^Yep, the core of a good supes story is "Why does he bother being a hero? When he could rule as a living god?". It's not about who he can or can't beat up. He'd never pretend to be a god, which is why this trailer is not impressing me so far. It's not a new question, it's been asked an answered.
Because he's a goody-goody boy scout good guy?
I like my characters to be human and sometimes fall to temptation. Do things they regret.
Ya know, act like humans and not perfect.
Superman is a meh character.
But granted, there are a lot worse, like the Hulk.
You say "why you talk about slugging it out?" I am taking about it because that's what most fans seem to talk about. X vs. Y.
Who would win?
I agree that cheapens the character, since there are far more important thing to a character then power, and I generally find the most interesting characters to be weaker. But power is a part of the character, and in case of Superman, it restricts him in waht kind of stories cna be told about him.
So no, I'm staying right here.
Worse versions of Superman exist.
Unless for some reason you like Sentry. The biggest Gary Sue in the Marvel Universe.
The X vs. Y arguments are the lowest of the low power level discussions that nobody comes out of looking good. So not an excuse, it also is an answer to a question I didn't ask.
76 years of Superman says otherwise. He wouldn't still be around if there wasn't some variety in the story telling.
Because he's a goody-goody boy scout good guy?
I like my characters to be human and sometimes fall to temptation. Do things they regret.
So is Shazam (Moreso than Superman honestly) but I don't see you dissing him.
Read any of the titles I mentioned and you will get exactly what you say you like in characters with Superman I guarantee it.
meh Sentery can suck my.. yah know.
Superman is ok ive never been a huge fan. as a kid i prefered Captain marvel (Shazam.)
and Spiderman.
anyhoo.
Is it me or is Ben kindof a Better Bruce Wayne than Matt Murdoc?
meh Sentery can suck my.. yah know.
Superman is ok ive never been a huge fan. as a kid i prefered Captain marvel (Shazam.)
and Spiderman.
anyhoo.
Is it me or is Ben kindof a Better Bruce Wayne than Matt Murdoc?
Sentry is the goddamn worst.
I think so too. I'm on board for the Batfleck, most assuredly.
Not enough seen of Ben Affleck yet to pass any judgement. He looks cool in the non-armor costume, but that this movie would look cool was never in doubt. I need to see and hear him as Bruce Wayne, and more Batman as well.
i never worked out why thay needed sentery in the first place. thay already had Hyperion and Gladiator as faux Superman. but meh.
anyhoo
Yeh i was one of the lets wait and see how Batfleck works out crowd. but as for Luthor. im still out on that one.
Some more great Superman moments:
yeah Supes has his moments especialy when his Ethics his challanged or he gets to let rip.
Because he's a goody-goody boy scout good guy?
I like my characters to be human and sometimes fall to temptation. Do things they regret.
Ya know, act like humans and not perfect.
This can also be seen in the Injustice: Gods Among Us comics.
Superman in that series is a complete goddamn maniac.
This happens almost immediately after Superman murders Green Arrow in front of his parents (Both of them. The Kents and the Jor-El Hologram)
What I don't get is how Batman can even fight Superman in this new movie setting.
In nearly every other encounter, Batman gets the upper hand with Kryptonite hi-jinx. But in this world? It is Kryptonian atmosphere that is the only thing that can weaken him.
What's Batman going to do? Compress some gas and say to Superman "hey, take a hit of this before we start fighting..."
I'm still irritated at the first Superman movie, where Lois Lane killed more Kryptonians than Superman did. I mean... think about that for a second.
We need a comic, TV series, or movie where Batman beats Superman by tricking him into smoking some Kryptonite laced weed tbh.
Don't think this has been posted upthread, and it seems relevant to the topic, so might as well leave it here:
What I don't get is how Batman can even fight Superman in this new movie setting.
In nearly every other encounter, Batman gets the upper hand with Kryptonite hi-jinx. But in this world? It is Kryptonian atmosphere that is the only thing that can weaken him.
What's Batman going to do? Compress some gas and say to Superman "hey, take a hit of this before we start fighting..."
I'm still irritated at the first Superman movie, where Lois Lane killed more Kryptonians than Superman did. I mean... think about that for a second.
except supes holds power in reserve like a battery
We need a comic, TV series, or movie where Batman beats Superman by tricking him into smoking some Kryptonite laced weed tbh.
Well earlier this year, DC had batman beat superman by spitting Kryptonite gum into his face...
Well earlier this year, DC had batman beat superman by spitting Kryptonite gum into his face...
Not good enough.
We need Batman and Superman getting high on Kryponite MJ and going to White Castle.
The X vs. Y arguments are the lowest of the low power level discussions that nobody comes out of looking good. So not an excuse, it also is an answer to a question I didn't ask.
You didn't ask ,but it had to be said anyway.
The VS debates are like a trainwreck. Nothing more than a battleground for fanboys, eager to see validation of their chosen hero or side
76 years of Superman says otherwise. He wouldn't still be around if there wasn't some variety in the story telling.
I might have found that a convincing argument...if it weren't for the fact that so many crap things are popular. Beiber. Twilight.
Also, you know the old saying - there's a rube born every minute.
So is Shazam (Moreso than Superman honestly) but I don't see you dissing him.
That's because Shazam barely registers in my thoughts.
He's not as known to me, nor as popular as Superman
I might have found that a convincing argument...if it weren't for the fact that so many crap things are popular. Beiber. Twilight.
Also, you know the old saying - there's a rube born every minute.
Bieber Fever lasted 2 years at most and Twilight got steamrolled and replaced with Hunger Games so fast it made everyones head spin.
Comparing that to 76 years of Comics, Movies, TV Shows, Animated Series, Toys, and so much more is far different.
Bieber and Twilight are irrelevant now. It's almost retro to bring them up. In fact, I'm certain they'll be completely forgotten about in 2-3 more years.
Superman has endured. So there has to be something that endearing and registers to all those generations of people. Otherwise Superman would've faded away like 80% of Rob Liefelds characters.
He's not perfect and he knows it, that's why he's never imposed his rule on humanity. There are good stories where he's tried and failed. JLA's "Justice Lords". Elseworlds "Red Son". As cynical as I am I like him exactly because he's unwavering in his determination to do the right thing. Elseworlds "Kingdom Come" showed exactly why you shouldn't deconstruct and tear down your heroes - even when all the "cool kids" are doing it.
Meh. I consider the "Evil doplleganger" schitck is trite, boring and cringe-worthy.
Also, Superman didn't fail, it's was ALTERNATE superman, so it's not really him that failed.
Characters that display human vulnerabilities, lapses of judgment and sometimes "crazy" behavior appeal more to me.
For those who watched Neon Genesis Evangelion, they will know of the scene where Shinji literally masturbates in the hospital over Asukas comatose body, while saying to himself how frakked up it is. The scene is disturbing, but feels very...real for the lack of a better word. Oh, I still consider NGE kinda crappy, but it was moments like those make a character really complete IMHO.
What I don't get is how Batman can even fight Superman in this new movie setting.
In nearly every other encounter, Batman gets the upper hand with Kryptonite hi-jinx. But in this world? It is Kryptonian atmosphere that is the only thing that can weaken him.
What's Batman going to do? Compress some gas and say to Superman "hey, take a hit of this before we start fighting..."
What makes you think this movie Superman is the same as Silver Age Superman or whatever?
Supermans own power was fluctuating WILDLY in comics for decades.
Could be that the movie Sups is just a lot weaker - I'd actually prefer that. No planet pushing or time-reversing.
Bieber Fever lasted 2 years at most and Twilight got steamrolled and replaced with Hunger Games so fast it made everyones head spin.
Comparing that to 76 years of Comics, Movies, TV Shows, Animated Series, Toys, and so much more is far different.
Bieber and Twilight are irrelevant now. It's almost retro to bring them up. In fact, I'm certain they'll be completely forgotten about in 2-3 more years.
Superman has endured. So there has to be something that endearing and registers to all those generations of people. Otherwise Superman would've faded away like 80% of Rob Liefelds characters.
He was the first god-like superheo who gained a lot of fame and exposure.
That cemented his position.
Had the been the third or fourth, he would have been forgotten.
Fame is in big part being in the right place at the right time. And once something becomes a big name, it draws people in by the virtue of a known name and sheer numbers. Exposure.
But hey, comic sales have been dropping over the years, and more money is made trough merchandise than actual comics these days.
Meh. I consider the "Evil doplleganger" schitck is trite, boring and cringe-worthy.
Also, Superman didn't fail, it's was ALTERNATE superman, so it's not really him that failed.
Characters that display human vulnerabilities, lapses of judgment and sometimes "crazy" behavior appeal more to me.
For those who watched Neon Genesis Evangelion, they will know of the scene where Shinji literally masturbates in the hospital over Asukas comatose body, while saying to himself how frakked up it is. The scene is disturbing, but feels very...real for the lack of a better word. Oh, I still consider NGE kinda crappy, but it was moments like those make a character really complete IMHO.
It's a pointless scene that was added for shock value.
If you really wanna get technical. NGE has so many different versions of itself, End of Eva can be seen as just another alternate story.
The Manga was different. The Rebuilds are different. Hell, even the series was different.
Hideki Anno is a hack who should be left in the 90s where he belongs. Can't believe Toho hired his stupid ass to work on the next Japanese Godzilla.
It's gonna suffer the same fate as Gamera 3 I bet.
He was the first god-like superheo who gained a lot of fame and exposure.
That cemented his position.
Had the been the third or fourth, he would have been forgotten.
Fame is in big part being in the right place at the right time. And once something becomes a big name, it draws people in by the virtue of a known name and sheer numbers. Exposure.
But hey, comic sales have been dropping over the years, and more money is made trough merchandise than actual comics these days.
You know Godzilla isn't the first Dai Kaiju film?
It's an interesting story actually,
So basically there was an unofficial King Kong film released in 1938, entitled King Kong Appears in Edo.
The film was about King Kong appearing in fedual Japan.
Unfortunately. Because the idea of saving film is something that didn't happen until much much later, the film is lost like many from that time (It's actually a depressingly high percentage. We're lucky Edisons Frankenstein from 1910 surfaced though)
The evidence the film ever existed at all were a poster that I'm too lazy to link, and confirmation from Fuminori Ôhashi, the designer of the original Godzilla suit. Who worked on the film.
This has nothing to do with your posts btw. It's 2 AM and I've had my fill talking to you.
It's a pointless scene that was added for shock value.
If you really wanna get technical. NGE has so many different versions of itself, End of Eva can be seen as just another alternate story.
The Manga was different. The Rebuilds are different. Hell, even the series was different.
I hate NGE, but even I don't think it's pointless, given that the whole point is to show the characters and just how frakked up they are.
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