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[Farangbaa]

Refuse is the best.

 

Have some humans, Asari, Salarians, Krogan, etc, be frozen in some bunker and awake after the harvest is finished.

[Farangbaa]

It is confirmed to be a sequel.

 

No.

[N-Sign]

Honestly, I just don't get the hate for Mass Effect 3's storyline. Apart from the ending being bittersweet at best, it's a freaking masterpiece the entire rest of the way through. The Destroy ending is looking like it's being groomed to be the canon ending, and there's only one really big thing I disliked about it (the fate of the Geth) - but that can be retconned or written around, just like when they changed the mass relays from "totally destroyed" to "badly damaged". Think about it, if the mass relays were not destroyed, perhaps the Geth survived as well in some form.

I really felt like they were pushing Synthesis as the canon ending, since it has no stated drawbacks.

 

The story is good, but the ending flies in the face of everything we have been working towards and has nearly no build up.

 

We've been over this before. Even if Geth-Guarian peace is eternal, it does not disprove the Catalyst's statement.

 

All organics will create synthetics.

 

Keyword here is all. It doesn't matter if the Geth and Quarians hug each other now. Sometime somewhere someone will create AI again and **** starts again.

All instances of AI in the game, every single one of them, at least kills it's (direct) creators (or 99% of them) up to and including the Catalyst. It's not as if the conflict is pulled out of thin air in the last few minutes of the game. If you think that's so, you haven't been paying attention (an IT favourite, I know ). 

Paragon Shepard doesn't care when someone tells him something is inevitable.  He puts his faith in people's abilities to work past mistakes they have made, giving them the option to learn.  Everyone thinks curing the genophage is a bad plan, but a purely Paragon Shepard puts his faith in their ability to control themselves and that they have learned their lesson.  He acknowledges that mistakes will be made, but people would ultimately be stronger for them and that instantly solving it by forced a galactic singularity is a complete destruction of everyone's freedom.

[The Twilight God]

Here's a random thought, let's say the next game takes place in the 'not too distant future,'  Who's to say they don't set the direction of the game based off of a questionnaire like they did in the beginning of ME3 when asked 'who died: Kaiden or Ashley?' 
They could ask about what ending did you choose,who did you choose; Geth, Quarians, or both?  Did you get Krogans Genophage or no?
 
Various things to help create the experience in the next game.

Such variations are too large and plentiful for a questionnaire. They aren't going to make a fully fleshed out game for each set of choices. Because if one says Quarians are all dead and Geth are alive then regardless both species will be relegates to a shitty side story and have no importance and minimal visibility. It would make the decisions ultimately pointless anyway. Like letting the Rachni Queen live or not. It doesn't really matter. All the Rachni amount after that particular ME3 mission to is some text in an email and a numerical amount added to the EMS score. Besides, this is the first game in a completely new story. There will be no imported save type stuff.

[Tonymac]

Refuse is the best.

 

Have some humans, Asari, Salarians, Krogan, etc, be frozen in some bunker and awake after the harvest is finished.

 

 

You know, I actually dig this.

[GimmeDaGun]

You know, I actually dig this.

 

It would definitely make an interesting dark-sci-fi story. That's for sure. I'd be up for it. Or for a low ems destroy ending too. 

[Farangbaa]

Downside is you fight the Reapers again

And you'd spend 90% of the game convincing people they exist

[Tonymac]

Downside is you fight the Reapers again

And you'd spend 90% of the game convincing people they exist

I got 50,000 years before this is an issue.

[Farangbaa]

I got 50,000 years before this is an issue.

Well if you awake immediately after then yes. You'd also be the only spacefaring beings, making convincing easy

[Tonymac]

Well if you awake immediately after then yes. You'd also be the only spacefaring beings, making convincing easy

 

We would be playing the role of Javik's group had they survived.

[KaiserShep]

We've been over this before. Even if Geth-Guarian peace is eternal, it does not disprove the Catalyst's statement.

 

All organics will create synthetics.

 

Keyword here is all. It doesn't matter if the Geth and Quarians hug each other now. Sometime somewhere someone will create AI again and **** starts again.

All instances of AI in the game, every single one of them, at least kills it's (direct) creators (or 99% of them) up to and including the Catalyst. It's not as if the conflict is pulled out of thin air in the last few minutes of the game. If you think that's so, you haven't been paying attention (an IT favourite, I know ). There's a reason the creation of the Geth by the Quarians was illegal. The galaxy knew of this conflict, just like we in real life are aware of it's dangers. and have been talking about it for a century in academic circles.

 

It basically comes down to whether or not one is willing to take the Catalyst's prediction on faith. After all, the Catalyst isn't infallible. In all probability, it could be wrong about the current cycle. It could fail to anticipate any number of variables, of which there are probably countless that can elude even billions of years of observation. It doesn't matter how much it's observed, how much it's seen or done or heard or watched on trillions of TV channels. It could still be dead wrong about a lot of things.

 

Or...

 

The conflict could happen thousands of years from that point, provided the current races aren't busy warring with some other organic enemy, which is something they apparently love to do, in which case there is a veritable cornucopia of fraks that I fail to give.

[ZipZap2000]

"@thetwilightgod It is confirmed to be a sequel"

 

At this point all we have confirmed is there will be Humans and Krogan at least one smashed up planet and a Mako. That's pretty much the gist of it.

[InWeirdPeril]

This is too depressing and frustrating to continue to read.

 

So far, not a single scenario has come up that would make sense for BW to pursue.

Reboot = Will antagonize enough fans

Ignoring the Trilogy = Will antagonize enough fans

Prequel = Will antagonize enough fans

Sequel = Will antagonize a few fans

Sidequel = Will antagonize pretty much most fans

 

Not referencing the trilogy = Will antagonize enough fans

Referencing the Trilogy vaguely = Will antagonize enough fans

Referencing the Trilogy in detail = Will antagonize a few fans

 

Canonizing endings = Will antagonize enough fans

High EMS Destroy = Will antagonize a few fans

Low EMS Destroy = Will antagonize pretty much most fans

Control = Will antagonize enough fans

Synthesis = Will antagonize enough fans

 

Removing Races = Will antagonize enough fans

Leaving Races in = Will antagonize enough fans

 

Save Imports = Will antagonize a few fans

No Save Imports = Will antagonize enough fans

 

This is friggin ridiculous. No matter how you spin it.

 

Even though there are two obvious options to remedy all of that. One of them being completely nuts.

1.) Fix the friggin endings with a remastered Trilogy release. <- this being the most obvious and easiest one (And yes, I think Hudsons departure could be a clue towards that).

2.) Make it a sequel where the hero travels back in time (Hello, prequel) because of reasons and he has to alter the endings in the way you would do in 1.).

 

But for both of them, BW (I may be pointing at Walters right now, if you look close enough) has to swallow their friggin pride, admit a mistake (for which if fixed, probably no one would blame him after that but would hold in high regard). Do not underestimate fans again and forget about them just to focus on new players.

 

I loved the trilogy and still do. And yes, that includes the 3rd one too (With the exception of the endings) and while this may sound petty and overly attached, I do not wish to play in a ME Universe (Universe > Galaxy) where the characters I loved from the get go have either no influence, wont be acknowledged, never existed or are all but forgotten and abandoned. While that does not mean I want to play as Shepard again, I want more of them as cameos or at least a lengthy story bit. All of them that survived (Yeah yeah, high EMS Destroy, Shep did survive! Deal with it.). Yep, being selfish here. Others can do it, so can I (even though I am not opposed to a solution that everybody could be happy with.) Again, Deal with it.

 

Guess what, I have my own version of "artistic integrity" and that is not getting fooled more than once by artistic integrity. I'd rather end my Mass Effect Experience on that emotional low blow than to start a new area of ME games with an even worse one. Where all that I loved about the Trilogy is only a foot note, irrelevant, abandoned, rebooted or otherwise tortured.

 

I am just a single fan of Mass Effect, and my voice does not count for ****. Nor does the 70+ Bucks I would happily spend on the game and even merch. I am not insane enough to actually think that. But hearing something like "We think this is the best course of action" or "We think this is the best direction we could go, both for new and old fans" one more time while screwing us over... Yep, that will be enough to at least loose one, so far, loyal fan. And that is not someone who tries to fool themselves into not buying the game. That is exactly how I feel and will act. I have done it before and will do it again if need be. And quite frankly I am of the opinion if they can't fix it, and I do really mean FIX it, they should not make another ME game what-so-ever and leave the Trilogy as it is. No reboot, no pre/side/mid/whatever-quel. But stop making ME games.

 

How's that for an honest, somewhat frustrated, personal opinion(or view on the current state of the ME Universe)?

The only thing that keeps me from turning my back already is that little bit of hope left that I have that BW can come up with a way to please most of us.

[XCopperCrowX]

I think we all just need to take a break from the subject

and come back to it once more information starts pouring out...

[Farangbaa]

*super snip*

 

Agreed. It's hilarious though.

 

All those people who demand things and act like they're the spokesperson for the Mass Effect community. Using phrases like "the fans want x". Always cracks me up

[InWeirdPeril]

Good thing I don't write "all fans" in those posts then but instead "personal opinion" and "enough/few/probably/" and so on. Or at least try to...

Dealing in absolutes is unhealthy and invites trolling. Oh... right.

[Vazgen]

I'll color code my opinions - Agreed and Disagreed 

 

Reboot = Will antagonize enough fans

Ignoring the Trilogy = Will antagonize enough fans

Prequel = Will antagonize enough fans

Sequel = Will antagonize a few fans

Sidequel = Will antagonize pretty much most fans

 

Not referencing the trilogy = Will antagonize enough fans

Referencing the Trilogy vaguely = Will antagonize enough fans

Referencing the Trilogy in detail = Will antagonize a few fans

 

Canonizing endings = Will antagonize enough fans

High EMS Destroy = Will antagonize a few fans

Low EMS Destroy = Will antagonize pretty much most fans

Control = Will antagonize enough fans

Synthesis = Will antagonize enough fans

 

Removing Races = Will antagonize enough fans

Leaving Races in = Will antagonize enough fans

Save Imports = Will antagonize a few fans

No Save Imports = Will antagonize enough fans

 

I think that the "few fans" in Save Imports, Sequel and Referencing the Trilogy in detail will be in a minority and many of them will get over it and play the game anyway. I also think that referencing the Trilogy vaguely also falls in that "few fans" category. And if they find a way to implement all endings, will it be so disappointing to you (I see that option as Canonizing Endings)?

[Iakus]

This is too depressing and frustrating to continue to read.

 

Yup, and that was a very good summary of how badly they managed to paint themselves into a corner, both with the story and with their fans.

[BassStyles]

Dealing in absolutes is unhealthy and invites trolling.

It also makes you a Sith.

[InWeirdPeril]

I think that the "few fans" in Save Imports, Sequel and Referencing the Trilogy in detail will be in a minority and many of them will get over it and play the game anyway. I also think that referencing the Trilogy vaguely also falls in that "few fans" category. And if they find a way to implement all endings, will it be so disappointing to you (I see that option as Canonizing Endings)?

 

I am not against a compromise (and I can't stress this enough, if done right). And to be honest, I kind of forgot the option that they will find a way to implement the endings. My bad. That should be in there too. I would guess that would antagonize a few fans, if done right.

 

Vaguely referencing the events of the trilogy is fine by me. But vaguely referencing, not cameo-ing, ignoring, etc.. the characters just wont cut it.

That will be a deal breaker. For me at least.

 

And while I rarely agree with Iakus, sorry ^^, after reading a while here (and what they teased so far), I lost pretty much all faith in any of that happening.

 

Disclaimer: These are are just my personal thoughts on the matter.

[Vazgen]

The only thing I've heard about new Mass Effect that felt negative to me was N7 connection. I would really not want to play another military character. There is not enough info to speculate though, they can go both ways from what we know I'm willing to give them a chance, and I think by 2015/2016 when they'll release the game we will all want new adventures in ME universe

[InWeirdPeril]

I know things will ease up a bit once they give us some more definite information. But I will stick to what I said about my deal breakers.

And for the release... I am guessing 11.2016 at the earliest. New info, next summer. Not before that.