King Regnant and Anora was his Queen Consort. Consorts would not normally be legally able to become Regnants themselve; she should have become a Queen Dowager instead. That she succeeded him post-Ostagar is an oddity that would not typically happen in a society such as Fereldan, because the throne should have fallen to Cailan's next closest male relative instead. But, of course, Loghain barnstormed his way back to Denerim and declared Anora to be the reigning monarch when he announced that he was now her regent. He usurped the throne.

 

Anora only becomes a Queen Regnant herself if the Landsmeet gives her their support. She remains a Queen Consort if Alistair ascends to the throne, keeping a more accurate line of succession in place. ("More accurate" rather than "correct," since he was, after all, a bastard and typically would not be able to inherit in a medieval society like Fereldan without political backing - which, of course, can be given in the game.)

[Lavaeolus]

That she succeeded him post-Ostagar is an oddity that would not typically happen in a society such as Fereldan, because the throne should have fallen to Cailan's next closest male relative instead.

Does Ferelden do the male-first thing? I mean, the default assumption is yes, because that's what happened back in the day, but it's not like Dragon Age tries to hide its modern sensibilities. Wouldn't be surprised if they just had a simple "first-born" lineage thing.

 

Hell, wouldn't be surprised if the Landsmeet just lined up all the people who seemed good for the throne and choose one, regardless of actual age.

[CrazyGobstopper]

That's a fair point. I made an assumption that I should not have made, considering the world so far has had few issues with females in positions of authority.

 

Ignoring Anora (for her forced assumption of the throne...) and Alistair (for being a bastard...), who should have been Cailan's successor anyway? I'm sure that's a question that's been addressed at some point on the BSN forums in the past, but I've only dabbled here in the past. So far as I think we know (but could easily be missing something, since I'm certainly not a lore expert), the Guerrin family would be the closest to the Theirin line, since Rowan's marriage into the Theirin line would have made the Guerrins royalty. Should Arl Eamon have succeeded Cailan (or perhaps Teagan, if Eamon were to decline)? On the other hand, considering the Landsmeet's influence, I could also see how the assembled arls, arlessas, and banns would look to one of the last two remaining teyrns in the land... and choose the only one born a noble, Teryn Bryce Cousland of Highever.

 

Edited to clarify: The last sentence was intended as a theroetical construct independent of the specific circumstances of the specific scenarios presented in DAO (i.e., Howe's betrayal of the Couslands and Loghain's decision at Ostagar).

Modifié par CrazyGobstopper, 31 juillet 2014 - 12:01 .

[Lavaeolus]

Anora and Alistair are the strongest contenders, because all the other potential heirs are distant relatives. Maric had no brothers, Moira had none, and an Orlesian occupation came along and messed things up. Eamon mentions he might have a claim, but it's really not strong. I guess I'd go for him claim-wise, and he's popular enough to have a shot. I don't know if Bryce really has a good claim, but he is well-respected and considered fair and wise, so I'd say a lot of attention would be on him. I don't know if he'd actually accept, however.

 

But, really, Anora's the de facto queen, ruling the land for all these years and most of the nobles know it. The Landsmeet is really called because of Loghain, because he is the worst regent ever (though many nobles are probably worrying about their commoner queen). With the "revealing" of Alistair's parentage, he becomes the only other person with any direct claim; helped by Theirins being part of Ferelden's cultural identity and Ferelden only relatively recently coming out of a foreign occupation.

[Xandurpein]

Cailan didn't have a legitimate succesor. That's more or less the whole reason there's something to discuss at the Landsmeet. Alistair is not in kine for the throne since Maric didn't officially aknowledge him and Anora is just the Queen consort. So neither of them are in line for succession. And when there is no legitimate successor, then things tended to get very messy.

Arl Eamon's bid is essentially to make the Landsmeet vote to confer Alistair the right as legal successor to Maric. It's not unheard of in the real world, for a lord to make his bastard son legitimate heir, if he has no other legitimate heirs. The most famous example is William the Conqueror. But unless the king/lord decreed that his bastard was officially an heir, the bastard had no rights at all in the sucession.

Anora's bid is certainly a power grab, but so is anybody else's as there's no successor to Cailan. That's why it was so important for kings to have a legitimate heir. Without one, the country was always one heartbeat away from civil war. That's also why it makes perfect sense for Cailan to consider divorcing Anora ifit's true that she can't have children. Or for Alistair to name Anora heir, to ensure that the succession is clear if he dies. The fact that they may have been in open conflict didn't change that.

[gottaloveme]

Primogeniture doesn't seem to factor much in Ferelden's laws of inheritance. Alfstanna took over her bann instead of her brother. And if you talk to Dairren - he will tell you that (HNF) you are thought of to take the teyrnir rather than Fergus. (Of course that also goes for HNM).

 

I think it's probably a mix of both ability and blood - not gender.

[MKDAWUSS]

The thing I've wondered is, why did Loghain need to become *regent*? Regents are for when King-Junior-sumbitch is developmentally incapable of running the country. Anora didn't fit that bill.

[King Dragonlord]

I can believe that Anora "wears the pants" if its her and Alistair (particularly unhardened Alistair) but if its her and the Male Cousland, I don't think so. To unite the armies, and stand against Loghain both in debate and in battle at the Landsmeet shows the fierceness and the determination of the Warden. Especially in the scenario where he wins the Landsmeet in spite of her betrayal (my personal favorite, I also like to use that opportunity to tell her what I think of her, ours is a slap slap kiss kiss romance when I go for it). And if he asks for the Title and Riches, he has the one thing she does not, a land of his own (she's really stupid to give that option to her King Consort if she wants to hold him in check).  

 

The alliance he forges and the favor he earns among nobles (along with his coercion because I always max that out) and his popularity among commoners as the new Hero of Fereldan means she's not just going to just get what she wants and roll over him like she did with Cailan. She's going to have to compromise with him every step of the way. She may not like that but she should appreciate how much more sensible and grounded he is than Cailan. He's seen real war and doesn't have the same romantic notions about it.

[Mike3207]

The thing I've wondered is, why did Loghain need to become *regent*? Regents are for when King-Junior-sumbitch is developmentally incapable of running the country. Anora didn't fit that bill.

Keep in mind, he became Regent around the time that Anora heard of Cailan's death. I think it's entirely reasonable she asked her father to serve as Regent while she was dealing with her husband's death-i.e grieving. I think the whole "Loghain seized power" is propaganda from Eamon and Teagan.