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[InWeirdPeril]

True, though I suppose even Synthesis is a possibility if they really jump galaxies. Then it would easily offer possibilities for a last huzzah. I mean, they could elaborate on how people are getting used to it and so on. Hell, even Refusal could be possible if pressed.

 

That is why I said they could make it optional as long as they do it, so they wont scare anyone off.

And I agree, they wrote themself into a corner, but it is fixable without upsetting anyone.

 

I mean, there is no harm in that kind of optional content right?

To bridge between the Trilogy and the new one. After all, it would have no consequences for the new Storyline (if they really jump galaxies) and would possibly please the fans a lot, while giving all the other people who want a fresh start just that.

[Sanunes]

True, though I suppose even Synthesis is a possibility if they really jump galaxies. Then it would easily offer possibilities for a last huzzah. I mean, they could elaborate on how people are getting used to it and so on. Hell, even Refusal could be possible if pressed.

 

That is why I said they could make it optional as long as they do it, so they wont scare anyone off.

And I agree, they wrote themself into a corner, but it is fixable without upsetting anyone.

 

I mean, there is no harm in that kind of optional content right?

To bridge between the Trilogy and the new one. After all, it would have no consequences for the new Storyline (if they really jump galaxies) and would possibly please the fans a lot, while giving all the other people who want a fresh start just that.

 

I can't speak for the writers for I am far from a writer as you can get, but I think a good way to handle it is if they are going to go the direct sequel route is to take the time during the opening tutorial (such as escaping Earth and maybe even the Mars content in length) to show the impact of the three different endings and how they have turn out while streamlining all three endings into a single game.  I wouldn't mind if something like that shortened the game by a couple of hours either if they can properly explain why things are the way they currently are and if its not too difficult technically swap out different character models for NPCs as needed.

 

If they take that course of action they might even be able to pull off a fourth scenario that has none of the endings involved for the people that don't like any of them.

[Farangbaa]

They're going to make 3 different games, doh

[InWeirdPeril]

I can't speak for the writers for I am far from a writer as you can get, but I think a good way to handle it is if they are going to go the direct sequel route is to take the time during the opening tutorial (such as escaping Earth and maybe even the Mars content in length) to show the impact of the three different endings and how they have turn out while streamlining all three endings into a single game.  I wouldn't mind if something like that shortened the game by a couple of hours either if they can properly explain why things are the way they currently are and if its not too difficult technically swap out different character models for NPCs as needed.

 

If they take that course of action they might even be able to pull off a fourth scenario that has none of the endings involved for the people that don't like any of them.

 

That is what I am hoping too, though I wish for specific events during the endings to be incorporated into that as well.

For example, if you chose Control, you can see the new shepalyst in one of the scenes, or if you chose Destroy, you see the actual rescue of shepard, synthesis, you can see the actual transformation happening. Stuff like that, that where missing from the original endings. Not sure if it makes sense what I am saying, but yeah... a proper bridge to the trilogy.

But then... chances are, nothing of that that will happen.

[Mcfly616]

It's a strange correlation. People wanting for BW to act like ME3 never happened.....many of them are the same ones that refuse to accept the easiest (and most seamless) way to go about achieving it: a game that takes place 'before' ME3 ever happened.

[InWeirdPeril]

Personally I think Prequels are the bane of any medium. With damn few exception. Because it makes everything that follows the events of a prequel, less likely. And if they are done so that it wont affect things that come after they are pointless.

But that is just my opinion.

[Farangbaa]

It's a strange correlation. People wanting for BW to act like ME3 never happened.....many of them are the same ones that refuse to accept the easiest (and most seamless) way to go about achieving it: a game that takes place 'before' ME3 ever happened.

 

They are just looking for excuses to fool themselves into believing there's a chance they won't buy the next ME game.

[Iakus]

It's a strange correlation. People wanting for BW to act like ME3 never happened.....many of them are the same ones that refuse to accept the easiest (and most seamless) way to go about achieving it: a game that takes place 'before' ME3 ever happened.

I'm not opposed to prequels in general.  But in this case, do you seriously think they'll go back to a purely overheat mechanic with weapons?

 

Beyond that there would still be the feeling that nothing you do in a prequel matters, ME3 will still happen.  Nothing you accomplish will actually matter.  Shepard and the galaxy are still frakked from the get-go.   

 

Now if they go a "Days of Future Past" route, where the player can screw with events that could keep the events of ME3 from unfolding in the first place, that's a different story (literally)

[Tonymac]

They are just looking for excuses to fool themselves into believing there's a chance they won't buy the next ME game.

 

Don't fool yourself on that one. I used to share your sentiment, but ME3 changed how I look at the company.  I'm not into DAI or any of the other games that Bioware makes - just the Mass Effect series.  I hang around hoping they will get it together - but if they don't straighten up then I'm never buying another Bioware product again.  I'm not pre-ordering anything from Bioware ever again for the rest of my life as it is because of ME3.  I gave into the hype once - with all of my characters leveled up to 60 in the first game, and over 40 full run-throughs for ME2 (with all DLC for both games).  I was ready to experience the Mass Effect Galaxy/Universe in full with all of my characters for the third installment.  

 

After one play-through of ME3 all of that changed.  Project shut down, all units enter permanent cryo-stasis.  They are essentially dead in order to save them the indignity of ever entering ME3.  The only DLC I got was the free stuff, I didn't get Citadel or any of the other DLCs because they don't affect the ending.  Not another penny spent, and nor shall there be another cent spent until they can prove that they are competent.  When my N7 polos fall apart they will not be replaced.  I really used to be a fan, but we both know fan is short for Fanatic.  I am no longer fanatical.  I still have my Normandy models up and my lithographs, but that is to remind me of a time when I still enjoyed the series.  Cryo-stasis, right?

 

I know I'm just one opinion in a sea of opinions.  The only thing I can do is hold my wallet.  I can and will hold it, not even trusting the game reviews because all of them are on the payroll - as was proven with the ME3 hype.  They hyped a Dogfart, and they know it.  After I see the opinions of real people / players on you-tube then I will consider getting the game.  If its questionable I'll wait until its in the bargain bin for 5 bucks just like ME3 is now.

 

Bioware cut a lot of ties with that mess.  Some people forgive and forget and move on.  I will simply move on, neither forgiving nor forgetting.  Even if they do a trilogy again, I will watch it from afar - being aloof.  That's how much damage Bioware did to their reputation as far as I am concerned.  Even if they make 2 really good games in a row you know that third one is where they want to burn you.  They burned their reputation with a hastily deployed and unpolished game - and I think that they will do it again - or at least I think they might.  I will be wary.

[ZipZap2000]

I like this days of future past idea (to an extent) but doesn't that mean alternate universe?

[Iakus]

Don't fool yourself on that one. I used to share your sentiment, but ME3 changed how I look at the company.  I'm not into DAI or any of the other games that Bioware makes - just the Mass Effect series.  I hang around hoping they will get it together - but if they don't straighten up then I'm never buying another Bioware product again.  I'm not pre-ordering anything from Bioware ever again for the rest of my life as it is because of ME3.  I gave into the hype once - with all of my characters leveled up to 60 in the first game, and over 40 full run-throughs for ME2 (with all DLC for both games).  I was ready to experience the Mass Effect Galaxy/Universe in full with all of my characters for the third installment.  

 

After one play-through of ME3 all of that changed.  Project shut down, all units enter permanent cryo-stasis.  They are essentially dead in order to save them the indignity of ever entering ME3.  The only DLC I got was the free stuff, I didn't get Citadel or any of the other DLCs because they don't affect the ending.  Not another penny spent, and nor shall there be another cent spent until they can prove that they are competent.  When my N7 polos fall apart they will not be replaced.  I really used to be a fan, but we both know fan is short for Fanatic.  I am no longer fanatical.  I still have my Normandy models up and my lithographs, but that is to remind me of a time when I still enjoyed the series.  Cryo-stasis, right?

 

I know I'm just one opinion in a sea of opinions.  The only thing I can do is hold my wallet.  I can and will hold it, not even trusting the game reviews because all of them are on the payroll - as was proven with the ME3 hype.  They hyped a Dogfart, and they know it.  After I see the opinions of real people / players on you-tube then I will consider getting the game.  If its questionable I'll wait until its in the bargain bin for 5 bucks just like ME3 is now.

 

Bioware cut a lot of ties with that mess.  Some people forgive and forget and move on.  I will simply move on, neither forgiving nor forgetting.  Even if they do a trilogy again, I will watch it from afar - being aloof.  That's how much damage Bioware did to their reputation as far as I am concerned.  Even if they make 2 really good games in a row you know that third one is where they want to burn you.  They burned their reputation with a hastily deployed and unpolished game - and I think that they will do it again - or at least I think they might.  I will be wary.

I only ever imported one Shepard from ME2 as well.  And didn't touch any of the DLC until MEHEM was released.  So in that respect, Bioware should be grateful, as that player-made mod made them money.

 

So yeah, unless MENext lets me ignore/disavow ME3, I'm passing on it.

[Iakus]

I like this days of future past idea (to an extent) but doesn't that mean alternate universe?

 

Divergent universe, sure.  

 

Or maybe it's string theory, I dunno.  Not opposed to AU either.

[SNascimento]

Mass Effect 3 was a great game in itself. But it should hae been developed longer and it certainly could end the trilogy better. 

[Cknarf]

At the beginning of the next Mass Effect:

"What color did Shepard choose?"

-Blue

-Green

-Red

There.

If you choose Blue, you don't get to fight any enemies, because super reaper Shepard kills them all for you.

If you choose Green, the credits immediately roll, because everyone's a peaceful organic-synthetic space hippie, and there's nothing to fight about.

If you choose Red, you actually get to play the game as it was intended.

[RiptideX1090]

If Bioware is smart, they won't take the easy way out and will instead let us live with the consequences of our choices from the Shepard trilogy, at at the very least the choices made in the ending.

[Zana]

Unfortunately, you have to consider how different the galaxy is considering the choice.  At this point, ME trilogy has too much baggage.  Too many variables even before the ending of ME3, and the state of the galaxy is so different between the four endings (5 really, P/R Control are very different), that you'd need a completely different game to describe it.  So only choices are to either make a set ending (people will complain), take it so far in the future that it doesn't matter (people will complain and will make no sense as the ME universe would be unrecognizable due to technological advances), or make it in a part of the universe removed (likely spatially, although AU is possible) from the Shepard and Co., which would make the game completely unbound by Reaper threat and they can make the core of the game colony building/exploration, which is what I think most people would enjoy.  A fresh start with very few ties in to the issues of the previous games and world untouched (mostly) by the decisions made in the trilogy, yet set in the same universe in terms of technology and core races.

 

With regards to the lore, people mentioned that the trilogy is very inconsistent on it.  The biggest issue is that unlike ME2, in ME3 Bioware waited to take the hammer to the lore until the very last possible second, which doesn't go well. 

[InWeirdPeril]

I only ever imported one Shepard from ME2 as well.  And didn't touch any of the DLC until MEHEM was released.  So in that respect, Bioware should be grateful, as that player-made mod made them money.

 

So yeah, unless MENext lets me ignore/disavow ME3, I'm passing on it.

You may be one of the lucky ones. I just re-read most of the statements they did so far about the new game. What shattered my hopes, might just spark yours. There is enough information in those statements so far, that it will be reduced to "Yeah, there was a reaper war and we won". That's it.

 

I only go by what they stated so far mind you.

What I got from there is:

 

1.) Jumping Galaxies

2.) Far into the future

3.) Only referencing events, never characters. (Which was also critizied in DA2 if I remember correctly)

 

whith 2 and 3 pretty much eliminating everything I had hoped for to make things right with everyone. I know nothing of that is final, but since over 2 years have passed by now, I would imagine the story is mostly done. At least that is my guess and it makes me pretty sad. But hey, here is to hoping that by the time they make things official I got over it and made my peace with it. Then at least I could, in theory, pass on the new ME. Till then, if they actually go with a bit of shepard and crew cameo in regards to the chosen ending... they have me again. I still love the Trilogy. With flaws and all. The only thing, I just can't get over are the messed up endings. I know that topic has been done to death, but... it's just how I feel. I also know, one more customer wont make any difference but voicing opinions helps to deal with it(And I am not ashamed that the ride was damn emotional ^^). They have a chance to redeem themselfs in my eyes. But they just wont care.

 

On a different note, man... I hope that for some reason PlayArts will release a Liara Figure at some point. The only character left that I really want standing next to my Femshep, Garrus and Tali.

[Zana]

You may be one of the lucky ones. I just re-read most of the statements they did so far about the new game. What shattered my hopes, might just spark yours. There is enough information in those statements so far, that it will be reduced to "Yeah, there was a reaper war and we won". That's it.

 

I only go by what they stated so far mind you.

What I got from there is:

 

1.) Jumping Galaxies

2.) Far into the future

3.) Only referencing events, never characters. (Which was also critizied in DA2 if I remember correctly)

 

whith 2 and 3 pretty much eliminating everything I had hoped for to make things right with everyone. I know nothing of that is final, but since over 2 years have passed by now, I would imagine the story is mostly done. At least that is my guess and it makes me pretty sad. But hey, here is to hoping that by the time they make things official I got over it and made my peace with it. Then at least I could, in theory, pass on the new ME. Till then, if they actually go with a bit of shepard and crew cameo in regards to the chosen ending... they have me again. I still love the Trilogy. With flaws and all. The only thing, I just can't get over are the messed up endings. I know that topic has been done to death, but... it's just how I feel. I also know, one more customer wont make any difference but voicing opinions helps to deal with it(And I am not ashamed that the ride was damn emotional ^^). They have a chance to redeem themselfs in my eyes. But they just wont care.

 

On a different note, man... I hope that for some reason PlayArts will release a Liara Figure at some point. The only character left that I really want standing next to my Femshep, Garrus and Tali.

Er, ok, I must be out of the loop.  I would love to see a link to those statements regarding MENext.  If true, then...well I don't know.  I will be even more worried about it, as that just seems like an awful choice.  Too many loose ends and too much technological advancement for my tastes.

[InWeirdPeril]

Sure thing.

 

http://www.theepocht...pments-in-2014/

http://www.eurogamer...-we-know-so-far

 

Info comes from Yanick Roy.

 

Edit: If someone can dispute this as fake or made up. Heavens, speak up!

[Iakus]

You may be one of the lucky ones. I just re-read most of the statements they did so far about the new game. What shattered my hopes, might just spark yours. There is enough information in those statements so far, that it will be reduced to "Yeah, there was a reaper war and we won". That's it.

 

I only go by what they stated so far mind you.

What I got from there is:

 

1.) Jumping Galaxies

2.) Far into the future

3.) Only referencing events, never characters. (Which was also critizied in DA2 if I remember correctly)

 

whith 2 and 3 pretty much eliminating everything I had hoped for to make things right with everyone. I know nothing of that is final, but since over 2 years have passed by now, I would imagine the story is mostly done. At least that is my guess and it makes me pretty sad. But hey, here is to hoping that by the time they make things official I got over it and made my peace with it. Then at least I could, in theory, pass on the new ME. Till then, if they actually go with a bit of shepard and crew cameo in regards to the chosen ending... they have me again. I still love the Trilogy. With flaws and all. The only thing, I just can't get over are the messed up endings. I know that topic has been done to death, but... it's just how I feel. I also know, one more customer wont make any difference but voicing opinions helps to deal with it(And I am not ashamed that the ride was damn emotional ^^). They have a chance to redeem themselfs in my eyes. But they just wont care.

 

On a different note, man... I hope that for some reason PlayArts will release a Liara Figure at some point. The only character left that I really want standing next to my Femshep, Garrus and Tali.

1 would be chickening out.  A tacit admission that they ireparably frakked up the galaxy so bad they have to move on to somewhere else.

2) would, imo be silly.  Moving so far into the future would render the galaxy unrecognizable, not to mention trying to have their cake and eat it too by trivializing the chocies of the trilogy even further.

 

3 as far as I'm concerned, is the only real hope. (though DA2 did have cameos from some characters.  Though most of those were rather pointless "Hi!  See, we imported your world-state!")  Frankly, I'd be happy with no cameos, and no mentions at all.  Certainly no references to Shepard's death or a synthetic holocaust.  I want no ending chosen.  Nothing canon.  No imports.  No Shepard.  No Reapers.  No High, Medium or Low EMS question.  No Red, Green, or Blue queston.

[Iakus]

Sure thing.

 

http://www.theepocht...pments-in-2014/

http://www.eurogamer...-we-know-so-far

 

Info comes from Yanick Roy.

 

Edit: If someone can dispute this as fake or made up. Heavens, speak up!

All I see in those links are hints that it will be a sequel, and it will take place in a different region of space.  Nothing on when exactly it is set, how big an impact the trilogy will have, or another galaxy.

[Vazgen]

1 would be chickening out.  A tacit admission that they ireparably frakked up the galaxy so bad they have to move on to somewhere else.

2) would, imo be silly.  Moving so far into the future would render the galaxy unrecognizable, not to mention trying to have their cake and eat it too by trivializing the chocies of the trilogy even further.

 

3 as far as I'm concerned, is the only real hope. (though DA2 did have cameos from some characters.  Though most of those were rather pointless "Hi!  See, we imported your world-state!")  Frankly, I'd be happy with no cameos, and no mentions at all.  Certainly no references to Shepard's death or a synthetic holocaust.  I want no ending chosen.  Nothing canon.  No imports.  No Shepard.  No Reapers.  No High, Medium or Low EMS question.  No Red, Green, or Blue queston.

 

Technically they can do that with new ME being set in "a completely different region of space". I have no idea how will they go about the endings, unless they will have relays not connected to the net in previous games. But in that case I have no idea how they will implement the same races.

Time travel idea doesn't appeal to me, it may work in medieval fantasy setting but will not fit in sci-fi universe IMO.

[Iakus]

Technically they can do that with new ME being set in "a completely different region of space". I have no idea how will they go about the endings, unless they will have relays not connected to the net in previous games. But in that case I have no idea how they will implement the same races.

Time travel idea doesn't appeal to me, it may work in medieval fantasy setting but will not fit in sci-fi universe IMO.

If it's set in the same galaxy, they will have to deal with the endings, as it's pretty clear the effect went beyond the relay network.

[Zana]

Sure thing.

 

http://www.theepocht...pments-in-2014/

http://www.eurogamer...-we-know-so-far

 

Info comes from Yanick Roy.

 

Edit: If someone can dispute this as fake or made up. Heavens, speak up!

While the WW1-WW2 analogy and implication that choices made in trilogy would be mentioned are used, this does not necessarily exclude the possibility of colonization force departing known galaxy during the Reaper invasion.  This would allow the colonists to have the knowledge of events that occured in the trilogy, be a 'sequel' and yet not be too technologically different from originial trilogy.  Besides, they would likely travel in stasis, so no development while on board.  Obviously this would be a top secret project to make sure Reapers do not learn of it even if they take over the known space, which would explain why Shepard never learns of it.

 

Or at least I'll keep hoping for it.  Then again, I am still hoping (not really, more like dreaming) that they'd remake the entire trilogy cleaning up the lore disparity, bringing up gameplay to the level of ME3 and fixing ME3s endings.  Yeah, I know, I am a dreamer. 

[InWeirdPeril]

Like I said, it's only what I read from the statements. I might be completly off with my guesses.

WW1 and WW2 analogy suggest that it is set in the future. But then, he says it is a bad analogy.

 

But, For me the worst would be that it would happen within the trilogies time frame (or being ignored completly), that the endings are not referenced (at least make it optional) at all and depending on the ending, characters (especially shepard, still loving the character) wont get a cameo of some kind.

Maybe in a year or so, we get something more concrete, but I doubt it will be any of the things I wish for. Especially after reading the statements.

 

I wonder though if infos become available, if any of us will have actually called it... huh. Will be interesting to see.