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[CptFalconPunch]

Oh boy so much this!!! Reapers permanently blocked in deep space after ME1, new things to do and new enemy to face.

 

ME2 would have been as good as ME1 in my books if it didn't have the main story. 

 

Anyway, ME2 incoming. I am happy so far. Rather disturbing are the responses from people who think "it is a sidestory, it stucks end of story". Are we conversing with 12 year olds here? I though Bioware encompassed a large amount of adult gamers, yet it is kind of weird seeing this stuff left and right.

[katamuro]

I dont think that they need to forget about the whole of ME3, just modify the ending and make Destroy canon. So that instead of total death of geth and EDI there would be something less depressing. Plus make shepard wounded but not dead and write something like shepard retired to whatever choice he had made for example if Tali then Rannoch, if any human or Liara then Earth or some human colony(eden prime?)  Then set it some 100 or 200 years later when the only people left might be either Liara, Grunt or EDI.

[Pateu]

Well, Bioware should retcon Mass Effect 3, because the writing, story and ending are effing terrible.

But I doubt it will happen, and Mac Walters will simply write the next "masterpiece" for the bargain bin.

 

Please.

 

I get it if you hate the ending, but calling the story and the writing bad is just overkill.

[Remix-General Aetius]

I would welcome this. Let's just forget 2 and 3 ever happened.

 

lol far too many "stupidest post ever" candidates coming out of the woodwork at an alarming rate. you guys must really want the award.

[KaiserShep]

It turned out not to be that big a deal. Whether by design or coincidence BW has always had this uncanny ability to over correct. People didn't like the mako, they took out exploration. People didn't like the elevators, they didn't make them better, they took them out. People complained about the inventory system in ME1, they took it out for ME2.  With the backlash to the ME3 ending I doubt it will even come up in the next game, but we'll see.

 

This is true; it is a habit of theirs. I will say, however, that the system for inventory introduced in ME2 was much better than ME1's. I hated having to shuffle through all that crap. It was nice to be able to freely get loot with no worries about getting an "Inventory Full" notice, and I never really cared about changing up armor during a mission anyway.

 

I was under the impression that the game will take place before the ending anyway.

[Nohvarr]

I was under the impression that the game will take place before the ending anyway.

 

Conflicting information at this point, so who knows when it takes place.
 

[KaiserShep]

Conflicting information at this point, so who knows when it takes place.
 

 

Heh, maybe there's still hope after all.

[JonathonPR]

I would be fine with a retcon. The whole trilogy is a giant ball of alternate universes. But then again I have a feeling of revulsion every time I think of the ME3 ending and game as a sequal to The First and True Mass Effect.

[Oni Changas]

Hm...

 

[SolNebula]

lol far too many "stupidest post ever" candidates coming out of the woodwork at an alarming rate. you guys must really want the award.

 

Nah don't flatter me, i'm just a noob in your comparison

[Revan Reborn]

I just hope it's a new world same races and mass relays  but no mention of ME3's awful endings or Plot holes or Reapers and just a new PC characters  just a nice clean slate.

Double standard much? You want them to throw out essentially the entire point of the trilogy yet act like nothing happened because you didn't approve of the ending?

 

Lets be realistic. Irregardless of whether you approve of the ME3 ending or not, what happened has happened and BioWare isn't going to change that. I personally would not be happy if BioWare just started cutting and omitting elements from the previous game as it has now become part of the history and culture of the galaxy. One of the major points of a BioWare game is to see ones choices manifest overtime and how they change events and cultures over the course of history. If BioWare just created "a nice clean slate," as you suggest, we would not feel the impact or the consequence of the choices we made in the previous trilogy.

 

If I were BioWare, it would be a prerogative to make sure the choices one made as Shepard would reflect in some way, shape, or form in the next Mass Effect game. We know they are doing this in the form of the Dragon Age Keep for DAI, which is not a direct sequel like the Mass Effect trilogy. I suspect BioWare will do something similar for ME so that certain keep choices we made as Shepard will be reflected in the next Mass Effect game going forward.

[iggy4566]

Double standard much? You want them to throw out essentially the entire point of the trilogy yet act like nothing happened because you didn't approve of the ending?

 

Lets be realistic. Irregardless of whether you approve of the ME3 ending or not, what happened has happened and BioWare isn't going to change that. I personally would not be happy if BioWare just started cutting and omitting elements from the previous game as it has now become part of the history and culture of the galaxy. One of the major points of a BioWare game is to see ones choices manifest overtime and how they change events and cultures over the course of history. If BioWare just created "a nice clean slate," as you suggest, we would not feel the impact or the consequence of the choices we made in the previous trilogy.

 

If I were BioWare, it would be a prerogative to make sure the choices one made as Shepard would reflect in some way, shape, or form in the next Mass Effect game. We know they are doing this in the form of the Dragon Age Keep for DAI, which is not a direct sequel like the Mass Effect trilogy. I suspect BioWare will do something similar for ME so that certain keep choices we made as Shepard will be reflected in the next Mass Effect game going forward.

Sigh

[ZipZap2000]

Destroy canon. And I don't even like the Destroy ending not that many people did like the endings anyway but it's way too late to be worried about that at this point. Just need to move on and forget there ever was a 37 million year old, 6 year old who ruled the galaxy for 37 million years.

 

If they can make me do that and give me MP i'll be happy with it.

[Gladerunner]

If they're smart, they'll hold a poll for owners of ME3, with players voting for which choice is canon. Owning each game counts up for 3 votes.

That way, it's the players decision, while obscuring the blame to Bioware.

If they can somehow do this by analysing unique save endings, it would be easier to do.

[Gingin]

But I can't act like I never played.

[InWeirdPeril]

If they are smart, the will figure out a way to save their fanbase. By making different openings to please pretty much all of their fans and continue from there with the new Story arch. Not only would that give closure or rest to the fans and characters, but they could start with a clean slate. And seeing how "Get 60 Minutes of extra this and that" is handed out as Day one DLCs like candy these days, I doubt it would be more work than that. Especially if they stay true to their determination to leave the trilogy behind for good. There is no harm in that right?

 

It will be a tought couple of years till there are more infos out and to be honest, I for one will wait, but wont be persuaded easily to get the new game if they are going to try to take the easy way out. A short, yet compelling "nod" will go a really long way In my opinion.

 

I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who think "You abandon/betray the trilogy, then we think of the trilogy as the end of mass effect". Determination can go both ways.

[ZipZap2000]

@gladerunner they could probably get that info from xbl and psn. If they even decide to make it a sequel that is, they could go for an alternate universe yet which may do it for some people.

 

But honestly they do need to be careful people like myself will wait a week before buying to test the waters and if it sounds less than satisfactory i'll buy it second hand. But I will most likely buy it unless they do something drastic like turn it into a FPS. I do recall some footage before ME3 released of an abandoned FPS version of ME3 featuring a mako, no biotics and a modified M7(?) but I doubt they'd be that dumb.

[Oni Changas]

I'm Serious Black and I approve of this thread. Embrace the Okeer philosophy, treat it like Snake's Revenge or DBGT.

[Kabooooom]

A long time ago I predicted that Bioware would take the easy way out and make ME4 a midiquel- a side story that takes place during Shep's lifetime and/or the Reaper war.

I consider this to be a terrible idea. Literally the WORST possible thing they could do. But, predictably, it is the easiest way to incorporate a new narrative in an existing setting. I spoke out about my distaste for this idea back then.

A few weeks ago, news broke that this is EXACTLY what Bioware is considering. But I'm not worried. Why?

Because I no longer think that they are foolish enough to do it. I think they are looking forward to moving the series in a brand new direction. That to me either suggests a true sequel, or a "stranger in a strange land" scenario to avoid the ME3 endings.

Both of those scenarios I am okay with, but not a midiquel. A midiquel would be like Groundhog Day- you wake up as a new character to do the same damn thing you did before but in a different way. Even if it doesn't involve fighting the Reapers, such a setting won't be original, unique, or creative.

A "stranger in a strange land" scenario is also taking the easy way out. But at least it offers the possibility for creativity and taking the story wherever they want. It offers room for growth and expansion of the lore. A midiquel doesn't.

[PunMaster]

lol far too many "stupidest post ever" candidates coming out of the woodwork at an alarming rate. you guys must really want the award.

 

What ever happened to respecting everyone's opinion?

 

If they're smart, they'll hold a poll for owners of ME3, with players voting for which choice is canon. Owning each game counts up for 3 votes.

That way, it's the players decision, while obscuring the blame to Bioware.

If they can somehow do this by analysing unique save endings, it would be easier to do.

 

I like this idea. I mean sure, some people would be a bit annoyed if they lose, but it certainly sounds like an awesome way to involve the community some more.

[InWeirdPeril]

I think no one really thinks/believes BW wont take the easy way out and that jumping galaxies and/or stranger in a strange land is not the premise of the new game.

I think that is a safe bet. And no matter how much we write, in the end, they will only do what fits in their core concept. No matter what we say.

Even though for me, the worst scenario. If they put no effort into it.

 

But as long as there is no definitive answer people, like me, have trouble accepting it and hope/wish for something that will finally please everyone and wont let the trilogy die in vain or worse, have it play out at the same time. To me it would feel like a pointless sidequest and that I'd rather help out with the War against the Reapers and the characters I love. But, would it play shortly after the trilogy and they would actively try to mend things and go off from there with a whole new plot, characters and so on. I would be absolutly ok with that. Not only because I want to see my favorite characters one last time in a constelation I am happy with, but because a damn good portion of continuity and even more so, loveable/hateable characters is what makes or breaks the Mass Effect Universe for me. Enough so, that I can overlook "handwaving" and/or plotholes as long as they manage to wrap it up in something that will offer something everyone will enjoy. Look at Dragon Age Inquisition. They said from best to worst ending. Now that is how it is done.

 

Personally, I would buy that as a dlc, or a comic like Genesis... does not matter as long as it is based on a save import.

[Sanunes]

Mass Effect 3 did happen and frankly I am glad it has for I don't want to play Shepard anymore, I dislike the direction they took with him in Mass Effect 2.  

 

What hurt my playing experience was all the import choices that seemed to segment the game even more then how Mass Effect 2 segmented itself with all the side quests and very little main quest. For it always felt to me that the flow of the story wasn't consistent because they need to make sure the story was bland enough that if a certain squad member from a previous game died they could throw in "placeholder replacement NPC" to make sure that story still worked in the game.  The import parts I liked the most were actually the minor ones that just added flavor such as dealing with Conrad on the Citadel.

 

I might not be crazy about the ending, but I won't ask them to overhaul it or replace it because I didn't like it, nor would I do that with Assassin's Creed 3 or BioShock: Infinite which had endings I disliked as well. Heck there are plenty of television shows or movies that ended on notes I didn't like and I didn't go writing to the studio that they need to go back and film the ending again so they could have the characters end in a fashion I would like.

 

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One thing I would like to add as well, even if I had issues with Mass Effect 3, if the leaked script was really what they were planning I am more happy with this ending and story then what that mess was.

 

Another thing with the poll idea, BioWare has metric data from anyone that uploaded their data to the online servers so they probably have a very good idea on how people ended their game and wouldn't need to introduce something that could be easily corrupted.

Modifié par Sanunes, 03 septembre 2014 - 09:20 .

[InWeirdPeril]

I think most people would be happy enough if they just elaborated, maybe stuff a few plotholes, more on the endings with the new game. Send the Trilogy off with a last huzzah. And those that dont want that... well, make it optional. Not change the endings per se.

[Kabooooom]

I think most people would be happy enough if they just elaborated, maybe stuff a few plotholes, more on the endings with the new game. Send the Trilogy off with a last huzzah. And those that dont want that... well, make it optional. Not change the endings per se.

The problem with that is that it would be incredibly difficult to make a sequel that incorporated all three endings. Well, control and destroy would be easy enough, but synthesis not so much. That represents a wildly divergent state of the galaxy post-Reaper war. I really don't see a way around that, unless they take a "synthesis is inevitable" sort of route, which is itself a cop-out and would probably ****** way more people off than just ignoring the endings.

They really wrote themselves into a corner.